Britain will face some food shortages in a no-deal Brexit: trade body

[candide]

23 minutes ago, Forethat said:

And those issues are being addressed as we speak.

Ok.  Regardless of whether these issues are adequately addressed or not, why would looking for alternative sources outside the EU bring any improvement, as some posters suggest.

This is completely incoherent.

Case 1: there is no delay due to Customs operations. In this case there is no particular advantage derived from sourcing outside the EU (not more or less than currently).

Case 2: there is a delay. In this case it will equally affect imports from any country. So there is no particular advantage derived from sourcing outside the EU (not more or less than currently).

 

[aright]

9 hours ago, Hans007 said:

All this BS talk about shortage of this...shortage of that after Brexit...its Bullshit. Its just not true.

 

There will be NO shortage whatsoever. Its just to make people afraid for leaving the EU. Propaganda from Brussels.

 

I wish my country had the balls to leave...but probably never going to happen. So sad:-(

 

Go Brexit!!!!:-) Britain will be a better place in 2-3 years...trust me.

So envious...on British people...

 

Take care.

 

Hans

Michael Gove will launch a new 'rapid rebuttal unit' at the heart of Government on Monday to provide instant responses to "media myths and half-truths" about the risks of a no-deal Brexit.

Last week BBC2's Newsnight programme reported that 45,000 dairy cows could be culled in Northern Ireland, in the event of a no-deal Brexit if new higher tariffs were applied to British milk despite Defra saying that a cull is "absolutely not something that the government anticipates nor is planning for in the event of no-deal".

"While no deal may present some challenges, scare stories and misinformation are designed to obstruct democracy and prevent us leaving. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/10/michael-gove-takes-brexit-fake-news-new-rapid-rebuttal-unit/

 

Ian Duncan Smith has said anything good is never reported because of Brexit and anything bad is.

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

17 hours ago, vogie said:

The French are wonderfull are they not, if they don't get their own way the always revert to the bully boys tactics.

They do but as history reflects they usually get their backsides kicked and go into hiding.

[Forethat]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

They do but as history reflects they usually get their backsides kicked and go into hiding.

Hear hear!

[Laughing Gravy]

16 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

1. Rubbish

The EU does not prohibit UK trade with other countries.

 

2. Rubbish

The UK can grow as much food as it wants. Nobody forbid that.

 

3. Rubbish

Many UK fishermen have in the past sold their fishing quotas to other fishing organizations for good money. Now they complaining. And without restrictive quotas, species protection and mesh sizes, the waters would have been completely empty from fish.

 

4. Rubbish 

Not all get that same. The EU net payers determine more. The UK has unjustly been granted special discounts in the past as the only country in the EU.

 

5. Rubbish

The UK can buy what it wants. Restrictions exist only with regard to product and consumer safety. Rat poison Viagra, ungrounded electrical appliances,

Rotten meat, with pesticide contaminated food you can not buy from third countrys and bring it into/ on EU shelfs.

You obviously have no idea and seems pointless discussing it with you. From the first point you really are delusional. You must be a Europhile.  I suppose the ECJ have no impact on the UK also.

[Loiner]

Remainers claim all trade with EU will cease? Please share where those claims are being made.
 

Yes some of them do. Go google yourself for Remainer Brexit trade hysteria. There will be plenty, but I’m not jumping through hoops for you.

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yes some of them do. Go google yourself for Remainer Brexit trade hysteria. There will be plenty, but I’m not jumping through hoops for you.

As usual, unsubstantiated claims.

[Number 6]

23 hours ago, candide said:

 

How many times must it be repeated that the issue adressed in the OP is not about EU Member States making problems for sending food to UK? It is about Customs procedures in UK by the British!

 

Regardless of whether goods come from the EU or from elsewhere, they will be subject to the same Customs operations.

I'd missed that. I guess many others did as well.

 

Well that's just your own stupidity then isn't it?

