Johnson, likening himself to Incredible Hulk, vows Oct. 31 Brexit

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Another difference is that The Hulk always managed to keep his trousers on.

and he was green, BJ won't show his green bit

[OneMoreFarang]

5 hours ago, z42 said:

An absolute delinquent, but what can realistically be done to break the impasse?

The EU heirachy have never atrempted to negotiate reasonably, and as such the UK must make something happen themselves or be bound to a ghastly deal which actually would make them worse off in the medium and long term.

 

Leave won the referendum first up, and if a second referendum was held why should it hold more weight? 

 

Trade aside i see few benefits of being in the EU

Maybe the UK should accept reality.

Then they will be able to understand the difference between any deal they dream about and any deal they might realistically get.

 

It seems many Leave voters voted for an unrealistic dream. Should the EU be blamed that they can't agree to an unrealistic dream which the UK politicians promised the voters?

It's time for those UK politicians and face to voters and tell them something like: We lied to you. We made promises which we can't keep. And even if we dream very hard all together we still can't keep them. Now here is reality ...

 

But obviously that will never happen. It's so much easier to blame the others.

 

And this is just the beginning. I wait to see what UK politicians will promise the people about free trade agreements with the USA, China and others. I am sure that will all be very easy agreements, the others will do anything to get a deal with the UK because they need all those UK products so much. 555 Maybe not...

[Blue Muton]

5 hours ago, z42 said:

An absolute delinquent, but what can realistically be done to break the impasse?

The EU heirachy have never atrempted to negotiate reasonably, and as such the UK must make something happen themselves or be bound to a ghastly deal which actually would make them worse off in the medium and long term.

 

Leave won the referendum first up, and if a second referendum was held why should it hold more weight? 

 

Trade aside i see few benefits of being in the EU

There are none so blind as they who will not see. If you took off your blinkers you'd see plenty of benefits in the fields of human rights, employment rights, consumer rights and product safety, all of which have been massively improved by the EU.

[OneMoreFarang]

 

[Letseng]

5 hours ago, z42 said:

An absolute delinquent, but what can realistically be done to break the impasse?

The EU heirachy have never atrempted to negotiate reasonably, and as such the UK must make something happen themselves or be bound to a ghastly deal which actually would make them worse off in the medium and long term.

 

Leave won the referendum first up, and if a second referendum was held why should it hold more weight? 

 

Trade aside i see few benefits of being in the EU

Doesn't Britain need the trade?

Doesn't Britain need the nurses/carers from EU countries?

Who will take care of your old folks in care homes when EU staff leaves on 31/10?

Many old folks voted out. Yet they may need the staff to push their wheelchairs and wipe their bums one day.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Because people knew what Leave would be like in 10 year or so? 

I am sure someone spoke about the bright future where everything is better.

Lots of cake to eat and look at, cherries, unicorns, and they all lives happily ever after.

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, NoBrainer said:

The EU is destroying itself from within. You only need to look at the Muslim Ghettos, popping up all over Europe.

 

France, Germany, & Scandinavia are already ruined. The few hold-outs like Italy & Austria are almost conquered.

 

Why does Britain need to be part of this catastrophe. It is almost too late to turn the ship around, before it will

be sunk under the crushing weight of out of control immigration.

 

The next generation may have to immigrate to Africa & the Middle East, to get away from this plague, as most of

their populations will have already taken over Europe & the UK.

 

It is a known fact that these people only have contempt for the infidel, and will not stop to destroy the western

way of life until their last breathe.

 

 

I love it when Brexiteers expound blatantly racist views and then claim that Brexit was nothing to do with immigration and racist xenophobia.

 

Don't worry, Tommy is out of nick now, he can defend you. Oh, I forgot, he tried that when he stood for MEP but lost his deposit. Luckily yours and Tommy's views are only shared by a small minority of Brits.

[Blue Muton]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

I love it when Brexiteers expound blatantly racist views and then claim that Brexit was nothing to do with immigration and racist xenophobia.

 

Don't worry, Tommy is out of nick now, he can defend you. Oh, I forgot, he tried that when he stood for MEP but lost his deposit. Luckily yours and Tommy's views are only shared by a small minority of Brits.

