Click 150i = Pros / Cons ?

[Farangwithaplan]

23 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No simple resistor - I am in the process of developing an "intelligent" circuit with Arduino. If you are interested send me a PM.

Will send a PM, too. I have started playing with 8266 module lately.. Your project sounds interesting.

 

[digger70]

On 7/10/2019 at 6:06 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess I = Injection = No carburetor.

That is fine if all works fine but you won't be able to change any settings which are easy to change on a bike with carburetor.

So if you consider changing anything like a different exhaust, etc. that might be a lot easier on a carburetor bike.

 

I have a modern bike with computer controlled injection, ignition, etc. And it works according to the newest emission standards.

And it runs not smooth below 4,000RPM. And I can't do anything about it and the dealer's mechanics can't do anything about it because it's all in a sealed computer.

I could buy an aftermarket part for 300USD to solve this problem. I won't...

The dealers mechanics wouldn't know what to do, one can always plug in to the computer and change the settings thats how they can Tune the engine to aftermarket settings.

[Tony125]

On 7/10/2019 at 8:15 PM, jackdd said:

The PCX does not have ABS.

Yes it does !  Google it : 2019 Honda PCX150/ABS. ... To us, the Honda PCX150 is a modern-lookingscooter with a liquid-cooled 149cc four-stroke engine, a V-belt automatic transmission, and a handy combined braking system (with optional ABS)

[thailand49]

I started with a Click never thought I would buy a PCX, first one was 2012 still have it 90,000 still runs like new.

This is important to me never noticed it under until I got a PCX, and once I did I would never go back to anything design like the Click even if it is a 150cc, the reason.

You noticed the Click design there is a drop middle it is great if you carry stuff all the time that drop front makes the stirring very light as it the front is floating. The PCX just more expensive also 150cc, the middle to the front is heavier maybe due to the gas tank at higher speeds it feels secure on the road even at 100 plus don't get me wrong I rarely do that speed. I have no problem getting through traffic do so just like I was on the Click.

[jackdd]

57 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

Yes it does !  Google it : 2019 Honda PCX150/ABS. ... To us, the Honda PCX150 is a modern-lookingscooter with a liquid-cooled 149cc four-stroke engine, a V-belt automatic transmission, and a handy combined braking system (with optional ABS)

Not in Thailand.

This forum section here is titled "Motorcycles in Thailand" in case you haven't noticed.

[kwak250]

I still reckon a skinny school lad on a click 125i would be quicker than us salad dodgers on a 150i

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, digger70 said:

The dealers mechanics wouldn't know what to do, one can always plug in to the computer and change the settings thats how they can Tune the engine to aftermarket settings.

That's exactly my point. For some bikes that is possible. But for other bike, like i.e. my bike, it's not.

There are specialist forums all over the internet about this. Believe me, I looked at most of them...

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, Farangwithaplan said:

Will send a PM, too. I have started playing with 8266 module lately.. Your project sounds interesting.

Sure, go ahead.

I received my first ESP32 (with build in CAN-bus logic) a few days ago. Time to play around and discover the possibilities.

[nahkit]

I've had a 150i click for almost a year now and whilst I quite like it, I'm not sure I would buy another one. I find it fun to ride but I'm not sure about the overall quality. To me it has a plastic feel to it and within the first three months I had rust showing on one of the bolts and the area around the on/off dial became scratched and worn looking very quickly. I think I've only ever managed to get the seat to close about three times in the year that I've had it and the wife absolutely refuses to use it as she can't get used to the remote fob system. She's not alone in this, twice I've loaned the bike to friends to pop down the shops having shown them how to use the remote only to get a phone call to say they can't get it to start again.

 

I've had a couple of rides on the Aerox 155 and to me that feels more sturdy and is noticeably quicker when accelerating. If I was in the market for a new bike then I think I would chose the 155 Aerox over the 150i Click.

[ktm jeff]

1 hour ago, nahkit said:

I've had a 150i click for almost a year now and whilst I quite like it, I'm not sure I would buy another one. I find it fun to ride but I'm not sure about the overall quality. To me it has a plastic feel to it and within the first three months I had rust showing on one of the bolts and the area around the on/off dial became scratched and worn looking very quickly. I think I've only ever managed to get the seat to close about three times in the year that I've had it and the wife absolutely refuses to use it as she can't get used to the remote fob system. She's not alone in this, twice I've loaned the bike to friends to pop down the shops having shown them how to use the remote only to get a phone call to say they can't get it to start again.

