Britain will face some food shortages in a no-deal Brexit: trade body

[Forethat]

38 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

And you realize that around 10,000 containers of EU food arrive every day in the UK Ports.

Calculate that on planes please.

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I have no clue where you get your numbers from, but actually, the total number of LORRIES that arrive Dover each day is around 10,000. But keep in mind not all of them carry food. The total number of containers (TEUs) arriving British ports each day is roughly 16,000.

[tomacht8]

16 minutes ago, Forethat said:

I have no clue where you get your numbers from, but actually, the total number of LORRIES that arrive Dover each day is around 10,000. But keep in mind not all of them carry food. The total number of containers (TEUs) arriving British ports each day is roughly 16,000.

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Title:

Bei einem No-Deal-Brexit würde den Briten sogar der Tee ausgehen

Veröffentlicht am 11.03.2019

Welt 

 

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article190081185/No-Deal-Brexit-Diese-Lebensmittel-werden-kuenftig-knapp.html

port-freight-statistics-2017.pdf

[Forethat]

15 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

From CLAUDIA WANNER 

https://medientrainerin.com/claudia-wanner-is-an-experienced-journalist-with-a-focus-on-business-and-economics

 

You can use a Translator.

 

Title:

Bei einem No-Deal-Brexit würde den Briten sogar der Tee ausgehen

Veröffentlicht am 11.03.2019

Welt 

 

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article190081185/No-Deal-Brexit-Diese-Lebensmittel-werden-kuenftig-knapp.html

port-freight-statistics-2017.pdf 8.27 MB · 1 download

To be honest, I am fluent in German, but UK statistics is available. 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/646188/port-freight-statistics-2016-revised.pdf 

[tomacht8]

16 minutes ago, Forethat said:

To be honest, I am fluent in German, but UK statistics is available. 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/646188/port-freight-statistics-2016-revised.pdf 

Yes.

Same source.

Data from 2017 is also available.

 

What about the cargo that comes through the tunnel and what's being imported via Ireland. 10,000 container food per day is not unlikely.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/15/food-and-brexit-will-the-cupboard-be-bare-jay-rayner

[Forethat]

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Yes.

Same source.

Data from 2017 is also available.

 

What about the cargo that comes through the tunnel and what's being imported via Ireland. 10,000 container food per day is not unlikely.

Don't know the exact number. It'd be interesting to get hold of the stats though. The 10,000 lorries each day most likely includes the 4,600 lorries that enter UK via the tunnel. But then there's the remaining shipping that enters all ports ports. If you find any stats I'm interested.

[Number 6]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Did you read the OP?

Please explain us why British custom operations will be faster for imports from outside the EU than from the EU

Why must they be slower? Why need they be faster? All these potentially false needs and assumptions.

 

Further, there's nothing stopping the EU and UK from (re) establishing agreements that expedite and facilitate trade. It's just a Boogeyman.

 

Dream big princess.

 

EU is going to bust up. Italy, then Spain or Greece. France. It's a house a cards.

 

[Number 6]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

Just how will that bonus be realised? Exactly what will I be able to do on 1st November that is currently denied to me?

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You will no longer have to abide by agreements, regulations and laws decided for the UK in other nations by other peoples. You will be free from the flotsam that flows into your country creating crime and driving up unemployment. Most of all the nation will regain it's sovereignty.

 

European Bank is an absolute mess.

[Laughing Gravy]

5 hours ago, damascase said:

Could you expand on that bonus? What freedom that you do not have now will be returned to you? 

If you need to ask that question then maybe you shouldn't be in this discussion.

 

How about having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world and other European  countries not in the EU.

 

How about having the freedom to farm and grow enough food for its population.

 

How about been allowed to fish in its own waters without restrictive controls and quotas and preventing other countries raping British waters.

 

How about not paying into a club that many members don't contribute to and get the same benefits.

 

How about having the freedom to buy from other countries without the bureaucratic tape the EU insist on.

 

Does that explain it for starters.

[HauptmannUK]

I am no fan of the EU, but in life sometimes the choice is not between 'Good' and 'Bad' its actually between 'Bad' and 'Worse still'.  So for me staying in the EU is preferable to leaving.

A lot of the issues around EU membership could have been solved by the UK introducing biometric ID cards - to be presented on interaction with public services and the police. Fingerprinting at immigration. Exit checks. Enforcement of EU residency and income rules that go along with 'Freedom of Movement' (and never been enforced by the UK).

My expectation post-Brexit is that immigration numbers won't change much. But Mariucz will go home to Warsaw and be replaced by Dilip from Delhi.  There's going to be strife for many years to come. 

[vogie]

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

No-deal was/is one option. The rest is Hard Brexit spin.