You mean Stephen surely?

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, Blue Muton said:

You mean Stephen surely?

Mr. Yaxley-Lennon to you. Or alternatively prisoner 76398452

[Thingamabob]

Give the guy a break. He was left a dog's dinner by May and he's trying to sort it out. Meanwhile Labour are in a total shambles.

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

Give the guy a break. He was left a dog's dinner by May and he's trying to sort it out. Meanwhile Labour are in a total shambles.

 

And the Tories aren't. Another one bites the dust today, they have lost their "token black man".

[oldhippy]

2 QUOTES:

“The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets,”

A huge amount of progress is being made,”

 

Caught in his own lying?

[Blue Muton]

22 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Mr. Yaxley-Lennon to you. Or alternatively prisoner 76398452

AKA "The Accused".

[sawadee1947]

First he tried to imitate Churchill, now he's on Hulk's level. 

What a downturn ????????

Laughing stock 2019 unlimited ????

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Blue Muton said:

AKA "The Accused".

Wrong. "The convicted".

[tebee]

57 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

Islam is a belief system, not an ethnicity. If there is such a thing as "racism" or "race" (and because these terms lack a clear definition, it's difficult to say that they exist) then the concept is about hostility to people based on characteristics they can't change, but anyone can change their beliefs.

Referring to the 1930s looks like a gentle Ad Hominem invocation of Godwin's Law.

 

People of colour are not of one race. Therefore is a man not racist if hates all black people equally ?

 

58 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

 

 

Do you mean, how is it a problem? or how is it a problem that's the responsibility of the EU?

 

Given that there are more Muslims already in the UK than in the EU (as a % of Population) stopping EU immigration is not going to reduce the numbers of muslims in the Uk as most of them don't come from there in the first place.   

58 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

 

It's not clear what point you are trying to make. The person you are responding to appeared to be making a point about the quality of life being reduced in Europe due to recent mass immigration. They may be referring to when Angela Merkel subverted the Dublin treaty on refugees and undermined national immigration laws to help illegal economic migrants and human traffickers abuse the Syrian refugee crisis to gain access to EU states, when had they followed the legal procedures they may have been rejected.

Once they arrived, numerous public order offences were widely reported and attributed to them, whilst millions of genuine refugees continued to languish in and around Syria.

 

So you would have prefered we leave fellow human beings displaced by wars  languishing in refugee camps for years on end because they are muslim ? If you want to build up hatred and resentment against the west, that would seem a good way to do it.

 

 

58 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

 

Scotland would be in economic crisis following the collapse of the oil price, have you been to Aberdeen recently? The people of Scotland wisely rejected the populist demagoguery of Nationalism there.

Scotland has a higher GDP per capita then the UK !

[Letseng]

45 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Hardly, the worst nightmare is remaining in the EU whilst Germany sinks into recession, and the Italian banks collapse, and the British public are left having to pay for it like Germany did for Greece: 

This statement comes from someone who is clueless. 

British public to pay for collapsing Italian banks? 

May be British bankers made bad investments. Who knows. Then go and complain to your bankers, not blame EU. And Germany never paid for Greece. 

Do you know that Britain does not belong to Euro area. Therefore, they are not affected by bad Euro loans to defaulting countries.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, CaptainNemo said:

Laws of themselves can be unlawful. Many dictatorships use wrongful "laws" to assert power.

Parliament is the dictator here, as they refuse to hold a General Election, which Boris has asked for twice... he can't be much of a dictator if he wants a General Election that he could lose.

 

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A parliament is not a person, so can not fit within the definition of a dictator  

[Monomial]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Hogwash!

 

Parliament is the sovereign body that makes laws. PM's and their governments are accountable to parliament and are most certainly not above the law.

 

A law isn't bad or good based on whether you happen to like it!

 

He has expressed his wish for a GE, which parliament, whose decision it is, rejected because they don't trust him. He's now threatening to break the law. Hope he enjoys porridge!

But you have to admit it is an interesting system...

 

MP's are considered to be representatives, and are afforded the opportunity to vote their conscience, even if it is different from their constituents. That is the basis of representative, rather than direct democracy. The people's option if they disagree is to vote them out at the next election.

