Post TM 30 petition tightening of the rules?

[Ebumbu]

I'm not suggesting anyone breaks the law. But if 2% of farang comply with this, what they gonna do? Asking for a friend. 

[Thingamabob]

3 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

No they will get all of the crap attitudes back in their faces. They want to treat us this way, then get prepared to have some big negativity come straight back at you. It is almost bordering on hatred now. 

What does this mean ?

[nickmondo]

that petition was an absolutely insane idea

And all it has done is wind up the IO and made things worse.

its not rocket science!  jeez

[holy cow cm]

4 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

What does this mean ?

Treat us like criminals and they will receive the worst attitude of go to h*** back in their faces. No one will make their jobs warm and happy now. 

[Sumarianson]

So if you go out of the country for a day and return to the same address, you have to report on a TM30 within 24 hours? I have never been required to do that. If you have not changed your address and you reported the same address to immigration on entering the country then that address is registered with immigration as the address that you are staying at. If any other requirement is made it would be superfluous and an aggrevation to us tax paying residents.

[Skeptic7]

28 minutes ago, Sumarianson said:

So if you go out of the country for a day and return to the same address, you have to report on a TM30 within 24 hours? I have never been required to do that. If you have not changed your address and you reported the same address to immigration on entering the country then that address is registered with immigration as the address that you are staying at. If any other requirement is made it would be superfluous and an aggrevation to us tax paying residents.

I've never done it either, but T-I-T and things have gone off the rails in a crazy train...to paraphrase Ozzy...even more than usual. Crap is also being enforced which wasn't in the past. As everything inconsistent here in Land of Stooges...varies from office to office. Things are changing rapidly. I do not intend to do any, but I do expect to get fined again sometime. Probably next extension. Was fined here in BKK a few years back when I moved from Jomtien. Actually GF was fined...which equates to me being fined. I leave the country and re-enter 6 times/year and never have done one. Never even heard of this BS until I was fined. Haven't done one since. 

[TigerandDog]

7 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

That depends upon how someone interprets section 38. That is one reason for differences between immigration  offices.

Also it seems there is a mix up between what section 37 and section 38.

Saying a stay away from home for more than 24 hours is not mentioned in section 38.

Joe, under Thai logic what actually constitutes 24 hours.  e.g. At the end of this month I will travel from CM Province to TAC ( about 6 hours drive, arrive approx 5.00 p.m. ) stay in TAC that night for 1 night only, participate in a cycling race the next day. Depart TAC no later than 12 noon the same day as the race and return to CM Province later that afternoon.  Technically I will only be in TAC a maximum of 19 hours. So does that mean because of the overnight stay I have to lodge a TM30 upon return OR because it was less than 24 hours it won't be necessary to do so?

[4MyEgo]

I signed the petition early, however am now going to go about my own way of avoiding the TM 30 until they do away with it for the domestic side of things and would encourage every expat to do the same.

 

Shortly I will be travelling out and staying in another province with my Thai wife and family, we are driving to Bangkok to do the biometrics for the kids to take them back to my home country for a holiday, this means that the hotel we will be staying at will would normally fill in a TM 30, however I am going to get the wife to book the hotel in her name, I will park the car and when she rings me and tells me the room number, I will make my way there, if anyone asks me anything, I will tell them I have a business meeting with her as she still uses her maiden name, problem solved.

 

If I did it the other way, the immigration departments way, after the 9 hour drive when we return home from Bangkok, I would then have to drive for an hour 20 minutes to the immigration office to tell them what they would already know, i.e. I went to Bangkok, and am now back in my province and then drive an hour 20 minutes back home, WHAT A JOKE, WHAT AN INCONVENIENCE TO ME !

 

We fly out in October to the old country for a holiday and when we fly back in, we will be staying at another province for a weeks holiday, well I have to go to the local cops and report don't I, because I booked and paid for the hotel in my name 8 months ago, so when we get back into our province I have to go to immigration, an hour 20 each way to file the TM 30, again, WHAT A JOKE !

 

A few months back we were in Hua Hin, the hotel would have done the TM 30, up until recently we had no idea that we had to do a TM 30 so when I go and do the 90 day reporting, not a word is going to be said, if they raise it, we will play dumb, and if they fine us, it will be regretful, as all future holiday destinations are not going to be in Thailand until they abolish this domestically, i.e. I would rather spend my holiday money in another country who doesn't treat me like a criminal.

 

The way I see it is, they are happy to take my money for me to stay here, but want to impose all of these conditions, ok, fine, but things will now change, i.e. as I said, I will spend my money in other countries when holidaying, if this is also done by other expats, no doubt the more the merrier, it will remove the $'s we would normally spend in Thailand, can't have their cake and eat it too and hopefully the damage can be realised, sooner than later, I mean just think about it, they treat the Chinese and Indians better than the expats, who spend more than the Chinese and Indians by living here, free entry for them as well as some other countries, what the fark is that all about ?

 

As for doing a TM 30 upon returning from overseas, no problem and paying 1,900 baht for a re-entry permit each time, gladly as that will be my only contribution to Thailand, and if push comes to shove, I will set sails all together, too easy when you have money ????

 

This is the way to lose expats, not keep them, and expats = revenue $'s to the economy, but some are harder up top, thick is another word that comes to mind, yeh, thick as bricks, all boils down to their lack of education.

