TM 30. Why are they treating us all like criminals?

[The Cobra]

35 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

 

As someone also in a wheelchair and dealing with constant pain, tell me that having to report to Immigration for idiot reasons won't be a physically painful exercise. (Been instructed I have to report my 90 dayers in person - doesn't work on line)

Your circumstances are not "the norm' by any stretch of the imagination. You cannot possibly apply your situation as falling in the generalisation of expats.

You are speaking of idiocy and inconvenience, ok I get that, but you are also expecting or possibly demanding some compassion for your situation from your local IO. They don't have any and it's an alien concept to themin my experience. They have to be good little followers and do exactly as instructed and if they can't put the peg in the hole of compliance that's not their problem and they don't care either. It becomes wholly your problem and upto you to provide the solution not them, until someone somewhere higher up the food chain tells them otherwise.

Edited August 10, 2019 by The Cobra

[Old Croc]

1 minute ago, The Cobra said:

When are people going to realise and accept that you comply, pay the fine or leave ! That's it you can follow the law, which has ALWAYS been there, just not enforced. Pay a fine if you don't do it, or just leave because you can't do step one or two.

 

Bitching moaning complaining getting all bitter and twisted achieves NOTHING ! You have no say, no vote, you either do it or don't. 

I have no idea of your medical status then or now, and whether you have been here 13 yrs or 13 days bares no relevance to the discussion as far as I can see. ,(No offence intended)

You really should try to comprehend what people are saying before allocating them an attitude. You've now decided I'm bitter and twisted and have a problem with the TM30.

Before you went on the attack, I was replying to a post by someone else who unrealistically stated all problems could be overcome essentially by ignoring them. I used a couple of examples of problems that can't be willed away. You decided that was a reason to have a go at me.

The TM30 is not a problem for me, I completed all the requirements several years ago and it is out of mind now on a personal level.  However, I do see it as an idiotic, outdated scheme and sympathize with those having difficulty meeting the rules and getting fined unreasonably.

Accepting everything that is grossly unfair or corrupt by saying leave if you don't like it, is actually a twisted point of view.

(no offence intended)

[ChipButty]

35 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

You can send anyone to do your 90 day reports.

My wife or the accountant does mine, Im not going I come out in a Rash 555 

[Old Croc]

6 minutes ago, The Cobra said:

Your circumstances are not "the norm' by any stretch of the imagination. You cannot possibly apply your situation as falling in the generalisation of expats.

You are speaking of idiocy and inconvenience, ok I get that, but you are also expecting or possibly demanding some compassion for your situation from your local IO. They don't have any and it's an alien concept to themin my experience. They have to be good little followers and do exactly as instructed and if they can't put the peg in the hole of compliance that's not their problem and they don't care either. It becomes wholly your problem and upto you to provide the solution not them, until someone somewhere higher up the food chain tells them otherwise.

You keep babbling on and causing me to continue refuting your slanted words. Firstly, when has "generalization" been the rule for posting on Thaivisa!!

When did I demand compassion from Immigration, you did read about how long I've been here didn't you? All I want from those officers is some consistency, and to not make up rules for individuals.  The legislation allows for agents to make reports and even extensions of stay. There's nothing written that states only paying agents are catered to. There's nothing in writing that states the existence of a drive-through means a person has to come in person.

I, and mine, do look after my individual requirements, that doesn't mean I, and thousands of others on this forum, won't complain about it. You, and your mate Mattzon, really should stop rolling over without a whimper and criticize the real problem makers, not the whistleblowers.

[IvorBiggun2]

25 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

I could be wrong, but don't they have a rule about the drive through thingy that says no agents? And perhaps they thought your wife was an agent.

About Oct 2018 that signage was put up outside all immigration offices and stll applies as far as I'm aware. Have saw nothing that sez different.

[Old Croc]

33 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

I could be wrong, but don't they have a rule about the drive through thingy that says no agents? And perhaps they thought your wife was an agent.

I hate having to explain everything in detail for some people.

Several reports ago, my lady went there to do my 90 day report. Walked in. They refused to accept it and told her I had to report in person because they now had a drive-through. We went back together the next day and also for the next report. The last one we tried again without me and she had difficulties with someone asking her for money. She refused and they reluctantly processed it. I think they thought her to be an agent.

 

You're correct, agents would not be allowed at the drive-though.  It's for 90 day reports, picking up passports and  TM30s that haven't changed. (after OS travel)

Edited August 10, 2019 by Old Croc

[onera1961]

2 hours ago, kellersphuket said:

Why are they doing this??? Are they terrified of us taking over or what?

May be. Thailand was never colonized may be they think this is a new form colonization. Based on the past performance, I don't blame the Thais. If one can afford and willing to pay the fine, TM 30 is meaningless. 