 

On the other hand, the Prime Minister is elected by the parliament, but for some reason those same principles don't apply. The difference, of course, is that parliament is allowed to make laws, where the people are not. Not saying this is right or wrong, but there is definitely a noticeable hypocrisy in the system. It is interesting that parliament expects the people to accept representative democracy, but then they demand direct democracy for themselves.

 

Isn't there an argument that Boris, being the elected Prime Minister, be allowed to serve in that capacity according to his consicience, and that parliament should simply vote him out with a vote of no confidence if they disagree with his actions? After all, that is the law they apply to themselves and their constituents...

 

[Moo 2]

They must be p&*#ng themselves laughing at the EU's Head Quarter.

[Loiner]

They must be p&*#ng themselves laughing at the EU's Head Quarter.

No, just p&*#ng themselves. Where will that 9Bn per year come from now?

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, just p&*#ng themselves. Where will that 9Bn per year come from now?

A drop in the ocean to the EU. I'm sure that they'll view it as the bargain of the century to see the back of us.

[transam]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

A drop in the ocean to the EU. I'm sure that they'll view it as the bargain of the century to see the back of us.

The UK's 13% cash input loss  out of the 28 involved will not be viewed as a bargain...

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

The UK's 13% cash input loss  out of the 28 involved will not be viewed as a bargain...

Much of which we recieve back in subsidies etc. I don't think that the EU share your view.

[Jip99]

12 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Much of which we recieve back in subsidies etc. I don't think that the EU share your view.

 

I think you are doing a BJ with that statement...”much of which we receive back....”.

 

Much of £19b to me would be something like, say, £15b. Do we get that back? ......no we don’t.

 

As you are well aware, the UK contribution is £17.4b (2018). 

 

The rebate of £4.2b is immediately applied to give a net payment to the EU of £13.2b.

 

If you want to squeeze out the value of EU payments to the UK public sector then you can subtract another £4b, giving an absolute net outflow of £9b.

[from the home of CC]

That only 12% polled felt that they trusted the parliament was looking out for their interests is very telling. If an unrelated recession develops world wide there could be major push back in the streets when the economic pinch progresses, if the above number is accurate. Hopefully these present actions don't turn into the 'perfect storm' of economic conditions, too many have lost too much already.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

I think you are doing a BJ with that statement...”much of which we receive back....”.

 

Much of £19b to me would be something like, say, £15b. Do we get that back? ......no we don’t.

 

As you are well aware, the UK contribution is £17.4b (2018). 

 

The rebate of £4.2b is immediately applied to give a net payment to the EU of £13.2b.

 

If you want to squeeze out the value of EU payments to the UK public sector then you can subtract another £4b, giving an absolute net outflow of £9b.

Correct, which is much less than 13% of the total cash input to the EU.

 

Also, it's impossible to calculate the net benefits to the UK of being in a customs union and being part of the largest trading block in the world. Much more than 9bn I'd wager.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Victornoir said:

The EU for dummies.

Member nations unanimously choose the changes they want. Thus, it can be said that in 10 years the EU will be exactly what its members will have decided.

Without you, which I personally hope, it will be less tied to the US and will develop more cooperation with the Eastern European countries, including Russia.

 

And to understand the expression of non-British people, you need to show a minimum of empathy that seems to be lacking in you.

Agreed then. The EU is for dummies.

[Jip99]

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Correct, which is much less than 13% of the total cash input to the EU.

 

Also, it's impossible to calculate the net benefits to the UK of being in a customs union and being part of the largest trading block in the world. Much more than 9bn I'd wager.

 

 

I’d wager not.

[oldhippy]

13 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

I think you are doing a BJ with that statement...”much of which we receive back....”.

 

Much of £19b to me would be something like, say, £15b. Do we get that back? ......no we don’t.

 

As you are well aware, the UK contribution is £17.4b (2018). 

 

The rebate of £4.2b is immediately applied to give a net payment to the EU of £13.2b.

 

If you want to squeeze out the value of EU payments to the UK public sector then you can subtract another £4b, giving an absolute net outflow of £9b.

QUOTE: ......giving an absolute net outflow of £9b.

 

The red bus stated 18b, we are now down to 9b, KEEP COUNTING !