Opponents of 'no-deal' Brexit defeat PM Johnson, who promises an election

[Bruntoid]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

That's a new one on me. ????

 

I saw the BBC trying to spin it as Parliament vs. the government, but never the people vs. the government.

 

In reality this is Parliament vs. the people.

Is it ? I’m a people, parliament did just grand ! 

 

Seems to be be a lot of happy forums around today 

 

You’re behind the times 

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

is that the best you can do,coming out with childish,racist remarks?

His remark wasn't racist.

You already reacted to his post and got laughed at, same should happen here.

[beautifulthailand99]

Johnson flanneling away in HoC PMQ's - as ever no answer to what he is doing towards a deal which is of course f'all. 

[oldhippy]

9 minutes ago, kingdong said:

is that the best you can do,coming out with childish,racist remarks?

Where's the racism in my remark? If there is, please report it, and I will get banned.

[beautifulthailand99]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

His remark wasn't racist.

You already reacted to his post and got laughed at, same should happen here.

I think he was trying to be ironic and yes he wasn't racist unlike some of the leavers on here. Who are unashamedly anti-immigrant - whilst loving Thailand and most probably Thai women. But then consistency was never a big part in the leavers canon. But we should remember that not all leavers are racist but all racists are leavers. 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Krugman's thoughts on the EU mirror mine and many other remainers.  No one wanted the Euro and we didn't get it. Same with the Shengen agreement. Same with Thatcher's hard fought for rebate.. Same with taking a percentage of Merkel's 2m refugees. There are many examples of us kicking back against the EU and UK winning the day.

 

Slaves to the EU oligarchs? Never have been, never will be. All a Brexiteer fantasy/ Cummings lie. We're Brits for crying out loud, we should be staying and fighting to retain our rightful place near the top of the largest trading block in the world. Not running and hiding like a scolded dog, hiding in a corner until we starve and die.

 

Remainers, the true Brits, are fighting back, unlike the spineless Brexiteer surrender monkeys. Bunch of limp wristed toffs.

 

"Once more unto the breach my friends

I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,

Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:

Follow your spirit, and upon this charge

Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'

Come on lads, time to put some cold steel into those spineless, Eton Toff Brexiteers. They're on their knees, let's finish'em off!

We have awoken and the lion roars!

 

 

 

wasn,t "the hard rebate"thatcher got the one blair gave  back? they,ve been laughing at us ever since we joined.i take it you were too young to remember the erm fiasco which led to the depression in the late 80s,well get ready for another one,do you honestly think we could ever  go back into europe after whats happened in the last 3 years,and if we did how long is the eu going to last?

[kingdong]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

His remark wasn't racist.

You already reacted to his post and got laughed at, same should happen here.

he was accusing brexiteers of being racist,still thats what remainers are good at, playing the race card when they haven,t got an answer.

[oldhippy]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

wasn,t "the hard rebate"thatcher got the one blair gave  back? they,ve been laughing at us ever since we joined.i take it you were too young to remember the erm fiasco which led to the depression in the late 80s,well get ready for another one,do you honestly think we could ever  go back into europe after whats happened in the last 3 years,and if we did how long is the eu going to last?

QUOTE: they,ve been laughing at us ever since we joined.

 

Maybe you should google "calimero complex".

[Bruntoid]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, Krugman didn't say that. First off, the Euro came after there were common policies. Krugman has always been critical of the Euro as have most American economists.  It doesn't make sense to have currency union without a fiscal union. That said, Krugman is a strong supporter of the EU and still is. He has been extremely level-headed about all this. He has repeatedly said that that Brexit wouldn't ultimately be a disaster for the UK. It would permanently slow economic growth, Not the same thing as a disaster. But he has pointed out that the way it was being implemented, with very inept. 

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?uri=nyt://newsletter/7767159b-1a16-4415-b45f-87c29abcf478&te=1&nl=paul-krugman&emc=edit_pk_20190903?campaign_id=116&instance_id=12088&segment_id=16684&user_id=75c53372f4485d2db73ee54150e9fa69&regi_id=3846620

 

Can’t disagree however the world currency is the dollar - anything encroaching on that will face stiff resistance from the US! 

