6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If we don't leave, it will be the end of democracy in the UK.

Too late. Britain has a parliamentary democracy. Boris has seen an end to that.

1 hour ago, Brigand said:

There is a good reason why proroguing parliament exists and is possible and it looks like/could be argued that the UK is heading for a situation where it's needed. Johnson is just playing the remainers plus EU at their own game, who incidentally, were more than willing to try to take over parliament from an elected government whilst the Speaker just makes it up as he goes along (that's called a coup). Perhaps all those that are whinging should look up why this possibility is an option. Secondly, it's the Queen that suspends parliament and she can't be taken to court as all crimes are against the Crown ... hence why the CPS is called that. I am aware that the rabid anti-UK brigade will have a hissy-fit at all this.

Well said.

4 hours ago, Forethat said:

Or even grown up men lying on the ground, screaming and kicking? Very much like a three year old at Tesco's, really... 

don,t insult the remainers like that,i,m sure they mean well.

Yea! my smiley faces are back. Cheers nauseous, I've really missed them.

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Wonder what would happen if she just said "No".

She might - however what she will have to do now is seek legal advice - history will show dragging the queen into Bojo's mire will come back and bite him that's for sure !

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Too late. Britain has a parliamentary democracy. Boris has seen an end to that.

parliament is representitive of the people,not to itself,thats called a dictatorship.

4 hours ago, Pilotman said:

The government would be forced to call an immediate election.  Fortunately, she is not in a constitutional position to say no.  

100% wrong - why do you think he's ASKING her and not INFORMING her ?

47 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Whats your point?

Just heard a Tory Brexiteer worried that BoJo is going to steamroller what appears to a backstopless (more or less) tweaked WA through parliament. This isn't the Brexit you have dreamed about for 3 years after you punched the air way back so you will have lost as will we all. Farage is starting to lob a few grenades BoJo's way as well. I'll settle for that if that's what he gets. But will you Brexiteers who are lauding his cunning and command of power if it goes that way. As long as he kills you lot off metaphorically I will give him a hip hip. Anyway back top your wet dream No Deal and a crumbling pound if that keeps you happy....

 

One thing Boris ain't is stupid and he well knows that No Deal is the most stupidest and destructive act since the war -so he won't do it. But has played a blinder with the EU and now the Brexiteer numbskulls. Don't worry when it happens we will dance on your Brexit grave  -drive a stake through it's heart and scheme how we can get back in in time. Which will be the Swiss/Norway model - lauded by Farage at the time I seem to remember.

13 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

On that we agree. And as there's no chance of a deal, it's a no deal brexit. I repeat were the people made aware of this before the referendum? No, they were assured that it was going to be the easiest deal ever, a deal that would be beneficial to the UK. I think that most people have seen through those lies now and wouldn't vote for a no deal brexit today.

I think David Cameron did his best to explain as much as he could, he did outline the implications of voting to leave, probably over the top in my opinion. So yes the public were well informed, those that chose to be anyway. 

I think you are referring to Dr Liam Fox when you say "easiest deal ever" he often gets misquoted and he did say a lot more than that, but for some reason remainers seem fixated on just those few words.

 

I think that most people have seen through those lies now and wouldn't vote for a no deal brexit today.

Again you don't know that, purely speculation, I would turn the argument around and say that now people are more aware of the way the EU operates there would be more people voting to leave.

12 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

and if the people were heard TODAY, as opposed to over three years ago, the result would be ? 

The same + +

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

parliament is representitive of the people,not to itself,thats called a dictatorship.

It has a mandate from the people to do whatever it sees as best for the country. Remove that power, as Boris has done, and, as you correctly say, you have a dictatorship.

7 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Yea! my smiley faces are back. Cheers nauseous, I've really missed them.

YQW

4 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

100% wrong - why do you think he's ASKING her and not INFORMING her ?

Leavers have manners, follow good form, and are sophisticated.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

think that most people have seen through those lies now and wouldn't vote for a no deal brexit today.

Again you don't know that, purely speculation, I would turn the argument around and say that now people are more aware of the way the EU operates there would be more people voting to leave.

Not speculation all recent polls have shown that the majority are not in favour of a no deal brexit.

 

If you're so shure, why not have a confirmatory vote? No deal vs remain?

57 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

The triumph of hope over experience (companies moving to Europe, job losses, farmers freaking out and Sterling falling through the floor). 

"farmers freaking out"why pray tell?

3 hours ago, stuandjulie said:

Yep H2S looking like being cancelled, not the 20,000 extra police promised, pound still falling, trying to suspend parliament on the sly.

Doing a great job.

 

You're forgetting he stated the 585 page Theresa May deal 'is dead' headline grabbing statement right ?

 

Only hang on Bojo and the unelected crony Cummings seem to be back rowing a tad - it is only the backstop that is the issue we're now told - everything else of Mays deal they are ok with. (not surprising given Bojo actually voted FOR it, but brexiteers don't like to be reminded of that)

 

So in essence after the grandstanding statements to get elected, 580 pages have suddenly come back to life !!!

 

Its a miracle !

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

Not speculation all recent polls have shown that the majority are not in favour of a no deal brexit.

 

If you're so shure, why not have a confirmatory vote? No deal vs remain?

Recent polls, ha ha ha, I'll stick with the definitive referendum result thanks.

11 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

100% wrong - why do you think he's ASKING her and not INFORMING her ?

protocal

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

"farmers freaking out"why pray tell?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/09/farmer-no-deal-brexit-eu-agriculture-food-britain

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49321597

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-will-sheep-farmers-suffer-in-a-no-deal-brexit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/boris-johnsons-no-deal-brexit-could-lead-british-lambs-to-slaughter/2019/08/15/274f95d6-b78e-11e9-8e83-4e6687e99814_story.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-47441182

 

That should be enough for you to be getting on with. Let me know when you are done, because there are a load more articles about British farmers and No-deal Brexit.

