UK PM Johnson says: don't expect Brexit breakthrough in New York

[snoop1130]

UK PM Johnson says: don't expect Brexit breakthrough in New York

By Kylie MacLellan

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson meets with Qatar's Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani at Downing Street in London, Britain September 20, 2019 Frank Augstein/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo

 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Monday cautioned that there would be no Brexit breakthrough at talks with European leaders in New York as gaps remained but said significant progress had been made on striking a deal.

 

Three years after Britons voted to leave the EU, hopes of a breakthrough were stoked last week when Johnson said the shape of a deal on Britain’s departure from the European Union was emerging, and European Commission President Juncker said agreement was possible.

 

But the two sides are split over London’s desire to remove the Irish border “backstop” from the divorce deal struck by Johnson’s predecessor, Theresa May. EU diplomats say no acceptable alternative has been proposed yet by London.

 

Johnson, who has vowed to deliver Brexit on Oct. 31 with or without a deal, will meet EU leaders on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York including Germany’s Angela Merkel and Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar.

 

He will also discuss progress on reaching a Brexit deal with European Council President Donald Tusk.

 

“I would caution you all not to think that this is going to be the moment,” Johnson told reporters on the plane to New York. “I don’t wish to elevate excessively the belief that there will be a New York breakthrough.”

 

Johnson said that while a “great deal” of progress had been made since he took office in July as EU leaders now acknowledged the Withdrawal Agreement reached with his predecessor needed to be changed, there were “clearly still gaps and still difficulties”.

 

Johnson wants to remove the so-called backstop, an insurance policy aimed at avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland by having Britain follow the bloc’s rules on trade, state aid, labor and environmental standards so no checks are necessary.

 

Ireland is crucial to any Brexit solution. Unless the Irish border backstop is removed or amended, Johnson will not be able to win parliamentary approval but Ireland and the EU are unwilling to sign a deal without a solution to the border.

 

BREXIT IN PLAY?

 

Britain last week shared technical documents with Brussels setting out its ideas for dealing with the contentious issue of the backstop, although these were not the formal legal proposals Brussels has asked for.

 

Johnson has said he wants to secure an amended deal at an EU summit on Oct. 17-18, and said “a large number of the important players”, including Britain, Germany, France and Ireland wanted to reach an agreement.

 

“We have seen interest in the idea of treating the island of Ireland as a single zone for sanitary and phytosanitary purposes that is also encouraging,” he said. “However there are clearly still gaps and still difficulties.”

 

Johnson said it was important the United Kingdom “whole and entire” was able to diverge from EU law in future.

 

“The problem with ... the current backstop is that it would prevent the UK from diverging over a huge range of industrial standards and others,” he said. “We may want to regulate differently but clearly there is also a strong incentive to keep goods moving fluidly and we think we can do both.”

 

The British government, worried the backstop will trap it in the EU’s orbit for years to come, wants to remove it and find a solution before December 2020, when a planned transition period ends.

 

An EU official last week said talks were going nowhere.

 

“We don’t even know how to read what they are doing. If they are genuinely trying to open a negotiation, it would take them another 6-9 months to get to something. Or is it just tactical, and aimed at avoiding the blame?” the official said.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-23

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[Loiner]

The EU have always said there is nothing more to negotiate. Their position appears to be that they are waiting for Boris to capitulate as Theresa did for them.
A change of surroundings is hardly likely to induce a Surrender.


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[damascase]

“I would caution you all not to think that this is going to be the moment,” Johnson told reporters on the plane to New York. “I don’t wish to elevate excessively the belief that there will be a New York breakthroug.”

I doubt whether anybody in his/her right mind would expect a breakthrough. He still hasn’t put forward a formal proposal in Brussels, so why would New York change anything?

[damascase]

35 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The EU have always said there is nothing more to negotiate. Their position appears to be that they are waiting for Boris to capitulate as Theresa did for them.
A change of surroundings is hardly likely to induce a Surrender.


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You can only negotiate if you know what you want. Just going on about what you don’t want doesn’t get you closer to a solution. But perhaps BJ does not really want one?

[Loiner]

You can only negotiate if you know what you want. Just going on about what you don’t want doesn’t get you closer to a solution. But perhaps BJ does not really want one?

The EU have been told what we don’t want. That’s the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty sorted.

What’s left to negotiate? Trade Deals, which they won’t negotiate without the aforesaid Surrender. Better to Leave No Deal, then talk turkey.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

Johnson wants to remove the so-called backstop,

Not going to happen without a credible alternative acceptable to Eire and the EU and he doesn’t have one. 

[DannyCarlton]

"UK PM Johnson says: don't expect Brexit breakthrough in New York"

 

No worries mate. Didn't think for one second that there would be.

[klauskunkel]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

UK PM Johnson says: don't expect Brexit breakthrough in New York

Then why are You there?

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

Then why are You there?

The UN are renowned for putting on the best spreads on the planet.

 

I believe that there's a cheeky little Chateau Mouton Rothschild being served with dinner tonight.

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

The EU have always said there is nothing more to negotiate. Their position appears to be that they are waiting for Boris to capitulate as Theresa did for them.
A change of surroundings is hardly likely to induce a Surrender.


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They have a cunning plan.

 

Get him arseholed and tell him to sign.

