EU must change its negotiating terms for Brexit, says Britain's Barclay

[Aachen]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Forex tradeing ( 10:09) is open again and.. pound slipping away: GBP = € 1,088 and sinking…. up to one British pound = one ounce...

 

I hope for the British, who are or are going on holidays to Euroland, they already changed their pounds oor €uro's

Go to anywhere, it's not only Euroland ????

[Tanoshi]

41 minutes ago, partington said:

Just remain and honour the results of the 1975 referendum.

That's not how democracy works.

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

So ...you Wales too want to get out ….leaving Little Englanders whiteout vassals …? ????

I think the majority there voted to stay.... but I could have been a misunderstanding

[Mavideol]

5 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That's not how democracy works.

what democracy... people voted for the wrong thing, misinformed/mislead, lack of details/information about the potential negative or positive effect it would have in the UK economy and the people, driving around with a bus claiming the brexit would save 360 million pound a week was not proper campaigning and you call it democracy

[david555]

28 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I think the majority there voted to stay.... but I could have been a misunderstanding

My answer was to a poster who seems to like get out of U.K. :

 

his quote:

"the Blonde Dude will finally bankrupt UK. 
Great job, Mr. Boris,  so Wales can get out of UK ! "

[Loiner]

You decided to go for Brexit without a plan, so why not leave now, 3 years later, still without a plan. Just leave and everything will be OK! And if it turns out to be not OK, it’s the EU’s fault. Simple!

Would you have us believe that the EU was not complicit in the Remainer plot and Theresa May’ lies & treachery?

[juice777]

Nov.1, 2019
£1=฿28.5

Or £2-3 a small Chang beer to all the Racist old Codgers I met in Bars in Pattaya who voted for it for no real reason apart from they hate foreigners.And I reckon 15 to 20 before it gets better so that might be £4 a bottle in soi new plazer the place will be empty as it was mostly old skint UK retires waiting to die anyway.



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[Loiner]

 
And what is your idea of a fair deal?
 
Because up to now the Brexiter politicians have but exactly nothing forward. No plan, no vision, no details of their idea of a deal - zilch, nothing, empty vessel.
 
One might start considering what their real motives are.

We haven’t got to the deal yet, because the EU and Remainers are still trying to stitch us up with a sneaky pre-Deal. No trade talks until the UK is tied to the EU good and proper.
Abandoning the idea of a divorce ‘settlement’ would be a fair start.

[david555]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

We haven’t got to the deal yet, because the EU and Remainers are still trying to stitch us up with a sneaky pre-Deal. No trade talks until the UK is tied to the EU good and proper.
Abandoning the idea of a divorce ‘settlement’ would be a fair start.

So than you by now that that shall stay U.K.'s "wet dream" and after 1 November 3 th country tariffs probably until better understandings should surface from 1 or both sides ...

[lungbing]

1 hour ago, Tanoshi said:

That's not how democracy works.

In 1975 I voted to remain in the Common Market.  We are a trading nation and  at that time it was the right decision.  We were not told it was a fledgling political union.  Now not only do they run a large trading surplus with the UK but we also pay them for the priviledge!

[Pumpuynarak]

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yeah, his balls are between his ears!

and where's yours ? lmao

[ThomasThBKK]

28 minutes ago, lungbing said:

In 1975 I voted to remain in the Common Market.  We are a trading nation and  at that time it was the right decision.  We were not told it was a fledgling political union.  Now not only do they run a large trading surplus with the UK but we also pay them for the priviledge!

Why don't you just stop buying their stuff?

 

Did you ever think WHY there is a trading surplus, maybe because YOU want and need this stuff?
Do you even know the slightest thing about Britains economy yourself? 

 

78% of your economy is in the service sector which includes financials, IT stuff and co.

 

It seems you guys want to go back to agriculturally based economy like you had 100 years ago. Good luck.

Because that's what you just try to accomplish. Cutting of Londons financial powerhouse from it's biggest market to go back and grow potatoes.

[damascase]

51 minutes ago, Loiner said:

We haven’t got to the deal yet, because the EU and Remainers are still trying to stitch us up with a sneaky pre-Deal. No trade talks until the UK is tied to the EU good and proper.
Abandoning the idea of a divorce ‘settlement’ would be a fair start.

You keep repeating your mantra, blaming the EU and remainers. Why not blame the brexiteers who started this off - and probably finish - without even the very beginnings of a plan. 