Queen accepts request to suspend Parliament

BBC chief political correspondent tweets...

 

 

5 hours ago, david555 said:

But it will for sure get revenged in any next G.E.  on the Conservatives   

 

 

     Really , what is the alternative , to vote for the oppostion / or not bother to vote ..

     UK, is  finished , self inflicted .  No sympathy from me ,  ex voter ..

 

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Just heard a Tory Brexiteer worried that BoJo is going to steamroller what appears to a backstopless (more or less) tweaked WA through parliament. This isn't the Brexit you have dreamed about for 3 years after you punched the air way back so you will have lost as will we all. Farage is starting to lob a few grenades BoJo's way as well. I'll settle for that if that's what he gets. But will you Brexiteers who are lauding his cunning and command of power if it goes that way. As long as he kills you lot off metaphorically I will give him a hip hip. Anyway back top your wet dream No Deal and a crumbling pound if that keeps you happy....

 

One thing Boris ain't is stupid and he well knows that No Deal is the most stupidest and destructive act since the war -so he won't do it. But has played a blinder with the EU and now the Brexiteer numbskulls. Don't worry when it happens we will dance on your Brexit grave  -drive a stake through it's heart and scheme how we can get back in in time. Which will be the Swiss/Norway model - lauded by Farage at the time I seem to remember.

You and I don't know what Boris knows or doesn't know. BOJO can't steamroller anything with his majority of one. But him offering that rubbish WA with a tweaked backstop may be a possibility, I agree, sadly. 

 

However, I wouldn't celebrate too much yet. And if you dance anything like Theresa May, all the occupants of the cemetery will rise up and spook you to eternity. ????  

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

Queen accepts request to suspend Parliament

BBC chief political correspondent tweets...

 

 

An uneqivocable argument for Britain to become a republic.

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

and the pound just took a dive..... 37.34 baht good job Boris keep it up and it will reach 35 by tomorrow morning

Bit harsh - not a single brexiteer has taken responsibility for the pound plunge (cos its happened in Australia as well apparently!) - albeit a subject brexiteers avoid like the plague so you shouldn't be blaming them apparently !

 

One eminent, but ineligible, brexiteer on here even claimed its RISING yesterday !! 

 

Ohhh good opportunity for the 21st time now to ask a brexiteer why the pound isn't rising given their well costed, researched and universally acclaimed new dawn ? ……..

3 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

And how many voted to listen to that kind of pathetic caviling? The result was OUT, no conditions attached.

Should have got out two years ago with zero fuss, but we put a woman in charge - there's a lesson for everyone.

 

Racist, sexist - the brexiteer CV gets better and better …..

Bit harsh - not a single brexiteer has taken responsibility for the pound plunge (cos its happened in Australia as well apparently!) - albeit a subject brexiteers avoid like the plague so you shouldn't be blaming them apparently !

 

One eminent, but ineligible, brexiteer on here even claimed its RISING yesterday !! 

 

Ohhh good opportunity for the 21st time now to ask a brexiteer why the pound isn't rising given their well costed, researched and universally acclaimed new dawn ? ……..

 

Correction: the pound plunged at 0936 GMT due to PM Proroguing Parliament announcement & since then has returned at lunchtime.

 

Balanced facts please.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You and I don't know what Boris knows or doesn't know. BOJO can't steamroller anything with his majority of one. But him offering that rubbish WA with a tweaked backstop may be a possibility, I agree, sadly. 

 

However, I wouldn't celebrate too much yet. And if you dance anything like Theresa May, all the occupants of the cemetery will rise up and spook you to eternity. ????  

But Nauseus surely that is the point?  He can't steamroll parliament, so he has shut it down.  There was a remainer on here earlier who was saying that this came out of the blue, but I have to say he is a little lacking.  This has been in the works for some time, and when it was being talked about before, it wasn't about a brave new raft of legislation, it was about defeating the anti-Briexit coalition.

 

I genuinely hope that your positive predictions of the future come to pass.  I think poor ol' blighty has suffered enough for now, blame who you will.

1 hour ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Just as there wasnt during the Brexit campaign. Remainers just used it after the fact of Leave result. Nor when the NI good Friday peace agreement was signed was there any mention of Europe.

The Good Friday Agreement, signed in 1998, brought an end to sectarian conflict and established power-sharing in Northern Ireland. The agreement assumes EU membership for both the UK and Ireland and makes provisions for the UK and Irish governments to co-operate on EU matters. Taken from here https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/ireland-brexit So we were both in the EU as we both joined at the same time in 1973, therefore not relevant then in the slightest.

 

5 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Bit harsh - not a single brexiteer has taken responsibility for the pound plunge (cos its happened in Australia as well apparently!) - albeit a subject brexiteers avoid like the plague so you shouldn't be blaming them apparently !

 

One eminent, but ineligible, brexiteer on here even claimed its RISING yesterday !! 

 

Ohhh good opportunity for the 21st time now to ask a brexiteer why the pound isn't rising given their well costed, researched and universally acclaimed new dawn ? ……..

perhaps its because the "markets"[the shiny arsed spivs in the city]have sniffed an earner because of the pucker factor championed by the remainers

6 minutes ago, citybiker said:

 

Correction: the pound plunged at 0936 GMT due to PM Proroguing Parliament announcement & since then has returned at lunchtime.

 

Balanced facts please.

 

 

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I'll make do with facts. It hasn't recovered.