Edited August 10, 2019 by onera1961

[NoshowJones]

TM 30. Why are they treating us all like criminals?

Only one reason, because they can, Thailand immigration have no compassion at all, making older disabled people in wheelchairs do this T30 and 90 day reporting, go on border hops.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 2:32 PM, BestB said:

I do not think it’s the case at all. There is a law, they decided to apply this law. In typical Thai way of doing things no one thought through the consequences or logistics of it .

 

By law, landlords must do the reports which landlords do not do, so instead of working on that, they once again took an easy route without thinking by fining and forcing people.

 

Sooner or later it will backfire , just like everything else did and does, then they rethink it and come up with something less idiotic, but to keep the face it would be less idiot but just as annoying .

 

just look at what is happening . They claim rich Indians save tourism , which never happened , so to ride the wave they introducing free visa for them. As if rich were bothered by the visa fee, same with kaosan road, hotel license and everything else 

As you say, there is a law. It's been a law for ages. Why do people always assume just because a law is being enforced that it's some new evil plot to get farangs out of LOS?

 

If it's such an inconvenience that one has to leave LOS because of it, one doesn't like living in LOS enough.

Where does it say in the book of life that life is easy ( or fair )?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 8:13 PM, possum1931 said:

TM 30. Why are they treating us all like criminals?

Only one reason, because they can, Thailand immigration have no compassion at all, making older disabled people in wheelchairs do this T30 and 90 day reporting, go on border hops.

If the THAIS wanted disabled people to be exempt, they'd change the law.

Why does anyone think Thais have to care about farangs? We get to stay in their country very easily, have sex with their women very cheaply, live a life mostly unregulated by petty officialdom, as happens in western countries, and generally have a pretty good life in LOS.

If it takes jumping through some bureaucratic hoops a few times year to remain, so be it.

 

BTW, unless the "older disabled people in wheelchairs" live in their own house without a wife, they don't have to do TM 30, and 90 days can be done by mail or on line now.

Border hops can be done the same way they go to town, in a car or van. They've been doing it for decades, so it's not impossible.

[kellersphuket]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If the THAIS wanted disabled people to be exempt, they'd change the law.

Why does anyone think Thais have to care about farangs? We get to stay in their country very easily, have sex with their women very cheaply, live a life mostly unregulated by petty officialdom, as happens in western countries, and generally have a pretty good life in LOS.

If it takes jumping through some bureaucratic hoops a few times year to remain, so be it.

 

BTW, unless the "older disabled people in wheelchairs" live in their own house without a wife, they don't have to do TM 30, and 90 days can be done by mail or on line now.

Border hops can be done the same way they go to town, in a car or van. They've been doing it for decades, so it's not impossible.

Just listen to what you are saying.

 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why does anyone think Thais have to care about farangs?

Absolutely unbelievable. The mind boggles. 

[JAG]

59 minutes ago, kellersphuket said:

Just listen to what you are saying.

 

Absolutely unbelievable. The mind boggles. 

No, it is a very simple statement, explaining how things are. Nothing mind boggling about it (other than the thought of having sex in a wheelchair - I would have thought that there was nowhere near enough room). But I digress - TM30/90 day reports/reentry permits/TM6 et al, whilst tedious are not particularly onerous.

 

Earlier in the thread (post no 2) "Briggsy" gave a very cogent explanation as to why the policies are being implemented as they are. I would add to that, I suspect that the initial intention behind more rigorous implementation of the TM30 system is an attempt to get a handle on the very large number of migrant labourers from foreign (adjacent) countries who no longer live (or work) where they are so registered. It is not a conscious attempt to criminalise what is a statistically insignificant population of foreigners living here.

Edited August 12, 2019 by JAG

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, kellersphuket said:

Just listen to what you are saying.

 

Absolutely unbelievable. The mind boggles. 

In my experience Thais care about their THAI family, food, which is a very large part of their lives and talking on the phone which is almost grafted to their hand. Caring about farangs, other than how much they can get out of the farang ATM, does not figure highly, IMO.

 

Unfortunately many farangs like to think that they are actually important to Thais, as in "we contribute huge amounts to the Thai economy and they should respect us more". In actuality, farangs living in LOS contribute a small part of GDP, and they ( the hisos ) wouldn't really care if all farangs left tomorrow, IMO. It's not like they marry farangs, is it?

 

However, any farangs that want to think they are very important people in LOS are welcome to do so. Up to them.

 

BTW, I've had over 30 years in LOS, so I might possibly know more about it than some.

Edited August 12, 2019 by thaibeachlovers

[JimmyJ]

On 8/9/2019 at 7:26 PM, kellersphuket said:

I'm not a quitter. I'd rather be kicked out then I know for sure I am not wanted.

If they do kick you out, my grandfather's words come to mind -

 

"Tell them you've been kicked out of better places".