Who fears the Reaper ?

[mania]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I reckon that "life flashing before your eyes" is a myth. I thought I was going to die for sure, once, and my life did NOT flash before my eyes. All I felt was a feeling of "Oh, s<deleted>t.

That is because until your cord is severed your not getting into the theater.

Obviously yours was not severed as was anyone who lived to tell about it ????

[faraday]

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I thought you were referring to something else:-)

 

Seriously, I have an old body but the mental age that I had 30 years ago. Sadly my old brain doesn't remember much about the rumpty I had since.

Yup, I know what you mean......

 

I see a young lovely walking down the street, but can't quite remember what it is I'm supposed to do...

[nikmar]

Im going to take a cue from Red Dwarf .... "Im going out as I came in, kicking and screaming. Death comes for me, Im gonna rip his nipple off."

 

On a more serious note, it's nature. What's to be scared of. 

[Grusa]

3 hours ago, geronimo said:

Then you'll likely be stuck in Limbo!!

The Pope abolished Limbo last year........

[Grusa]

1 hour ago, Naam said:

same here. problem is will we have the mental as well as the physical ability to carry out what we planned without any third party assistance?

If we don't have the mental capacity, we won't care, will we?

[giddyup]

12 minutes ago, Grusa said:

If we don't have the mental capacity, we won't care, will we?

What about just the physical capabilities, ie paralysed or too ill to move?

[JamesBlond]

5 hours ago, soalbundy said:

The world is in harmony due to opposites, long needs short to be long, up needs down to be up, good needs evil to be good, life needs death for there to be life. Life has a dream like quality about it, sit in meditation in front of a tree, forget 'me', and you realize it isn't real, it is a manifestation like yourself, all the sages have known this for thousands of years, only the mind makes things real, the mind is very persistent, it clamours to be heard but understands nothing, it rejects being finite but knows it is. You are a film running on a screen and yet you aren't aware of the screen, the film ends but the impersonal screen remains, it doesn't care what film is running on its surface, it alone is real. What is running the film? now there's a question which can't be answered.

 

I should say the dreamlike quality is the illusion, and the tree is very real indeed. In other words, facing death wide-eyed is a real bummer. Sounds like your solution to death is to throw up a smokescreen of twaddle, which must be great if you can believe it.

[Naam]

16 minutes ago, Grusa said:

2 hours ago, Naam said:

same here. problem is will we have the mental as well as the physical ability to carry out what we planned without any third party assistance?

If we don't have the mental capacity, we won't care, will we?

wrong! i've seen my mother and my father suffering for months, being in hospitals wired and piped begging for ending it. but no euthanasy option in my home country. with IVs in both arms, a catheter up your pecker and your pampers full of it what actions are possible without a third party assisting?

[Grusa]

12 minutes ago, Naam said:

wrong! i've seen my mother and my father suffering for months, being in hospitals wired and piped begging for ending it. but no euthanasy option in my home country. with IVs in both arms, a catheter up your pecker and your pampers full of it what actions are possible without a third party assisting?

But that's lacking physical capacity.  Lacking mental capacity is not knowing or caring what you've got stuck where. The relatives suffer, not the patient. I agree, being a prisoner in your own body is not a desirable state, and very difficult to end.

[Catoni]

6 hours ago, alfalfa19 said:

I've had a couple of near death experiences, one of them quite horrific.   Previous to that , i had a very lackadaisical mindset about death, thinking i had a philosophical and mature outlook on the big dirt nap.  However, after my near fatality,  I discovered that I really, really, really want to live.  I went into a severe depression for a couple of months after my NDE, because it really brought home to me that we have to leave this world at some point , and that realization was quite painful. 

Leaving this world, is just a natural as entering it. Dying, is just as natural as being born. 

    Nothing enters life...that will not at some point leave it. 

    It is simply our own minds and thoughts that create the fear.

   In reality, there should not really be reason to fear death. 

    I was “...on pump..”, my heart shut down for more than two hours for cardiac bypass surgery...after being told I had a two to four percent chance of dying on the operating table. That sounds like great odds. But when it is your life, all of a sudden two to four percent chance that you will never wake up sounds like a lot. 

    When I did wake, I was in more pain than I had ever experienced. A cop who had the same surgery had been shot three times in the chest with .45s and a 9mm over his many years of service (luckily surviving before they wore bullet proof vests) said that every time he sneezed with the bypass..it hurt as much as being shot in the chest and maybe more. 