 

I really think it's a tempest in a teacup. You're smart people you'll figure out how to facilitate the trade. If not just dig up the British East India Trading Company and see if they can help. At one time your nation ruled the world and seven seas. Now you're just a bunch of crybabies worrying about rotten tomatoes and lettuce on the docks.

[aright]

I just heard a news report on British farming which said the UK's farming sufficiency is 61% which surprised me …..I would have thought lower.

[Joinaman]

On 8/7/2019 at 7:16 PM, Chelseafan said:

As I've mentioned before, I am a buyer for a large retailer. Buying the stock isn't the issue. Getting it here and storing it is the biggest headache.

 

I'll give you an example, a truck driver bringing in potatoes (there's not enough grown in the UK to support the population) can make 5-6 trips a week between the Netherlands and the UK. If hard borders come into force then he is going to be delayed and may only be able to do 2-3 trips a week so less availability, also there are a finite amount of trucks so he is now in a position to put his price up (supply and demand) which then gets loaded onto the cost of goods. Prices go up

 

Storage is a big problem especially as our depots will be full of christmas items. If we were to buy in beforehand where the hell are we going to store the product? not only that but we are holding stock that isn't being sold which presents a cashflow issue.

 

Just a couple of the many issues this is going to cause.

 

and how did you manage when the French blockaded the ports and the roads leading to them ?

don't remember shortages then

So who will delay the borders, the French to spite us ? The Brits ?

Can you tell us the facts on exactly what delays will occur, how long these will last, or is it just your opinion ?

[Loiner]

To remind you, it was a member of the Cabinet who awarded a Brexit contingency planning shipping contract to an outfit with no ships and no experience in shipping.
 
 

So making preparations to avoid your Remainer imaginary “ferry shortage” and you still don’t like it. Would you all rather enjoy an Armageddon to be able to bask in being right for once?

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.  

 

[BlueScouse]

On 8/11/2019 at 10:19 PM, aright said:

I just heard a news report on British farming which said the UK's farming sufficiency is 61% which surprised me …..I would have thought lower.

From the Guardian newspaper, a rabid remainer publication.

"Wine is the most valuable food import from the EU"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/aug/13/how-a-no-deal-brexit-threatens-your-weekly-food-shop

[HerbalEd]

On 8/8/2019 at 9:42 AM, remobb said:

Good. Buy British, support our farmers and growers. You could also grow your own. Don't NEED foreign food, we just want it. So change your ways. We did ok before the EU.

They grow a lot of fresh produce during those cold English winters, do they? And

[baboon]

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

The EU have had enough of the whining British.

Many British are fighting like demons to remain or at least gently leave on friendly terms. Comments such as yours only amplify anger and hatred. Please be cautious. 

[baboon]

16 minutes ago, Orange sky said:

Do we actually have to worry how Britain survives the Brexit aftermath?

 

After Britain has finally exited the European Union, what is the reason to care about the country, which is like Turkey or Japan? Oh, those were bad comparisons as those both countries have official and legal agreements with the EU. Tunis and Afghanistan would be a better comparison. 

 

 

A bewildered, angry and poor nuclear power on your doorstep?

[Scott]

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[beautifulthailand99]

 

A working class Tory if something to be .......very prescient views from the glue sniffers in the car about the EU.....

 

 

[zorrow424]

On 8/10/2019 at 8:46 PM, Forethat said:

And those issues are being addressed as we speak.

 

Frankly, I am more concerned with the French trying to sabotage and stop British lorries carrying British produce into France.

Quite easy to remedy,Eire gets the full Monty from UK    screaming banshees,blockade them in

[beautifulthailand99]

Don't forget cashed up remainers - panic buying serves two purposes;

 

1. You and your family won't go without.

2. Empty shelves, queues at petrol stations and the like piles pressure on the no-deal maniacs that would threaten the stability of our country. 

3. Draw money out of your bank - they may have a 'bank holiday' to stop a run on banks  - so let's get one started. 

 

"By any means necessary" - Dominic Cummings - Malcolm X

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 2:42 PM, remobb said:

Good. Buy British, support our farmers and growers. You could also grow your own. Don't NEED foreign food, we just want it. So change your ways. We did ok before the EU.