 

I've had a couple of rides on the Aerox 155 and to me that feels more sturdy and is noticeably quicker when accelerating. If I was in the market for a new bike then I think I would chose the 155 Aerox over the 150i Click.

As thailand49 has noticed , because of the poor design and build quality of the Honda Click , they bend in the middle. This is why you cant always shut your seat , the catch wont line up. This also contributes to the poor handling.  With their better design and build quality , and quality suspension , the Yamaha is a much safer bike. You cam also have the Aerox with a true ABS system , unlike the awful CBS system of Honda. And ABS is not available on the PCX. With Yamahas holding their re-sale value better than Honda , and often being cheaper to buy in the first place , its a no brainer.

[scubascuba3]

i have a 125 click. but i like the wider tires on the 150. can't stand that pumpkin color. the key less thing is cool. very hard to get your key lined up in a 125 at night. 
but my 125 is super light and easy to maneuver. zero problems in five years.
it was so inexpensive new i am not worried too much about it getting stolen and held hostage.

I also have the 125i Click and very happy with it, easily fast enough. Main/only benefit of the 150 is a better selection of colours

[digger70]

20 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That's exactly my point. For some bikes that is possible. But for other bike, like i.e. my bike, it's not.

There are specialist forums all over the internet about this. Believe me, I looked at most of them...

So how are they suppose to Tune if the bike develops a problem? put an new computer in the bike, Nah

[JimmyTheMook]

On 7/12/2019 at 4:22 PM, alx123 said:

Kinda weird when your'e asking for inputs on your decision and then proceed trash other bike models. 

 

Looks like you've already made up your mind on it, why bother asking around?

 

Iv'e owned 2 Yamahas before, and currently owns a Honda. I believe Yams are above the Honda when it comes to ride feel and quality. But it's my own opinion based on my exp with both bikes only. 

 

I'll take the Aerox with ABS against the click 150i all the time. Bigger tires, abs brakes, a little bit more weigh, etc. But again, just my personal preference here..

 

Don't want a Yamaha comparison = Honda Fanboi

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, digger70 said:

So how are they suppose to Tune if the bike develops a problem? put an new computer in the bike, Nah

Bike in original condition: Use the original ECU. If it does not work maybe update or "reinstall" the existing original firmware and software. I had one of those updates on my bike. The technician connects a cable, presses a couple of buttons and waits until it's done. There is nothing to adjust.

 

Bike with not standard parts: Use a complete different ECU or use additional electronic which manipulates the sensor data so that the original ECU changes the output. I.e. manipulate the input air temperature sensor to change the fuel/air ratio, etc. All these solutions are expensive and with most of them the bike has no warranty anymore.

[Henryford]

On 7/13/2019 at 1:02 PM, nahkit said:

I've had a 150i click for almost a year now and whilst I quite like it, I'm not sure I would buy another one. I find it fun to ride but I'm not sure about the overall quality. To me it has a plastic feel to it and within the first three months I had rust showing on one of the bolts and the area around the on/off dial became scratched and worn looking very quickly. I think I've only ever managed to get the seat to close about three times in the year that I've had it and the wife absolutely refuses to use it as she can't get used to the remote fob system. She's not alone in this, twice I've loaned the bike to friends to pop down the shops having shown them how to use the remote only to get a phone call to say they can't get it to start again.

 

I've had a couple of rides on the Aerox 155 and to me that feels more sturdy and is noticeably quicker when accelerating. If I was in the market for a new bike then I think I would chose the 155 Aerox over the 150i Click. 

Thanks, just proves my point on #16. I have always thought Hondas seen cheap and plasticy compared to Yamahas. I also would not have one of those remote keys thingies. I can't see the point. You still have to carry a key and turn the dial on the bike. Why not just use a key? Plus they are almost guaranteed to fail at some point. And if you lose the remote you are stuffed.

[thaiguzzi]

On 7/13/2019 at 6:57 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Bike in original condition: Use the original ECU. If it does not work maybe update or "reinstall" the existing original firmware and software. I had one of those updates on my bike. The technician connects a cable, presses a couple of buttons and waits until it's done. There is nothing to adjust.

 

Bike with not standard parts: Use a complete different ECU or use additional electronic which manipulates the sensor data so that the original ECU changes the output. I.e. manipulate the input air temperature sensor to change the fuel/air ratio, etc. All these solutions are expensive and with most of them the bike has no warranty anymore.

Tried and tested PC V.

(Power Commander 5).

399$ plus shipping.

