This was sent to my office yesterday from our local immigration office.


Could this be the end of TM30?

 

There are no competent officials. ignore it.

 
This was sent to my office yesterday from our local immigration office.


Could this be the end of TM30?
 

Thank goodness...

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I think this is referring to the TM28 which has anyway rarely been required in the past. The TM30 (theoretically the landlord's problem, but often imposed on you) is still needed.

5 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I think this is referring to the TM28 which has anyway rarely been required in the past. The TM30 (theoretically the landlord's problem, but often imposed on you) is still needed.

They haven't specified the form number.  They've said we don't need to report changes in address.  So as far as I'm concerned, we don't.  They can't say "don't do it" and then fine us for not doing it.

As far as reporting yourself on behalf of your landlord, it never should have happened in the first place.  It completely defeats the purpose of  the rule.

Nothing new.

It is only for section 37 of the immigration act for address reporting.

Only these 2 clauses are waived. 

"3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty
– four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not
located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the
police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.
4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such
alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time
of arrival."

It mentioned in this line for section 37. "The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General."

 

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Nothing new.

I respect you Joe, but I disagree.  This is huge news.  It means no more re-filing TM 30 after staying overnight in another province.

The wording states "...aliens are not required to report..." which to me says they aren't going to hold us responsible for failing to report a change.  Either they will change/do away with the system or they will shift the responsibility to the landlord (which they should have done a long time ago IMO).

So what exactly does it mean.

When you move permanent address you/wife/landlord only has to do once???

 

If you go on holiday out of Thailand you/wife/landlord doesn't have to do when you return 'home'?

 

If you leave BKK and go to CM for a week and the hotel does report you then do you/wife/landlord have to do a new TM30??

4 minutes ago, Jadam said:

I respect you Joe, but I disagree.  This is huge news.  It means no more re-filing TM 30 after staying overnight in another province.

This is about TM28, not about TM30.

TM28 has not been enforced anyway, so no change.

So as ubonjoe said: Nothing new.

Except maybe some more confusion for foreigners who don't understand the difference between TM28 and TM30.

Just now, jackdd said:

This is about TM28, not about TM30.

TM28 has not been enforced anyway, so no change.

Who says it's about TM28?

 

1 minute ago, Jadam said:

Who says it's about TM28?

 

The law / ministerial order regarding TM28 says exactly what they wrote in this pictures, which makes it quite clear that this is about TM28.

Other than that, they write "aliens are not required". Aliens were never specifically required to do a TM30, but the landlord / possessor had to do a TM30 for an alien who stays at his place. So if this were about TM30 they would have written: It's no longer required to inform the competent official if an alien is staying at your place (or something similar to this)

2 minutes ago, Jadam said:

Who says it's about TM28?

All you have to do is read the immigration act.

Section 37 is for address reporting which is a TM28 form.

Section 38 is for reporting of your residence using a TM30 form.

4 minutes ago, jackdd said:

This is about TM28, not about TM30.

TM28 has not been enforced anyway, so no change.

Phuket office just enforced t28 via announcement on TV few days back .?

2 minutes ago, madmen said:

Phuket office just enforced t28 via announcement on TV few days back .?

Can of course be, then i didn't see this news yet. But most foreigners are exempt from TM28, as we can see from this picture.

Then Phuket has just become less attractive for people or retirement or marriage visas/extensions.

5 minutes ago, madmen said:

Phuket office just enforced t28 via announcement on TV few days back .?

Be interesting to know what is said next week.

i wait for official newspaper clarification, it's been broadly posted in several Thai and English newspapers in Thailand, until then, i report.

 

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Be interesting to know what is said next week.

Well said.

I maintain my opinion that, regardless of article number, form number, etc. this is big news and things are changing for the better.  This might be the beginning of the end of the TM30.

Regardless of interpretation otherwise where does this exempt expat long stayers?

They don't list retirement and those on non-o based on marriage. 

1 hour ago, berybert said:

There are no competent officials. ignore it.

Best quote of the day !!

16 minutes ago, Tayaout said:

They don't list retirement and those on non-o based on marriage. 

Or  people with one leg and a parrot

17 minutes ago, Tayaout said:

They don't list retirement and those on non-o based on marriage. 

Exactly. Since they specifically aren't mentioned, it doesn't apply to them. This looks like a slight pull back by Thai Immigration and probably only benefits those qualifying under the specifically mentioned visa classes and more importantly, foreigners working legally here.

it's not for the ones with retirement/extension of stay

1 hour ago, Jadam said:

They haven't specified the form number.  They've said we don't need to report changes in address.  So as far as I'm concerned, we don't.  They can't say "don't do it" and then fine us for not doing it.

 

The graphic you posted above ticks off a bunch of different visa categories... but notably missing from that list is either marriage or retirement. FWIW.

 

But perhaps, if correct, it's a way to get the chambers of commerce and big corporations off their backs -- and leave the retirees and married non-working folks who have no organized advocates here to continue to be screwed.

 

 

50 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

All you have to do is read the immigration act.

Section 37 is for address reporting which is a TM28 form.

Section 38 is for reporting of your residence using a TM30 form.

Yet the whole issue over last few months is they were using TM30 as an temporary address update and residence form combined. Hence the <deleted> of  you go stay overnight elsewhere and then either you or landlord had to do it all over again. Your legal residence does not change if you go on holiday.

 

While early days highly optimistic this is them walking back whole thing in typical Thai manner, first they misapplied the law and then after fightback repeal wrong law to make whole thing go away

In theory, the TM30 has never been about the foreigner reporting his address. In practice, if not staying in a hotel, immigration has usually found it convenient to force you to get the housemaster to satisfy the TM30 requirement, and to pay the fines. I will be amazed if the TM30 is going away without any announcement, or if immigration will suddenly decide to chase housemasters themselves rather than put the onus on the foreigner.

That was my first thought looking at OP.  

 

Never considered the TM28 requirement to be unreasonable, but the 24 hour leash was unrealsitic and over-controlling.  Most folks are busy unpacking boxes and getting utilities organized after a house move.  Those with jobs are still going to work in and among all that.  But sure, you need to notify relevant government agencies that you've moved..... same in my country. 

 

I think doing away with this might be tossing a bone to the dogs, while the TM30 remains the elephant in the room.  Or, one of a few things they've worked out and this was just the first........ we'll see. 

I never cared about TM28 or TM30 unlike scared farangs who are afraid to pay a meager fine of less than $100 if and when needed. This news does not have any effects on me.

1 hour ago, Jadam said:

Well said.

I maintain my opinion that, regardless of article number, form number, etc. this is big news and things are changing for the better.  This might be the beginning of the end of the TM30.

Nothing changed, these people have been exempt since 40 years. Somebody at immigration just made a picture out of a ministerial order from 40 years ago.

Just now, onera1961 said:

I never cared about TM28 or TM30 unlike scared farangs who are afraid to pay a meager fine of less than $100 if and when needed. This news does not have any effects on me.

It's not about you. Nor is it just a matter of a paultry 800 Baht fine.

 

TM30 represents a creeping encroachment upon fairly basic liberties, even for Thailand.  These types of things, if left unchallenged, tend to get more ridiculous.  It was time "someone" stood up and said something.