[Caldera]

There's precisely nothing at all that the EU "must" do. If that moron doesn't get that, he will be in for a surprise sooner rather than later.

[baboon]

53 minutes ago, lungbing said:

In 1975 I voted to remain in the Common Market.  We are a trading nation and  at that time it was the right decision.  We were not told it was a fledgling political union. 

Untrue.

https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2018/11/04/britain-wasnt-misled-in-1975/

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, Aachen said:

Go to anywhere, it's not only Euroland ????

When you, British, want to buy or sell something in €uroland, you will be confronted with the currency exchange rate. Same for other countries. Ask the British pensionario's trying to survive in e.g. Thailand.

But.. for a Brexiteer, who is still in the times of Kitchener and Gordon, of course a gigantic step too far.

Also the wild-haired clown, as minister of foreign affairs, did not have the slightest idea about the British behaviour in Birma, 19+20th century.

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

I think the majority there voted to stay.... but I could have been a misunderstanding

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-elections-2019/news/wales-dubbed-a-remain-nation-after-eu-vote/

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

We haven’t got to the deal yet, because the EU and Remainers are still trying to stitch us up with a sneaky pre-Deal. No trade talks until the UK is tied to the EU good and proper.
Abandoning the idea of a divorce ‘settlement’ would be a fair start.

So, all expenditures in the running budget period, where the British government signed for, inclusive payments to public and private organisations, private persons in the UK: stop immediately. Mr Farange: bye-bye to your EU pension. And NO information exchange anymore from EU databases to the UK.  see  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-eu-police-europol-michel-barnier-latest-talks-britain-database-a8405751.html  

 

1.     UK Made Illegal Copies and Mismanaged …

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/07/29/1727253

Authorities in the United Kingdom have made unauthorized copies of data stored inside a EU database for ... UK Made Illegal Copies and Mismanaged Schengen ... out all ...

2.    

 

3.     UK made illegal copies and mismanaged Schengen …

https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-made-illegal-copies-and-mismanaged-schengen-travelers...

27-7-2019 · UK made illegal copies and mismanaged Schengen ... UK officials made copies of this database and stored ... out ...

4.    

 

5.     EU Indirectly Confirms UK Is Taking “Practical Steps ...

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-indirectly-confirms-uk-is-taking-practical...

... from the database of the Schengen ... of the British authorities regarding the Schengen ... to the SIS made numerous copies of ...

 

1.     UK unlawfully copying data from EU police system

https://euobserver.com/justice/141919

28-5-2018 · The British government is ... The United Kingdom has been illegally copying classified personal information from a database ... the UK made illegal copies ...

2.    

 

3.     Brexit: key strands of British policing 'in jeopardy ...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/27/nca-harvesting-eu-databases-owing-to...

27-7-2019 · SIS II is the Schengen Information System database. ... by the UK once the country is out of ... which is said to have made allegations of illegal ...

 

 

[tomacht8]

As this Brexit emanates, it will certainly enter the economic history books as the dumbest, what headless politicians can do with there country.

 

Losses = 

 

1. Since the referendum on June 23, 2016, the course is almost steady.
Compared to the dollar, the minus is currently at 18 percent, compared to the euro at around 16 percent.

 

The money amount M2 of the UK is:

2.433.285 Million or 2.433 billions GBP

2.433 x 0,18 = 437,94 billions loss against $

 

2. If one takes into account the loss in value of land, buildings, life insurances, etc. with regard to exchange rates, the further 500 billion + are likely to have been destroyed.

 

3. The payment obligations to the EU around 39 billion euros. The loss is here that the UK is out from all common projects. Exclusion from the largest common platform of all European countries.

 

4. The threat of emigration or reduction of the production industry, automobile, aviation, insurance, banking and the associated tax losses. 

 

5. Why does not anyone in the current UK government calculate that?

 

6. The UK currently does not have enough administrative, technically trained staff to take over the tasks that the EU has taken on so far. Customs officials, border security, veterinarians, pharma and food safety, promotion programs, higher education, research, subsidy distribution etc.

 

7. not to mention the geopolitical effects.

 

8. And for what? For some obscure,

fantasy trade deals Tomorrow?

As if there were any undiscovered countrys that had something to give away (on our overpopulated planet where the battle for the last resources is in full swing).

 

What a disaster.