 

Didn’t Saddam Hussein try to convince OPEC to price oil in euros ? that didn’t end too well 

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

wasn,t "the hard rebate"thatcher got the one blair gave  back? they,ve been laughing at us ever since we joined.i take it you were too young to remember the erm fiasco which led to the depression in the late 80s,well get ready for another one,do you honestly think we could ever  go back into europe after whats happened in the last 3 years,and if we did how long is the eu going to last?

Usual complete nonsense from a surrender monkey Brexiteer.

The rebate wasn't given back, we're still benefiting from it today. One of the beefs that our haters (the French) still have against us.

 

The late 80's had nothing to do with the EU, the City YUPPIEs had inflated a bubble, sanctioned by Thatcher, as she engineered their rise as part of her master plan to destroy British manufacturing and create a service economy. The bubble predictably burst, leaving Thatcher with egg on her face.

 

Now back in your corner and await your fate.

[oldhippy]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

he was accusing brexiteers of being racist,still thats what remainers are good at, playing the race card when they haven,t got an answer.

How does that make my remark racist?

Once again, report me to the administrators for racism, PLEASE.

(or alternatively, look in the mirror)

[oldhippy]

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Usual complete nonsense from a surrender monkey Brexiteer.

The rebate wasn't given back, we're still benefiting from it today. One of the beefs that our haters (the French) still have against us.

 

The late 80's had nothing to do with the EU, the City YUPPIEs had inflated a bubble, sanctioned by Thatcher, as she engineered their rise as part of her master plan to destroy British manufacturing and create a service economy. The bubble predictably burst, leaving Thatcher with egg on her face.

 

Now back in your corner and await your fate.

QUOTE: The rebate wasn't given back, we're still benefiting from it today. One of the beefs that our haters (the French) still have against us.

 

Why single out the French? All Europeans hold this against you.

Ah! If Europeans could vote on UK in or out......

With remainers like this, who needs brexiteers?

[beautifulthailand99]

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

he was accusing brexiteers of being racist,still thats what remainers are good at, playing the race card when they haven,t got an answer.

A hard core of intransigent racists got the Leave over the line. Though most leavers are honest,hardworking good citizens some with understandable concerns on mass immigration. Cumming very cleverly and subtly played on those fears of people left behind and feeling under siege in their lives and then used social media to propagate and amplify these opinions. And then offering simplistic, nationalistic sound bite solutions straight out of the Bannon/Trump playbook. Without Cummings and 'racism' Leave would never have won. 

[kingdong]

"report it" like telling teacher?no wonder you got bullied at school.

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

QUOTE: The rebate wasn't given back, we're still benefiting from it today. One of the beefs that our haters (the French) still have against us.

 

Why single out the French? All Europeans hold this against you.

Ah! If Europeans could vote on UK in or out......

With remainers like this, who needs brexiteers?

I'm confused now I thought oldhippy was broadly on our side ?

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, sirineou said:

How from my post did you ascertain that I am "guessing, the UK is strong enough to retain our United Kingdom  "???? I am not guessing anything, this is what is being reported.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/sturgeon-seek-legal-powers-hold-new-scottish-independence-referendum

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/31/sinn-fein-border-poll-ireland-unity-must-follow-no-deal-brexit

Hopefully none of that will happen, but reporting seems to indicate that there is a good chance that it will.

As an American , I have the advantage of being able to look at this from the outside and see the forest rather than the trees, and from my perspective it does not look good, but have the disadvantage of not organically through natural osmosis feeling the thing so I could be wrong and could be missing a crucial factor. 

  I happen to like and enjoy my British friends on both sides of this issue and hope I am wrong.

I will tell you this. while listening to Bloomberg Financial news a currencies expert was being interviewed concerning the latest devaluation of sterling. He was asked if at this low price if it was time to buy, his reply "No, it has not hit bottom yet" and I paraphrase  "the price sterling enjoyed was do to valuations reflecting UK's relation to the EU, and UK cohesion, both of these are now an open question "

I sincerely, (really mean it) wish you all the best luck.