You were fed by Australia and NZ. That could happen again, especially as relations with China fray.

[zorrow424]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Don't forget cashed up remainers - panic buying serves two purposes;

 

1. You and your family won't go without.

2. Empty shelves, queues at petrol stations and the like piles pressure on the no-deal maniacs that would threaten the stability of our country. 

3. Draw money out of your bank - they may have a 'bank holiday' to stop a run on banks  - so let's get one started. 

 

"By any means necessary" - Dominic Cummings - Malcolm X

Yes a good and wise man.  Got us (majority UK) just what we needed   Thank You Cummings,like the second coming of Christ..and while about it,a bank holiday on 1 November to celebrate the UK's withdrawal    

 

   Thanks to Boris,everything is sunshine       Everybody happy

[Jip99]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Don't forget cashed up remainers - panic buying serves two purposes;

 

1. You and your family won't go without.

2. Empty shelves, queues at petrol stations and the like piles pressure on the no-deal maniacs that would threaten the stability of our country. 

3. Draw money out of your bank - they may have a 'bank holiday' to stop a run on banks  - so let's get one started. 

 

"By any means necessary" - Dominic Cummings - Malcolm X

 

 

 

It is outlandish posts like this that make me realise that there is little to worry about come 31st October.

[Denim]

Ah well , works both ways. Those Europeans will be suffering too. No Walls sausages !! Som nam na !

[tomazbodner]

Actually there was a food shortage in UK for fresh vegetables just a couple of years back when harvests in Spain failed due to bad weather. That had nothing to do with Brexit. Global food supply is vulnerable to many things, but there is also a lot other suppliers that Britain could turn to, or prepare for (like food safety certifications) so there's no interruption. It's not like EU will no longer sell stuff to UK the moment it leaves. It's like UK won't be able to import them because safety certifications would be invalidated and there would be taxes to pay, etc., which can all be resolved with one executive decree. And EU isn't the only food producer in the World - if UK is importing stuff now, just not being in EU doesn't make that products any different. Consumers would just need to pay more unless, again, the tariffs are removed or set to same level as they are today.

 

EU isn't China or US. Chinese government could tell its companies to stop selling to xyz country and they'd oblige. US government would threaten sanctions to any company who trades with xyz and most of the World would oblige (as currently everyone needs access to US Dollar, but that'll change). EU just doesn't work like that.

[Forethat]

4 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

Actually there was a food shortage in UK for fresh vegetables just a couple of years back when harvests in Spain failed due to bad weather. That had nothing to do with Brexit. Global food supply is vulnerable to many things, but there is also a lot other suppliers that Britain could turn to, or prepare for (like food safety certifications) so there's no interruption. It's not like EU will no longer sell stuff to UK the moment it leaves. It's like UK won't be able to import them because safety certifications would be invalidated and there would be taxes to pay, etc., which can all be resolved with one executive decree. And EU isn't the only food producer in the World - if UK is importing stuff now, just not being in EU doesn't make that products any different. Consumers would just need to pay more unless, again, the tariffs are removed or set to same level as they are today.

 

EU isn't China or US. Chinese government could tell its companies to stop selling to xyz country and they'd oblige. US government would threaten sanctions to any company who trades with xyz and most of the World would oblige (as currently everyone needs access to US Dollar, but that'll change). EU just doesn't work like that.

I think this is fair point. French farmers rely heavily on the UK market (French agricultural export to UK is in the 14-16% range of their total production), and as you point out they are unlikely to give this up regardless of what French ministers say. I CAN tell you that preparations for a No Deal go back well over two years. For instance, IT-systems are put in place to manage customs and declaration of goods. What preparations have been made on the seller side? No clue, but a reasonable guess is that there's been absolutely no efforts what so ever to prepare for the eventuality that they will need to educate drivers and provide them with goods documents required by UK customs. Do they have the processes in place for this? Don't know. This is, in my opinion, a likely reason for initial delays.