[alx123]

On 7/13/2019 at 6:39 PM, JimmyTheMook said:

 

Don't want a Yamaha comparison = Honda Fanboi

 

you didnt say you didnt want a Yamaha, you instead said "yamaha's are trash" but okay your'e not a fanboi

 

 

[JimmyTheMook]

7 hours ago, alx123 said:

 

 

Yeah coz Yamaha are trash compared to Honda.

[ktm jeff]

23 hours ago, JimmyTheMook said:

 

Yeah coz Yamaha are trash compared to Honda.

And herein lies your problem.  You need to get out more , and take a honest look at the Yamahas.

[alx123]

Hey guys, So I want to buy a Click any thoughts? Btw, Yamaha's are trash

 

Imagine trolling your own thread ????

[ktm jeff]

6 hours ago, alx123 said:

Hey guys, So I want to buy a Click any thoughts? Btw, Yamaha's are trash

 

Imagine trolling your own thread ????

My thoughts are , the Honda will serve your needs very well for a number of years. It wont be your biggest  financial disaster. You will be fine on it for years.  ABS will improve your chances.  However , I believe , as do many within the motor industry , that Yamaha build quality and value overtook Honda around 6/8 years ago.  

[JimmyTheMook]

6 hours ago, alx123 said:

Hey guys, So I want to buy a Click any thoughts? Btw, Yamaha's are trash

 

Imagine trolling your own thread ????

 

Title would have read Honda or Yamaha......

 

But it did not because = Yamaha are trash.

 

 

[brokenbone]

25cc at this small an engine does a great difference,

definitely worth it. also try ride yamaha 150cc, it was a pleasant drive

[scubascuba3]

25cc at this small an engine does a great difference,
definitely worth it. also try ride yamaha 150cc, it was a pleasant drive

A difference that most people don't need

[MatteoBassini]

On 7/10/2019 at 6:06 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess I = Injection = No carburetor.

That is fine if all works fine but you won't be able to change any settings which are easy to change on a bike with carburetor.

So if you consider changing anything like a different exhaust, etc. that might be a lot easier on a carburetor bike.

There's seriously NOTHING good about a vehicle having a carburetor. You can change the mapping of a fuel injected bike, which is a million times more accurate than a carburetor.

 

I rode a CBR150 with a carburetor for 3 years and I will never go back.

[BritManToo]

Just noticed another con ..... no kickstart.

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, MatteoBassini said:

There's seriously NOTHING good about a vehicle having a carburetor. You can change the mapping of a fuel injected bike, which is a million times more accurate than a carburetor.

 

I rode a CBR150 with a carburetor for 3 years and I will never go back.

Say that after the world suffers a mass coronal ejection.

You'll be crying for carbs then.

[OneMoreFarang]

21 minutes ago, MatteoBassini said:

There's seriously NOTHING good about a vehicle having a carburetor. You can change the mapping of a fuel injected bike, which is a million times more accurate than a carburetor.

 

I rode a CBR150 with a carburetor for 3 years and I will never go back.

I don't know if I should think it's funny or ignorant if some people think NOTHING is good about a carburetor.

How about if you are somewhere up country in Nakhon Nowhere and your bike does not work anymore. How high is the chance that you will find a mechanic (or should I say electronic specialist) who can even check the injection - before he can even think about repairing it.

A carburetor has a few mechanical parts which can be checked, cleaned and fixed within an hour or so. NOTHING?

 

And about my bike: Yes, in theory it's possible to change the mapping. The problem is someone has to access the mapping. And on some bikes, including my bike, nobody found a hack to do this until now. If you browse the internet you will find some entries about hacking and changing the mapping for some bikes including some KTM. But the Duke 390 is not in that list. Maybe I should contact the factory in Austria. Do you think they will change it for me?

[OneMoreFarang]

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Just noticed another con ..... no kickstart.

I guess, but I am not sure, that that is in a way related to the electronic injection.

If a bike needs a working battery to put fuel into the cylinder then it won't work with a bad battery.

So a kick starter or pushing won't get a bike with electronic injection going. It needs electricity!

(The spark plug is often independent from the battery)

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess, but I am not sure, that that is in a way related to the electronic injection.

If a bike needs a working battery to put fuel into the cylinder then it won't work with a bad battery.

So a kick starter or pushing won't get a bike with electronic injection going. It needs electricity!

(The spark plug is often independent from the battery)

My Click 125i has a kickstart, and my kids wave 110i only had a kickstart.