You are over-egging the pudding, there are only two options of leave, leave with a deal or leave without a deal. But I concur there are many forms of remain.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Forethat said:

Don't know the exact number. It'd be interesting to get hold of the stats though. The 10,000 lorries each day most likely includes the 4,600 lorries that enter UK via the tunnel. But then there's the remaining shipping that enters all ports ports. If you find any stats I'm interested.

It’s those arguing alternatives to the current transport arrangements will function who need the stats to support their argument.

 

Those of us arguing for maintaining the status quote need only point at well stocked shelves in shops and supermarkets.

[vogie]

7 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

Just how will that bonus be realised? Exactly what will I be able to do on 1st November that is currently denied to me?

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On the 1st of November we can sit back and relax, and know we don't have to listen to the Eumainers acrimony of how if we don't stay in the EU we may suffer the same fate as Egypt with  its 10 plagues.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

On the 1st of November we can sit back and relax, and know we don't have to listen to the Eumainers acrimony of how if we don't stay in the EU we may suffer the same fate as Egypt with  its 10 plagues.

Gove is proposing to order banks closed to avoid ‘chaos’.

 

Maybe he knows something you don’t.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/michael-goves-big-idea-why-not-keep-banks-closed-day-after-brexit-xrjhdll5l

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Gove is proposing to order banks closed to avoid ‘chaos’.

 

Maybe he knows something you don’t.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/michael-goves-big-idea-why-not-keep-banks-closed-day-after-brexit-xrjhdll5l

The French bully boys are going to block the port of Calais in the event of a no deal to restrict British fish being landed at the French port.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/french-fishermen-threaten-to-blockade-uk-exports-so-no-fish-can-enter-eu-after-no‑deal-brexit/ar-AAFzNOK

 

The French are wonderfull are they not, if they don't get their own way the always revert to the bully boys tactics.

 

As for Gove, if it works to get us out of the bully boys club so much the better. The link you provided is hidden behind a paywall to which I don't have access, but thanks anyway.

[tomacht8]

7 hours ago, Forethat said:

Don't know the exact number. It'd be interesting to get hold of the stats though. The 10,000 lorries each day most likely includes the 4,600 lorries that enter UK via the tunnel. But then there's the remaining shipping that enters all ports ports. If you find any stats I'm interested.

I am sure that there are detailed figures in the different, relevant authorities.

 

- Container freight by truck

- General - no Container- cargo by truck

- Freights with vans

- Container freight by ship

- No container cargo by ship

- Eurotunnel Freight shuttle trains

- Food raw material - liquid charges in tanks

- Food commodity debris transports such as grain, etc. per ship

- Freights from Irland to Ni

 

The diligence task is to break down all the alternative forms of transport and freights from the different entrypoints, on container units and to identify the food component here in General and the EU Share adjusted of the Rotterdam effect.

 

I think such aggregated numbers are currently not available at the touch of a button.

 

 

[tomacht8]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If you need to ask that question then maybe you shouldn't be in this discussion.

 

How about having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world and other European  countries not in the EU.

 

How about having the freedom to farm and grow enough food for its population.

 

How about been allowed to fish in its own waters without restrictive controls and quotas and preventing other countries raping British waters.

 

How about not paying into a club that many members don't contribute to and get the same benefits.

 

How about having the freedom to buy from other countries without the bureaucratic tape the EU insist on.

 

Does that explain it for starters.

1. Rubbish

The EU does not prohibit UK trade with other countries.

 

2. Rubbish

The UK can grow as much food as it wants. Nobody forbid that.

 

3. Rubbish

Many UK fishermen have in the past sold their fishing quotas to other fishing organizations for good money. Now they complaining. And without restrictive quotas, species protection and mesh sizes, the waters would have been completely empty from fish.

 

4. Rubbish 

Not all get that same. The EU net payers determine more. The UK has unjustly been granted special discounts in the past as the only country in the EU.

 

5. Rubbish

The UK can buy what it wants. Restrictions exist only with regard to product and consumer safety. Rat poison Viagra, ungrounded electrical appliances,

Rotten meat, with pesticide contaminated food you can not buy from third countrys and bring it into/ on EU shelfs.

[candide]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The French bully boys are going to block the port of Calais in the event of a no deal to restrict British fish being landed at the French port.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/french-fishermen-threaten-to-blockade-uk-exports-so-no-fish-can-enter-eu-after-no‑deal-brexit/ar-AAFzNOK

 

The French are wonderfull are they not, if they don't get their own way the always revert to the bully boys tactics.

 

As for Gove, if it works to get us out of the bully boys club so much the better. The link you provided is hidden behind a paywall to which I don't have access, but thanks anyway.

It will much better to be bullied by the Chinese government than by some French fishermen. Lol. Good luck to '(in)dependent' UK!