   I have hay fever...I had a lot of explosive sneezes while recovering from my CABG x 4 surgery. I can’t imagine the process of dying hurting more. I survived the pain.... still here. 

    Until your chest bone (which has to be sawn apart with a bone saw) and other parts grow back together...it’s pretty bad. (They wire your chest bone back together with stainless steel wire which remains in you as the bone grows together and heals. Fun at some airport metal detectors. But some don’t seem to detect it.)

    Not afraid of death anymore. If the pain is as bad as I’ve experienced before losing consciousness, I’ll get through it. 

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[Catoni]

4 hours ago, geronimo said:

agree that the other side could be nothing

Well, if it’s nothing, then you’ve got nothing to worry about do you? Because there will not be a “you” to be aware of the nothing. 

    It will be like being asleep with no dreaming. No self awareness. No thoughts. Total non-existence. 

    But it will last for all eternity. So don’t worry. It will be just fine. 

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[Catoni]

1 hour ago, Grusa said:

The Pope abolished Limbo last year........

Wow!!!  The Pope has the power to abolish Limbo????  Did God give the Pope permission and the power to do that? 

   

[Naam]

14 minutes ago, Catoni said:

 I have hay fever...I had a lot of explosive sneezes while recovering from my CABG x 4 surgery. I can’t imagine the process of dying hurting more. I survived the pain.... still here. 

my experience after quadruple coronary and double aorta bypasses was extremely weak but hardly any pain. by the way, one of the five titanium clamps wiring my chestbone together opened but does not cause any problems.

[Catoni]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That is the million $ question. It's easy to kill oneself if life is bad enough, but if life isn't that bad, even though our bodies are failing and the rest home beckons with all it's horrors, will we still have the dedication to risk even worse physical impairment through a botched suicide bid?

I read about a guy who tried to off himself with a pistol shot to his head. Blew part of his skull off and did a lot of brain damage, but somehow they managed to save his life. 

  The miracles of modern surgery. 

Today he is a drooling permanently brain damaged “vegetable” being taken care of 24/7/365 in a nursing home who has no control over his urination and no control over his feces passing. They have to keep cleaning up after him and he wears diapers and a catheter for urine collections. All he does is mumble unintelligently and stare at nothing. 

     

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[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, Catoni said:

I read about a guy who tried to off himself with a pistol shot to his head. Blew part of his skull off and did a lot of brain damage, but somehow they managed to save his life. 

  The miracles of modern surgery. 

Today he is a drooling permanently brain damaged “vegetable” being taken care of 24/7/365 in a nursing home...

     

......................and most probably spending most of his days posting on Thai Visa

[CharlieH]

Not afraid of death at all, if its my time, so be it, I just hope its painless.

 

As I am sure as others have said (not read the previous 8 pages), exactly the same as every evening when you sleep, the difference being, you dont wake in the morning, you have no idea your actually dead, I believe.

 

Hence the expression when someone sleeps heavily "dead to the world" , except in this case you would actually be dead. Some believe there  is more after death, personally I think thats just a comfort blanket to cope with the inevitable that that's it, your done, there is no more and your time has passed.

[Catoni]

13 minutes ago, Naam said:

my experience after quadruple coronary and double aorta bypasses was extremely weak but hardly any pain. by the way, one of the five titanium clamps wiring my chestbone together opened but does not cause any problems.

They use stainless steel wire in the hospital I had mine done in. My chest bone grew back together nicely with time. I can sleep on my side again now with no pain.

    I have some things made of titanium, including my eyeglass frames and belt buckle. Amazing metal. It would have been great for them to use some form of titanium wire or clamps for me. But I guess there is nothing wrong with some good medical grade stainless steel wire as long as it’s inert in the body and does the job. 

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[vogie]

My father knew when he was going to die........a judge told him.

[Oztruckie]

Don't think about it,when yr number is up that's it,just hope I go quickly with minimum of suffering and inconvenience to others around me,whether in a bar or crossing the road.

[Grusa]

5 hours ago, Catoni said:

Wow!!!  The Pope has the power to abolish Limbo????  Did God give the Pope permission and the power to do that? 

   

Apparently so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1549439/The-Pope-ends-state-of-limbo-after-800-years.html

[Golden Triangle]

Someone replied a few pages back ( I can't find it now) about what was on the other side, if anything, I can relate a totally true story, I swear on my children's lives is true.

 

I very good friend of mine was the landlord of our local pub back in the UK, a bit quirky, and if ever the right thread comes up I can post some of his classic answers to innocent requests from customers, anyway I digress.