[Nardniles]

Please help.esp ubon joe. 

I live in bkk in a  room. I'mona retirement ext.landlord doesn't like doing tm30.im lucky if he will do it for me and he won't give receipt for me to show CW.

In fact  last year when i left thailand I got a Screenshot of the form he filled out.no receipt.

This June when I came back from uk I got a ok I will do it from him. ...nothing else. .I still have no idea if he's done it or not.  ..no Screenshot .no receipt.

 

I can't pressure him as he knows its farang 90% of time that gets the fine when we go to immigration office.

Now the rules have changed I read that even a trip to pattaya will involve a tm30 when I get back to bkk.

Landord won't be giving me him log in and password to the website for me to do it. And he can't be bothered with tm30.

Can I go to CW on Monday morning after a trip within thailand or abroad and do a tm30.by myself? ??????

I don't have the landlord I'D number or blue book or whatever it is called. ...I simply want to fill out a tm30 on paper  in CW myself and register me back in my room....without a fine or they telling me to get landlord to do it. .

I don't care if I spend all day on a Monday in CW doing it...simply can I get a tm30  receipt in my hand if I go to CW with my passport and room contract and tm7 and no details of my landlord which he won't give me even if I asked.

Please help. .I've had enough of this tm30  nonsense

[ubonjoe]

5 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

Joe, under Thai logic what actually constitutes 24 hours.  e.g. At the end of this month I will travel from CM Province to TAC ( about 6 hours drive, arrive approx 5.00 p.m. ) stay in TAC that night for 1 night only, participate in a cycling race the next day. Depart TAC no later than 12 noon the same day as the race and return to CM Province later that afternoon.  Technically I will only be in TAC a maximum of 19 hours. So does that mean because of the overnight stay I have to lodge a TM30 upon return OR because it was less than 24 hours it won't be necessary to do so?

Just staying in another province does not automatically mean you need to do a TM30 report.

If you are staying in a hotel and they do a TM30 report would cause you to need to do a TM30 report.

[TigerandDog]

26 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Just staying in another province does not automatically mean you need to do a TM30 report.

If you are staying in a hotel and they do a TM30 report would cause you to need to do a TM30 report.

Thanks Joe, that's what I suspected, but nice to get some clarification. Will also check with my District IMM Office to see if that is all they require.

[luckyluke]

18 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

it will be regretful, as all future holiday destinations are not going to be in Thailand until they abolish this domestically, i.e. I would rather spend my holiday money in another country who doesn't treat me like a criminal.

if you prefer to have your holidays in another country than Thailand, just do it.

 

Some Thais( hotels, restaurants...) will be financially hurt by your decision.  

 

 Pretty sure Immigration won't care at all.

[TigerandDog]

32 minutes ago, Nardniles said:

Please help.esp ubon joe. 

I live in bkk in a  room. I'mona retirement ext.landlord doesn't like doing tm30.im lucky if he will do it for me and he won't give receipt for me to show CW.

In fact  last year when i left thailand I got a Screenshot of the form he filled out.no receipt.

This June when I came back from uk I got a ok I will do it from him. ...nothing else. .I still have no idea if he's done it or not.  ..no Screenshot .no receipt.

 

I can't pressure him as he knows its farang 90% of time that gets the fine when we go to immigration office.

Now the rules have changed I read that even a trip to pattaya will involve a tm30 when I get back to bkk.

Landord won't be giving me him log in and password to the website for me to do it. And he can't be bothered with tm30.

Can I go to CW on Monday morning after a trip within thailand or abroad and do a tm30.by myself? ??????

I don't have the landlord I'D number or blue book or whatever it is called. ...I simply want to fill out a tm30 on paper  in CW myself and register me back in my room....without a fine or they telling me to get landlord to do it. .

I don't care if I spend all day on a Monday in CW doing it...simply can I get a tm30  receipt in my hand if I go to CW with my passport and room contract and tm7 and no details of my landlord which he won't give me even if I asked.

Please help. .I've had enough of this tm30  nonsense

Joe could confirm this, but IMO if you submit a TM28 then you have met the requirement of notifying a change of address. Then if the landlord refuses to do a TM30m then he should be the one who gets the fine as you've already notified your change of address. Remember Imm consider an overnight stay somewhere and then a return to your usual address to be 2 changes of address. Sounds dumb, but that's Thai logic for you.

Edited August 10, 2019 by TigerandDog
correction

[ignis]

2 hours ago, elviajero said:

Section 37 has nothing to do with TM.30 reporting (section 38).

 

However, if you leave the country your stay ends. When you return the address reporting laws kick in as if it were your first ever visit. A TM.30 is without question required -- in law -- if you leave and return to the country.

That is daft, there people that are here on 'VISA's and must do a out and in every 90 days, some live not far from a border crossing and in and out and back home within a hour or so...  They must do a TM 30  again ?

 

From time to time go to visit friends for a day = 8 - 10 hours overnight on a VIP bus, spend the day and return bus leaving @ 9 pm  = arrive home around 09:00  so have been away from home 40 + hours..   where do you report that you have not been at your home address for over the 24 hours ?

[onera1961]

4 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Just can hope they are told to change the law

They won't  change the law why should they? The only things on can do is to pay the fine and move on with their life. 

Edited August 10, 2019 by onera1961

[ubonjoe]

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