Popular Post CG1 Blue Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, cleopatra2 said: You do realise that it was D. Raab who negotiated the WA Then subsequently resigned because he did not like what he agreed. Raab was Brexit Secretary for just 4 months before he resigned. He quickly realised May and Robins were running the show. It was not Raab's WA. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, JulesMad said: Leaveland and Remainia: Is this from Game of Thrones? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said: Totally agree. As a kid in the 70s I distinctly remember all the neighbours talking about how amazing it was that Colin at number 43 was going to university! These days it's unusual for a kid not to go to uni. Conversely, in the 1970s real apprenticeships where widely available along with jobs in manufacturing/production and with jobs, workplace benefits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said: Raab was Brexit Secretary for just 4 months before he resigned. He quickly realised May and Robins were running the show. It was not Raab's WA. Raab cited the reason for his resignation was ghe backstop. Here is his statement to the house endorsing a commitment to the backstop but not to seperating NI from the UK https://www.gov.uk/government/news/secretary-of-state-dominic-raabs-statement-update-on-eu-exit-negotiations?utm_source=4c5a5112-6a31-4832-8cec-ae6c524c0d1d&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, nauseus said: Is this from Game of Thrones? Focus in real close to Brecon and Radnorshire, then fast forward to the upcoming by-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesMad Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, puipuitom said: You forget Greater London... Bye-the-way: quite some banks already switched jobs to the EU: Frankfurt, Dublin, Paris, Luxembourg and Amsterdam. Also thanks for the Eur Medicine Agency and BMW Mini to NL Oops, yes, so sorry... A wall will be build through the middle of Greater London separating the Remainian and Leavers parts of London. Heavily armed soldiers will guard the wall, to prevent Leavers fleeing to Remainia. Just a temporary measure, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesMad Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Basil B said: ??? Is it not the other way round??? No no, then Leaveland would have a border with Ireland; not possible because of back-stop clause... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Conversely, in the 1970s real apprenticeships where widely available along with jobs in manufacturing/production and with jobs, workplace benefits. But the anti Christ Thatcher started the ruination of British manufacturing and now it looks like the reincarnation of Godzilla and his right wing cabinet are finally going to wreck what is remaining of what was once many many great British manufacturing companies. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Focus in real close to Brecon and Radnorshire, then fast forward to the upcoming by-election. No point. The whole map is a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, nauseus said: No point. The whole map is a joke. Since it depicts the UK, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, JulesMad said: No no, then Leaveland would have a border with Ireland; not possible because of back-stop clause... But NI voted to remain, so did Much of Southern England including London, Oxford and Cambridge where some of our best brains are... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Since it depicts the UK, I agree. I can't slag off my homeland but I don't know what this silly map is supposed to depict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Any argument that Brexit is not a right wing coup negated by hard right winger Johnson installing a hard right wing cabinet. Brexit logic now needs adjusting to come up with a Labour voters across the nation will ignore this and backing Johnson and his hard right wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said: But the anti Christ Thatcher started the ruination of British manufacturing and now it looks like the reincarnation of Godzilla and his right wing cabinet are finally going to wreck what is remaining of what was once many many great British manufacturing companies. I thought it was Rupert Murdoch who was the anti-Christ, maybe there are two! This cabinet is indeed far right, but was it really necessary to include convicted crooks, like Patel. Sadly and predictably Corbyn (Virtually alone in HoC) proved himself to be utterly graceless during May's final departure exchange. He is just a millstone around the Labour party's neck, they should be eating the Tories by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 hours ago, vogie said: What can't I accept? That Boris was voted in by more people than Ursula von der Leyen, it would seem it is not me that is in denial. Ursula VDL has been indirectly elected by governments elected according to the respective electoral laws in their countries and approved by elected MEPs, all that according to EU treaties. Boris has been elected according to the rules of a party. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Nigel Garvie said: I thought it was Rupert Murdoch who was the anti-Christ, maybe there are two! This cabinet is indeed far right, but was it really necessary to include convicted crooks, like Patel. Sadly and predictably Corbyn (Virtually alone in HoC) proved himself to be utterly graceless during May's final departure exchange. He is just a millstone around the Labour party's neck, they should be eating the Tories by now. Agree with you. Labour should have thrown out Corbyn a long while back and I can not understand why they have not. As long as he is there the less and less chance is there of removing what is now a far right government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said: But the anti Christ Thatcher started the ruination of British manufacturing and now it looks like the reincarnation of Godzilla and his right wing cabinet are finally going to wreck what is remaining of what was once many many great British manufacturing companies. After WW2, successive governments had failed to encourage modernization but they nationalized several of the bigger industries instead, keeping them afloat with huge subsidies. This, together with the power years and effects of the trades unions, had made big UK industry impossibly expensive and inefficient by the time Thatcher got in. It had already self-destructed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said: Agree with you. Labour should have thrown out Corbyn a long while back and I can not understand why they have not. As long as he is there the less and less chance is there of removing what is now a far right government. Brexit was always a far right movement. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, candide said: Ursula VDL has been indirectly elected by governments elected according to the respective electoral laws in their countries and approved by elected MEPs, all that according to EU treaties. Boris has been elected according to the rules of a party. The excuses the EUmainers come out with to justify a most undemocratic system of electing your leaders is totally unbelievable, "indirectly" what is that supposed to mean? 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, vogie said: The excuses the EUmainers come out with to justify a most undemocratic system of electing your leaders is totally unbelievable, "indirectly" what is that supposed to mean? "An indirect election is an election in which voters do not choose between candidates for an office, but elect people who then choose. It is one of the oldest forms of elections, and is still used today for many presidents, cabinets, upper houses, and supranational legislatures." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_election 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, candide said: "An indirect election is an election in which voters do not choose between candidates for an office, but elect people who then choose. It is one of the oldest forms of elections, and is still used today for many presidents, cabinets, upper houses, and supranational legislatures." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_election Lets cut out the waffle, there was 3 nominees selected behind closed doors, coincidentally they were all called Ursula von der Leyen, and people have the nerve to criticise Boris election. It's totally laughable, but the EUmainers will back this nonsense that is the EU. WHY. Can't you see a flaw in your system? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CG1 Blue Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, cleopatra2 said: Raab cited the reason for his resignation was ghe backstop. Here is his statement to the house endorsing a commitment to the backstop but not to seperating NI from the UK https://www.gov.uk/government/news/secretary-of-state-dominic-raabs-statement-update-on-eu-exit-negotiations?utm_source=4c5a5112-6a31-4832-8cec-ae6c524c0d1d&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate You were suggesting it was Raab's WA. Raab was only in the job 4 months. He was effectively handed the WA that was written by the EU and that May had capitulated to. It was not Raab's WA. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 Contrary to much of the nonsense in these threads it seems ol' BJ has had a field day in the commons this afternoon: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: Says the bitter Irish man who keeps telling us how we should be in the EU. Who still calls it a united Ireland. The biggest clown is not knowing your country has been used like a fool in the name of the EU. i know Ireland has prospered in the EU. it wasn't long ago when dogs and horses where still crapping in the streets, which is not far off, what happens in Albania today. The truth is you don't really care about the EU, just a united Ireland, which many of your countrymen don't want and certainly many in Northern Ireland don't either. So shouting about the EU, what does that make you. Someones B****atch. Many posters here are talking about: "you can't fix stupidity". Well, make your Britain small again. The other clown in US will be there to help you, isn't it? And who knows one day there is only Britain without Scotland and NI. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtank Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said: Many posters here are talking about: "you can't fix stupidity". Well, make your Britain small again. The other clown in US will be there to help you, isn't it? And who knows one day there is only Britain without Scotland and NI. Yes. England and Wales. Not exactly an empire is it? Boris and his right wing extremist government will be long gone by then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, vogie said: The excuses the EUmainers come out with to justify a most undemocratic system of electing your leaders is totally unbelievable, "indirectly" what is that supposed to mean? Someone whose own head of state and commander-in-chief is unelected complaining about an “undemocratic system”. Hilarious. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post david555 Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, fishtank said: Yes. England and Wales. Not exactly an empire is it? Boris and his right wing extremist government will be long gone by then. "Boris and his right wing extremist government will be long gone by then." But remembered in the history as the architect culprits of it as a consequence of their actions.....???? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Anybody that missed Boris Johnsons speech, you are in for a treat, sheer poetry in motion, old Jeremy Corbyn didn't know what hit him. twitter_20190725_213846.mp4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, nauseus said: After WW2, successive governments had failed to encourage modernization but they nationalized several of the bigger industries instead, keeping them afloat with huge subsidies. This, together with the power years and effects of the trades unions, had made big UK industry impossibly expensive and inefficient by the time Thatcher got in. It had already self-destructed. There are some elements of truth in this but that doesn't make it true overall. Some of our big nationalized industries like Roots group were a disaster ...yes. The Unions and Callahan's utter inadequacy handed the election to MT. UK manufacturing was up against it with the rise of Japan, which Germany coped with by retooling, a wise and radical response. The killer blow to our manufacturing industries came with the absurdly high interest rates of the 80s due to Tory mismanagement of the economy. Businesses couldn't afford the loans necessary to restructure and be competitive internationally. Yes it was facing tough times, no it hadn't already self destructed, look up the history. Remember 3 million unemployed, Thatcher's great achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, vogie said: Anybody that missed Boris Johnsons speech, you are in for a treat, sheer poetry in motion, old Jeremy Corbyn didn't know what hit him. twitter_20190725_213846.mp4 I saw also a big part of his ….speech , funny welcome from Ian Blackburn : hoping B.J. would be te last P.M. he has the welcome in H.O.C ,alluding to Scottish Independence , hilarious smiles on the Scottish Pm's faces ???? B.J. rattling like a machine gun his lies , dodging answers or answering besides it , I felt home sick to May , at least she could be followed in her answers , saw the discontent on many pm faces as getting no straight answers ….a show performance not dignified for a PM... no class Edited July 25, 2019 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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