 

It was Easter bank holiday back in the UK, Good Friday in fact, he and his wife were behind the bar serving during a very busy afternoon session, it was a lovely afternoon as it was a small village and everyone knew everyone else, so a nice relaxed Bank Holiday afternoon.

 

I was sitting in my usual seat in the bay window directly facing the entrance to get behind the bar, next minute my mate Keith the landlord went down like a sack of spuds, I shot from my seat to behind the bar, checked his pulse & breathing - nothing.

 

I got him on his back, and started CPR I also shouted for someone to call an ambulance and for someone else to go get a mate of mine who was at the time a St John's Ambulance instructor ( he was a highly paid professional training various work based and organisational groups in First Aid) 

 

I continued with the CPR for a while longer until my mate came and took over for a while, then the Paramedics arrived, 

 

Suffice to say that Keith survived the day was taken to hospital and once he was strong enough he had a pace maker fitted, he lasted maybe 2 years after that.

 

The point of the story is that when he came home from hospital I sat with him one afternoon in the bar and asked him if he remembered anything, he told me that he remembers nothing, no tunnels with a light at the end, none of this life flashing before his eyes or brain, diddly squat. so what's it all about eh ?

 

Just enjoy what you have guys n gals cos at the end of the day we are all dust. ???? 

[cobra]

12 hours ago, giddyup said:

What about just the physical capabilities, ie paralysed or too ill to move?

There is legal euthanasia in places,

I believe in the Netherlands with two Doctor's signatures, a contracted 3rd party can help with self-deliberation ala Kevorkian style,

There was a PBS documentary on it, patient had ALS, like Stephen Hawking, 

It all looked quite pleasant with soothing music, environment, etc.

 

With the aging global population, those with some means I think services like this will be commonplace, lets hope.

 

Edited August 13, 2019 by cobra

[geronimo]

20 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

True story.

When I was doing my maternity training, I looked after many babies. There was one though, that after being born was looking around with what appeared to be a curious expression. After he went to sleep and woke up, he had lost that look, and was just like all the other babies- lacking any conscious thought except wanting to be fed.

I'd like to think that that baby still had the awareness from the "other side" after being born, but lost it when he went to sleep. That's why I think there is consciousness on the other side of this existence, and we go back there after we die.

I guess that's why babies cry, having just endured a miserable existence, then they have to do it all again!

[Farang99]

20 hours ago, Grusa said:

If we don't have the mental capacity, we won't care, will we?

 

18 hours ago, Catoni said:

Well, if it’s nothing, then you’ve got nothing to worry about do you? Because there will not be a “you” to be aware of the nothing. 

    It will be like being asleep with no dreaming. No self awareness. No thoughts. Total non-existence. 

    But it will last for all eternity. So don’t worry. It will be just fine. 

To die? To sleep. Aye there's the rub, for when we've shuffled off this mortal coil who knows what dreams may come?

 

With apologies to Shakespeare - from memory.

[Catoni]

1 hour ago, Farang99 said:

 

To die? To sleep. Aye there's the rub, for when we've shuffled off this mortal coil who knows what dreams may come?

 

With apologies to Shakespeare - from memory.

Thank you very much. 

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[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎8‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 6:17 PM, Catoni said:

I read about a guy who tried to off himself with a pistol shot to his head. Blew part of his skull off and did a lot of brain damage, but somehow they managed to save his life. 

  The miracles of modern surgery. 

Today he is a drooling permanently brain damaged “vegetable” being taken care of 24/7/365 in a nursing home who has no control over his urination and no control over his feces passing. They have to keep cleaning up after him and he wears diapers and a catheter for urine collections. All he does is mumble unintelligently and stare at nothing. 

     

Too many people in the world and the money could have been used to help young people with all their lives ahead.

Seems to me that society has gone stark raving lunatic to save a suicide that will never be OK.

[sniggie]

Thought I'd wait for a while before posting as I might ramble a bit but no other poster has covered my concerns. I remember talking to my father (who died a couple of years ago at 101) about death. He was, of course, much closer to it than I hopefully am and was getting a little tired of life. My view was that I didn't want to die because I always  would want to know what happens next. Now I'm not so enthusiastic about the future. I can't pinpoint the moment when this happened.  Maybe as far back as 9/11. Maybe the day Concorde stopped flying. Or perhaps the Global Financial Crisis and our (UK) government's dreadful austerity policies. And then there's Brexit.