 

How about customs procedures on the French side? For customs at Rotterdam this probably routine as a majority of goods arriving at that port need to be declared, but lorries that arrive Calais typically don't need to declare. Are preparations under way to manage this? Don't know, but I don't think so. I see this as another likely reason for initial delays.

 

Lastly, and I have mentioned this earlier, if UK decides to take control of their fishing waters (they can tell CFP to bugger off the same day we leave) and kick French fishing vessels out of there, we are more than likely to see industrial actions from French fishermen. I can only speculate as to exactly WHAT actions, but fishermen blocking UK lorries trying to enter France with goods seems plausible. This will cause HUGE problems that will affect both countries in more areas than trade. 

 

In summary, yes I think initial administrative challenges will cause delays. Give it a month or two and drivers will have learned what desk to go to with documents they were provided with. The French farmers though, that's another story...

[bristolboy]

16 minutes ago, Forethat said:

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Lastly, and I have mentioned this earlier, if UK decides to take control of their fishing waters (they can tell CFP to <deleted> off the same day we leave) and kick French fishing vessels out of there, we are more than likely to see industrial actions from French fishermen. I can only speculate as to exactly WHAT actions, but fishermen blocking UK lorries trying to enter France with goods seems plausible. This will cause HUGE problems that will affect both countries in more areas than trade. 

 

Foreign interests already own most of the fishing rights in the UK.

Britain sold our fish quotas for a quick buck, says PETER HILL

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/peter-hill/937621/britain-fisheries-fish-quotas-north-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit

[Rookiescot]

On 8/9/2019 at 4:42 PM, Forethat said:

I hear this argument all the time. "The Leave option didn't specify the DETAILS of the leave". 

 

I'd like to flip the argument around and ask if the Remain option specified the details of the remain? No?

More importantly, when UK voted in 1975 to enter EC membership, did that referendum specify the details of the future membership? No?

 

I've said it many times before; debating remainers on the topic of Brexit is rather like playing chess with a pigeon — they will knock the pieces over, <deleted> on the board, and fly back to their flock to claim victory.

The remain vote meant no change.

You need someone to detail the changes of no change?

[bristolboy]

6 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

Actually there was a food shortage in UK for fresh vegetables just a couple of years back when harvests in Spain failed due to bad weather. That had nothing to do with Brexit. Global food supply is vulnerable to many things, but there is also a lot other suppliers that Britain could turn to, or prepare for (like food safety certifications) so there's no interruption. It's not like EU will no longer sell stuff to UK the moment it leaves. It's like UK won't be able to import them because safety certifications would be invalidated and there would be taxes to pay, etc., which can all be resolved with one executive decree. And EU isn't the only food producer in the World - if UK is importing stuff now, just not being in EU doesn't make that products any different. Consumers would just need to pay more unless, again, the tariffs are removed or set to same level as they are today.

 

EU isn't China or US. Chinese government could tell its companies to stop selling to xyz country and they'd oblige. US government would threaten sanctions to any company who trades with xyz and most of the World would oblige (as currently everyone needs access to US Dollar, but that'll change). EU just doesn't work like that.

You're mostly right. But the UK will be able to import food items from the EU if it so chooses with or without recognition of EU safety certifications if it so chooses. And, most likely, it will so choose so as to avoid as much as possible disruptions in the food supply.

[Forethat]

30 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

The remain vote meant no change.

You need someone to detail the changes of no change?

No change..? Really?

 

Please find attached a link to the current EU legislations. Some of these have been introduced post Brexit vote, none of which were included as a potential future change should UK opt to remain in named referendum. More importantly, the remain-option did not provide details of what changes lies ahead of us. In theory, your description of no change suggests that EU law-making procedures are suspended, and as that is not the case your argument falls rather flat.

 

In summary, the remain vote meant 'future changes that we can neither foresee nor prevent'. Nothing else.

 

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/browse/summaries.html