 

 

Producing 'evidence' from the Guardian is laughable, you are reading other peoples opinions, and that's all they are, 'opinions' heavily biased at that. So guessing or opinions it is all the same, there are better references than the the left wing rag Guardian.

I don't think being an American gives you an advantage of what is going to happen, infact I would have thought quite the opposite, but your opinion will always be welcome and if not always taken on board.

The whole of Brexit has been handled very badly, we have had 3 wasted years, now Boris Johnson has taken over a divided parliament and is doing his best to deliver what was promised to the citizens of country, there are too many MPs who have no belief in their own country anymore or have become so EUfied they are trying to sabotage the vote that was Brexit.

Of course everybody is entitled to an opinion, even our remainer MPs, but they are being disingenuous to say the least when they say they want to stop a no deal Brexit, when infact they want to cancel Brexit all together.

As for where sterling is, this whole charade should have been finalised a long time ago and we would be seeing a rise and not a fall in our currency.

Thanks for your offer of luck, but that is the least of our problems, decent politicians is what we are devoid of at this present time.

[JamesBlond]

First of all, those who start screaming 'waaaa-cist' whenever discussion of immigration comes up should be blocked from further participation in the thread (if only such a thing were possible) due to obstructionist baiting. We need to talk about this issue as it is a large part of the matter in hand.

 

Secondly, the accusation is largely meaningless when simply applied to a preference for one's own culture. If that is 'racism', then everyone on earth is 'racist'.

 

Thirdly, indigenous British supporters of immigration (it seems that there are some apart from the politicians desperate to deliver economic growth) are guilty of actual (active, patronising, pernicious) racism themselves (gasp!) because we all know that the primary reason immigrants are let in is to do the dirty work for low pay and form a new underclass - which is only one degree above slavery, though no one one either side is allowed to acknowledge that.

Personally I prefer to treat foreigners with more respect than to import them as cheap human capital.

The Britain (and Europe) I would like to see - towards which Brexit is the first step - will have an altogether more rational (and humane) immigration policy.

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Producing 'evidence' from the Guardian is laughable, you are reading other peoples opinions, and that's all they are, 'opinions' heavily biased at that. So guessing or opinions it is all the same, there are better references than the the left wing rag Guardian.

I don't think being an American gives you an advantage of what is going to happen, infact I would have thought quite the opposite, but your opinion will always be welcome and if not always taken on board.

The whole of Brexit has been handled very badly, we have had 3 wasted years, now Boris Johnson has taken over a divided parliament and is doing his best to deliver what was promised to the citizens of country, there are too many MPs who have no belief in their own country anymore or have become so EUfied they are trying to sabotage the vote that was Brexit.

Of course everybody is entitled to an opinion, even our remainer MPs, but they are being disingenuous to say the least when they say they want to stop a no deal Brexit, when infact they want to cancel Brexit all together.

As for where sterling is, this whole charade should have been finalised a long time ago and we would be seeing a rise and not a fall in our currency.

Thanks for your offer of luck, but that is the least of our problems, decent politicians is what we are devoid of at this present time.

Sorry vogie I know you have a policy of never feeding me but your Brexiteer heroes could have done better at the start had they had a plan and a direction of travel. Which of course they never had. Don't blame remainers you and your vote got us into this mess. Oh and the Guardian whatever your views isn't the piece of toilet paper that the Express is which seems to be the most quoted rag on the Leave side. 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

A hard core of intransigent racists got the Leave over the line. Though most leavers are honest,hardworking good citizens some with understandable concerns on mass immigration. Cumming very cleverly and subtly played on those fears of people left behind and feeling under siege in their lives and then used social media to propagate and amplify these opinions. And then offering simplistic, nationalistic sound bite solutions straight out of the Bannon/Trump playbook. Without Cummings and 'racism' Leave would never have won. 

i always thought it was the pack of lies called project fear that prompted all these "left behind"people to vote leave.