 

I am honestly starting to believe that life isn't going to get better. I have this dread that we have already had the best of times. I find it hard to reconcile myself to the fact that I am a citizen of a country where people have to sleep in doorways or go to food banks. It is to my mind regrettable that after the upheaval of WW2 a fairer type of society didn't emerge, that there hasn't been much in the way of successful socialist states. In my younger years the UK did seem to be supportive of all it's citizens but now not so much.

 

I remember as a boy going every year to the Farnborough Air Show to see all the fantastic creations of the early jet age. Now all planes look the same. I also remember reading an article recounting someone growing up in North London before the way excited watching all the new creations of Sir Nigel Gresley.  Modern trains are fast and efficient but the improvements are mainly invisible. They also all look the same (probably because half of them seem to be made by Siemens!)    I know that all the work being done in the field of electronics is fantastic in it's own right but I already have more technology that I can possibly need and further developments leave me cold.

 

So, yes, I don't want to die but at least when I do I won't feel that I'm missing out on the future. I don't think it will be all that exciting or as enjoyable as I had hoped.  

 

    

[Farang99]

21 hours ago, sniggie said:

Thought I'd wait for a while before posting as I might ramble a bit but no other poster has covered my concerns. I remember talking to my father (who died a couple of years ago at 101) about death. He was, of course, much closer to it than I hopefully am and was getting a little tired of life. My view was that I didn't want to die because I always  would want to know what happens next. Now I'm not so enthusiastic about the future. I can't pinpoint the moment when this happened.  Maybe as far back as 9/11. Maybe the day Concorde stopped flying. Or perhaps the Global Financial Crisis and our (UK) government's dreadful austerity policies. And then there's Brexit.

 

I am honestly starting to believe that life isn't going to get better. I have this dread that we have already had the best of times. I find it hard to reconcile myself to the fact that I am a citizen of a country where people have to sleep in doorways or go to food banks. It is to my mind regrettable that after the upheaval of WW2 a fairer type of society didn't emerge, that there hasn't been much in the way of successful socialist states. In my younger years the UK did seem to be supportive of all it's citizens but now not so much.

 

I remember as a boy going every year to the Farnborough Air Show to see all the fantastic creations of the early jet age. Now all planes look the same. I also remember reading an article recounting someone growing up in North London before the way excited watching all the new creations of Sir Nigel Gresley.  Modern trains are fast and efficient but the improvements are mainly invisible. They also all look the same (probably because half of them seem to be made by Siemens!)    I know that all the work being done in the field of electronics is fantastic in it's own right but I already have more technology that I can possibly need and further developments leave me cold.

 

So, yes, I don't want to die but at least when I do I won't feel that I'm missing out on the future. I don't think it will be all that exciting or as enjoyable as I had hoped.  

 

    

After WW2 Attlee attempted to engineer a fairer society, which benefited many people of my age, but the voters were fed up with austerity and voted him out after one term.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎8‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 3:38 PM, sniggie said:

I am honestly starting to believe that life isn't going to get better.

It isn't, and it's caused by overpopulation, the elephant in the room that no politician wants to mention. Too many poor people wanting the goodies that we have ( of course we in the west had great lives while most of the world's population had <deleted> <deleted> lives. Even being black in the US meant life was not great.

Nevertheless, I had a great life, and that life has gone, and it ain't coming back, because of excessive immigration, greed and an insane obsession with technology.

 

On ‎8‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 3:38 PM, sniggie said:

I remember as a boy going every year to the Farnborough Air Show to see all the fantastic creations of the early jet age. Now all planes look the same.

Check out who makes the real things in the world, and it isn't the west.

The British innovation, which was second to none post WW2 has vanished.

Planes, LOL, look at cars- the only difference is the badge, and they are all computerised- can't fix them ourselves any more, so who benefits from that?

 

On ‎8‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 3:38 PM, sniggie said:

I already have more technology that I can possibly need and further developments leave me cold.

It's now technology for technology's sake, not because it makes our lives better. Internet was fine for me when it was before 3 G- did everything I wanted. Now I have to use MS version 10 because MS are <deleted> that won't support previous versions, for greed ( BTW 7 was far better than 10 IMO ).

Now they want 5G and the sheeple are wetting themselves- for what? So they can steal movies faster?

 

They flew to the moon on a computer with less power than a modern toaster, so they say, and that was an age when we were better off, IMO. Modern life sucks, and it's making people crazy.