Edited August 5, 2019 by tomacht8

[billd766]

8 hours ago, damascase said:

You decided to go for Brexit without a plan, so why not leave now, 3 years later, still without a plan. Just leave and everything will be OK! And if it turns out to be not OK, it’s the EU’s fault. Simple!

Actually that isn't quite true.

 

Teresa May promised so many times over the last 3 years that the UK would leave the EU and she was in overall charge of leaving. She was and still is a Remainer and had no desire to leave the EH, so she waffled, prevaricated, lied and did her best to steer the UK into BRINO.

 

She overruled ANY Brexiteer who dared disagree with her.

 

She promised so much in the last 3 years and delivered so little.

 

The basic problem is that she lied from the first to the last day.

 

Do you not remember when she said that a no deal was better than a bad deal?

 

The last deal she brought back stank so badly that though 27 member countries voted in favour of it the 28th country, the UK rejected it not just once or even twice but three times.

 

That is why the UK has ended up where it is, and why she got the order of the boot.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, puipuitom said:

With N.Ireland and Scotland to leave… it's the united baronies of England left...

Really? Wherever did you come up with that?

[billd766]

4 hours ago, partington said:

Just remain and honour the results of the 1975 referendum.

Do you mean the referendum that Ted Heath lied about?

 

The one about the UK was only joining the EEC?

[tomacht8]

14 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Actually that isn't quite true.

 

Teresa May promised so many times over the last 3 years that the UK would leave the EU and she was in overall charge of leaving. She was and still is a Remainer and had no desire to leave the EH, so she waffled, prevaricated, lied and did her best to steer the UK into BRINO.

 

She overruled ANY Brexiteer who dared disagree with her.

 

She promised so much in the last 3 years and delivered so little.

 

The basic problem is that she lied from the first to the last day.

 

Do you not remember when she said that a no deal was better than a bad deal?

 

The last deal she brought back stank so badly that though 27 member countries voted in favour of it the 28th country, the UK rejected it not just once or even twice but three times.

 

That is why the UK has ended up where it is, and why she got the order of the boot.

I understand your Frustration.

mays deal was a Compromise, half in half out. Within a time window.

She tried to make the 51,xx% leavers and the 48,xx% remaines happy.

Did not succeed. Now we eat all the cockroaches.

Edited August 5, 2019 by tomacht8

[billd766]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Untrue.

https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2018/11/04/britain-wasnt-misled-in-1975/

Yes we were misled by Ted Heath and his merry band of liars in 1973 and I have no recollection of any pamphlet being delivered in 1975 at all and voted for it then.

[baboon]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Yes we were misled by Ted Heath and his merry band of liars in 1973 and I have no recollection of any pamphlet being delivered in 1975 at all and voted for it then.

https://medium.com/@UKIPNFKN/uk-voters-knew-the-1975-referendum-was-about-both-an-economic-political-union-with-the-rest-of-2f565b972cd6

[vogie]

38 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

I understand your Frustration.

mays deal was a Compromise, half in half out. Within a time window.

She tried to make the 51,xx% leavers and the 48,xx% remaines happy.

Did not succeed. Now we eat all the cockroaches.

But some of like the Beatles.

[candide]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

Untrue.

https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2018/11/04/britain-wasnt-misled-in-1975/

It's quite interesting to read the anti-EC arguments during the referendum campaign. Where have I read similar arguments more recently? ????

"Their ‘NO’ campaign referendum literature, also distributed to every household, warned what they considered were the dangers of membership:

To end a thousand years of British freedom and independent nationhood is an unheard of constitutional change.

Do you want us to be a self-governing nation, or to be a province of Europe?

Do we want self-government as a great independent nation, or do we want to be governed as a province of the EEC by Commissioners and a Council of Ministers, predominantly foreign, in Brussels?

Do we want to lose the whole of our individual influence as a nation, which is still great, in order to enhance the status of Europe, which would then function largely outside our control?"

[rudi49jr]

10 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Barnier and the EU leaders must think they're dealing with a bunch of complete tossers

As it turns out, they obviously are .....

[elliss]

12 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Just go, how obnoxious can someone be...

They are like that annoying kid in school that always interrupts everyone else and no one wants to talk with

 

Bj ,  is the rich kid ,  his football,  he only  scores the goals,   rich papa.

   I remember it well...

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by elliss

[ThomasThBKK]

 
Bj ,  is the rich kid ,  his football,  he only  scores the goals,   rich papa.
   I remember it well...
 

He went to Eton, they grow these people there.
One of Thailands last PMs too...

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