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

First of all, those who start screaming 'waaaa-cist' whenever discussion of immigration comes up should be blocked from further participation in the thread (if only such a thing were possible) due to obstructionist baiting. We need to talk about this issue as it is a large part of the matter in hand.

 

Secondly, the accusation is largely meaningless when simply applied to a preference for one's own culture. If that is 'racism', then everyone on earth is 'racist'.

 

Thirdly, indigenous British supporters of immigration (it seems that there are some apart from the politicians desperate to deliver economic growth) are guilty of actual (active, patronising, pernicious) racism themselves (gasp!) because we all know that the primary reason immigrants are let in is to do the dirty work for low pay and form a new underclass - which is only one degree above slavery, though no one one either side is allowed to acknowledge that.

Personally I prefer to treat foreigners with more respect than to import them as cheap human capital.

The Britain (and Europe) I would like to see - towards which Brexit is the first step - will have an altogether more rational (and humane) immigration policy.

I roughly agree with most of what you are saying. But this Brexit is tory driven , hedge fund funded to benefit a small disruptor elite. The working class concerns are being exploited to these ends. Can't you see that. Look up at who got us into this mess and blame them not across at your hapless other neighbour who are just trying to make the best of the hand they have been dealt.  

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Producing 'evidence' from the Guardian is laughable, you are reading other peoples opinions, and that's all they are, 'opinions' heavily biased at that. So guessing or opinions it is all the same, there are better references than the the left wing rag Guardian.

I don't think being an American gives you an advantage of what is going to happen, infact I would have thought quite the opposite, but your opinion will always be welcome and if not always taken on board.

The whole of Brexit has been handled very badly, we have had 3 wasted years, now Boris Johnson has taken over a divided parliament and is doing his best to deliver what was promised to the citizens of country, there are too many MPs who have no belief in their own country anymore or have become so EUfied they are trying to sabotage the vote that was Brexit.

Of course everybody is entitled to an opinion, even our remainer MPs, but they are being disingenuous to say the least when they say they want to stop a no deal Brexit, when infact they want to cancel Brexit all together.

As for where sterling is, this whole charade should have been finalised a long time ago and we would be seeing a rise and not a fall in our currency.

Thanks for your offer of luck, but that is the least of our problems, decent politicians is what we are devoid of at this present time.

I presented these links because they were the first in my search. If you like I can post BBC, Washington Post, Irish Times,Routers,MSN,etc etc  (and the list goes on for pages) A simple Google search will provide you all the links you need.  As Far as the Sterling is concerned, its value will reflect the strength of the UK economy post Brexit, Most experts seem to think that chances are it will be weaker and thus the Sterling will be weaker, But perhaps most experts are wrong. They are not always right, but most of the time they are, That's why people consult experts. 

Anyway , interesting to watch. 

[DannyCarlton]

14 minutes ago, kingdong said:

i always thought it was the pack of lies called project fear that prompted all these "left behind"people to vote leave.

Wrong. It was Dominic Cummings' subliminal avertising, via AIQ, that prompted all those mugs to vote leave.

 

You fell for it, hook, line and sinker.

Edited September 4, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[JamesBlond]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I roughly agree with most of what you are saying. But this Brexit is tory driven , hedge fund funded to benefit a small disruptor elite. The working class concerns are being exploited to these ends. Can't you see that. Look up at who got us into this mess and blame them not across at your hapless other neighbour who are just trying to make the best of the hand they have been dealt.  

Twaddle, the first part. The second part, not sure I know what you mean. Who got us into the Brexit mess? The answer is unconscionable, dishonourable MPs. Hapless neighbour? If you mean immigrants - they are not hapless - they are actively in control of their destiny as their restless striving towards cultural and economic appropriation of Britain proves.

 

[DannyCarlton]

33 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

QUOTE: The rebate wasn't given back, we're still benefiting from it today. One of the beefs that our haters (the French) still have against us.

 

Why single out the French? All Europeans hold this against you.

Ah! If Europeans could vote on UK in or out......