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1014271/Brexit-news-south-china-sea-dispute-trade-deal-military-royal-navy-freedom-of-navigation

[vogie]

31 minutes ago, candide said:

It will much better to be bullied by the Chinese government than by some French fishermen. Lol. Good luck to '(in)dependent' UK!

????

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1014271/Brexit-news-south-china-sea-dispute-trade-deal-military-royal-navy-freedom-of-navigation

"When you are offended or disapointed by others and allow the hurt to germinate in your heart, bitterness and resentment will take root."

[JAG]

On 8/8/2019 at 9:24 AM, OJAS said:

Yep, all too reminiscent of the hysterical "Millennium Bug" scaremongering that was being whipped up 20 years ago, I think. Those of us with sufficiently long memories can well recall what happened (or rather didn't) at the stroke of midnight on 31st December 1999/1st January 2000.

Remember it? There are people who are still working their way through the stockpile of tinned tomatoes they laid down...

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, JAG said:

Remember it? There are people who are still working their way through the stockpile of tinned tomatoes they laid down...

You seem not to be keeping up with the news:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/dominos-pizza-7-million-stockpiling-toppings-no-deal-brexit-2019-8

[SheungWan]

"When you are offended or disapointed by others and allow the hurt to germinate in your heart, bitterness and resentment will take root."

Yes, Grasshopper.

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[SheungWan]

Gove is proposing to order banks closed to avoid ‘chaos’.
 
Maybe he knows something you don’t.
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/michael-goves-big-idea-why-not-keep-banks-closed-day-after-brexit-xrjhdll5l

Someone in the Govt will have pointed out the risk on the day of pictures of bank queues Northern Rock style.

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[SheungWan]

On the 1st of November we can sit back and relax, and know we don't have to listen to the Eumainers acrimony of how if we don't stay in the EU we may suffer the same fate as Egypt with  its 10 plagues.

No-Deal shambles will not be the end of the world predict Hard Brexiteers. Old Geezers and their tin hats.

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[SheungWan]

The French bully boys are going to block the port of Calais in the event of a no deal to restrict British fish being landed at the French port.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/french-fishermen-threaten-to-blockade-uk-exports-so-no-fish-can-enter-eu-after-no‑deal-brexit/ar-AAFzNOK
 
The French are wonderfull are they not, if they don't get their own way the always revert to the bully boys tactics.
 
As for Gove, if it works to get us out of the bully boys club so much the better. The link you provided is hidden behind a paywall to which I don't have access, but thanks anyway.

Hard Brexiteers surprised that everybody else doesn't roll over on Day 1->n.

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[Forethat]

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

1. Rubbish

The EU does not prohibit UK trade with other countries.

Yes they do. As a member of the EU you surrender your right to negotiate and enter FTAs with other countries.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Yes they do. As a member of the EU you surrender your right to negotiate and enter FTAs with other countries.

And participate in negotiating from a position of collective strength.

 

The warnings are already there on what the UK can expect when going begging cap in hand desperate for trade deals.

[tomacht8]

18 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Yes they do. As a member of the EU you surrender your right to negotiate and enter FTAs with other countries.

The UK can buy and sell to any country in the world. Correctly no EU country can conclude its own FTA. All external contracts are communicated jointly. Otherwise, the common market would be holey like a Swiss cheese. That is the core principle of the common market, together to achieve the greatest benefit for all members of the EU and to set up corresponding tariff and quota hurdles. The EU can not compete with low-wage countries. The EU tries to protect domestic productions. Otherwise, our wealth would collapse.

 

In addition an example. The UK signs an FTA with China. One position is the permit to introduce 1000000 duty-free vacuum cleaners to the UK. China builds slightly modified Dyson copies with daily wages of $ 10. So what do you think happens to the Dyson jobs in the UK?

[Forethat]

15 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The UK can buy and sell to any country in the world. Correctly no EU country can conclude its own FTA. All external contracts are communicated jointly. Otherwise, the common market would be holey like a Swiss cheese. That is the core principle of the common market, together to achieve the greatest benefit for all members of the EU and to set up corresponding tariff and quota hurdles. The EU can not compete with low-wage countries. The EU tries to protect domestic productions. Otherwise, our wealth would collapse.

 

In addition an example. The UK signs an FTA with China. One position is the permit to introduce 1000000 duty-free vacuum cleaners to the UK. China builds slightly modified Dyson copies with daily wages of $ 10. So what do you think happens to the Dyson jobs in the UK?

Thanks for confirming my point that as member of the EU you give up your right to negotiate and enter FTAs with other countries.

[damascase]

34 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Yes they do. As a member of the EU you surrender your right to negotiate and enter FTAs with other countries.

.......but that doesn’t mean you can not trade, as you claim. 

Has absolutely zero to do with ‘surrendering rights to the EU’. 

 

[Rimmer]

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