With remainers like this, who needs brexiteers?

Oh don't we know it. Sorry, we're not beaten yet. These colours don't run.

Edited September 4, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[vogie]

17 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I presented these links because they were the first in my search. If you like I can post BBC, Washington Post, Irish Times,Routers,MSN,etc etc  (and the list goes on for pages) A simple Google search will provide you all the links you need.  As Far as the Sterling is concerned, its value will reflect the strength of the UK economy post Brexit, Most experts seem to think that chances are it will be weaker and thus the Sterling will be weaker, But perhaps most experts are wrong. They are not always right, but most of the time they are, That's why people consult experts. 

Anyway , interesting to watch. 

There is no need to go to all that trouble, again you will only be providing opinion, and that's all they always will be, don't forget we are sailing in uncharted waters, nobody knows what is going to happen. The only fact is that the UK voted to leave the EU, it has upset a lot of people mainly because they might have to queue up at passport control or it has affected their personal portfolio etc etc.

[7by7]

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Farage said that a 52/48 win would be unfinished business when he thought remain would win. Changed his mind after Leave won by that margin, calling it a magnificent victory.

 

Farage wanted a deal before the referendum, now wants no deal.

 

Boris voted against May's deal at first, then changed his mind and voted for it.

 

They are allowed to change their minds, but we, the people, are not!

 

That is the Brexiteer version of democracy!

How many minutes was he mistaken for and how long had he been up when he did it?

 

Farage made his unfinished business comment in May 2016, his magnificent victory one when the referendum result was announced in June 2016. 

 

Farage said he wanted a deal before and after the referendum in 2016, changed his mind around June/July this year.

 

Johnson voted against May's deal the first and second times, voted for it the third.

 

If you want to know the number of minutes involved in any of those, you do the maths.

 

But no matter how many minutes it is, no matter whether you are asking about Farage or Johnson, I doubt that person was awake the whole time!

 

But then, given the reputation both men have for not keeping it in their trousers, perhaps by "how long had he been up" you meant something else entirely!

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Congratulations, you have taken the point I was making (Why is it OK for Remainers to change their mind but not OK for Farage?) and flipped it to make exactly the same point, in reverse (Why is it OK for Farage to change his mind but not OK for Remainers).

 

Well done. Good to see such ingenuity, someone thinking outside the box  ???? 

 

My point was actually a bit broader than yours; why is it ok for Farage and Johnson to change their minds, but not OK for we, the people; not just Remainers but Leavers as well.

 

Are you saying you are in favour of us, the people, being given the chance to do so in a final, legally binding referendum?

 

[Forethat]

A bit surprised that 21 Tory MPs voted against the government. Political suicide, yes, but I guess they realised that.

What is more surprising is that 9 out of the 21 voted against their own constituency. I guess Margot James won't exactly get the homecoming she'd have hoped for. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't be surprised if she's egged every time she walks the streets of Stourbridge. I actually expect her house to be egged. I'd be sad if her entire family was egged (on a daily basis), but with that level of political treason I guess everything can be expected. 

 

Here is the list of Tory traitor MPs and the result of the Brexit referendum in their constituency:

 

 

Sir Oliver Letwin 51.04 – 48.96

Rory Stewart 55.2 – 44.88

Sir Nicholas Soames (Winston Churchill’s grandson) 58.41 – 41.59

Alistair Burt 53.44 – 46.56

Sam Gyimah 54.2 – 45.8

Guto Bebb 52.2 – 47.8

Richard Harrington 50.3 – 49.7

Margot James 64.7 – 35.3

Antionette Sandbach 52.17 – 47.83

[metisdead]

An off topic trolling post has been removed. 

[elliss]

4 hours ago, soalbundy said:

where did he get 37 from? bank notes Bangkok bank 36.2 it went down from yesterday

 

 Transferwise,  36.67  yesterday , over 37 today .   BK bank No, thanks.

   Sad news , i moved a lumper yesterday, the end is nigh etc ,

and then wait for it,  the revolt in the name of democracy and Justice ...

 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by elliss