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

What’s left to negotiate? Trade Deals, which they won’t negotiate without the aforesaid Surrender. Better to Leave No Deal, then talk turkey.

 I thought that Turkey weren't joining the EU now.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

The EU have always said there is nothing more to negotiate. Their position appears to be that they are waiting for Boris to capitulate as Theresa did for them.
A change of surroundings is hardly likely to induce a Surrender.


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The EU are still waiting for Boris to deliver the Plan B he promised back in November 2018.

 

He has no plan then and he has no plan now.

[Loiner]

The EU are still waiting for Boris to deliver the Plan B he promised back in November 2018.
 
He has no plan then and he has no plan now.

No plan, No Deal, No Problem and out.

[Bluespunk]

39 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

Then why are You there?

Visiting his “friend”, Jennifer Arcuri?

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

No plan, No Deal, No Problem and out.

 

He’ll need parliament’s permission for that. 

https://amp.businessinsider.com/what-happens-now-mps-moved-to-block-no-deal-brexit-2019-9

[Dumbastheycome]

Maybe quietly seeking  approval  for  asylum?

[Chomper Higgot]

The only thing you need to know about Johnson is he is a serial liar, once you know and understand that fact everything he says makes sense as a lie. 

 

Johnson has lied about the chances of getting a Brexit deal and now it is clear he can't get a deal he's lied about these 'talks in NY' and as the day that lie is exposed gets nearer he is now trying to peddle reduced expectations for a deal he knew was never going to be made. 

 

 

[fishtank]

"UK PM Johnson says: don't expect Brexit breakthrough in New York"

Is New York in Europe?

Bungle really does have a problem?

[Baerboxer]

13 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

Then why are You there?

 

Er, hello! It's a UN meeting. And the UN HQ is guess where.........................

[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The only thing you need to know about Johnson is he is a serial liar, once you know and understand that fact everything he says makes sense as a lie. 

 

Johnson has lied about the chances of getting a Brexit deal and now it is clear he can't get a deal he's lied about these 'talks in NY' and as the day that lie is exposed gets nearer he is now trying to peddle reduced expectations for a deal he knew was never going to be made. 

 

 

 

Indeed. But you surely aren't trying to peddle the EU leaders, bureaucrats and elected, as all honest, never lie, ethical, goody-goodies are you??

 

They lie, particularly about their intentions just as all politicians do. Look at the caliber of the 4 EU leaders selected to replace Juncker et al. Two have criminal convictions, one cheated on her PhD and her defense department is under investigation for dodgy deals and the fourth is a failed PM. And they never even followed their own selection process!

[Srikcir]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

EU leaders now acknowledged the Withdrawal Agreement reached with his predecessor needed to be changed, there were “clearly still gaps and still difficulties

Not seen any such statement from the EU other than

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“We don’t even know how to read what they are doing.

TRANSLATION:

Johnson is simply lying and ready to place blame on the EU for a Brexit No-Deal.

[klauskunkel]

13 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Er, hello! It's a UN meeting. And the UN HQ is guess where.........................

on Rajadamnoern Ave...?  

[sandyf]

11 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Er, hello! It's a UN meeting. And the UN HQ is guess where.........................

Exactly. The leaders can talk on the sidelines but in the absence of the hangers on, nothing can be concluded.

It is the same with the EU summit, the EU want the proposals beforehand so they can be considered by all concerned and an answer given at the summit.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed. But you surely aren't trying to peddle the EU leaders, bureaucrats and elected, as all honest, never lie, ethical, goody-goodies are you??

 

They lie, particularly about their intentions just as all politicians do. Look at the caliber of the 4 EU leaders selected to replace Juncker et al. Two have criminal convictions, one cheated on her PhD and her defense department is under investigation for dodgy deals and the fourth is a failed PM. And they never even followed their own selection process!

No I’m not.

 

But......But....But.... whatabout?!

[sandyf]

The warning comes after the UK floated "concepts" to tackle the issue in meetings last week – which EU officials privately warned would not be enough to prevent checks and controls from reemerging between the Republic and Northern Ireland. 

 

British officials were hoping for a breakthrough and change in EU thinking when Boris Johnson meets with EU council president Donald Tusk on the sidelines of the UN general assembly in New York on Monday evening – an increasingly remote prospect after Mr Barnier's intervention.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-michel-barnier-boris-johnson-irish-backstop-eu-a9116856.html

[stephenterry]

24 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed. But you surely aren't trying to peddle the EU leaders, bureaucrats and elected, as all honest, never lie, ethical, goody-goodies are you??

 

They lie, particularly about their intentions just as all politicians do. Look at the caliber of the 4 EU leaders selected to replace Juncker et al. Two have criminal convictions, one cheated on her PhD and her defense department is under investigation for dodgy deals and the fourth is a failed PM. And they never even followed their own selection process!

Ideal CV, then? No wonder they were chosen - probably as fall guys when Brexit goes t*ts-up. But, it's not about the EU politicians, it's about the Uk's self-seeking and untrustworthy ones.

[evadgib]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The only thing you need to know about Johnson is he is a serial liar, once you know and understand that fact everything he says makes sense as a lie. 

 

Johnson has lied about the chances of getting a Brexit deal and now it is clear he can't get a deal he's lied about these 'talks in NY' and as the day that lie is exposed gets nearer he is now trying to peddle reduced expectations for a deal he knew was never going to be made. 

The only 'porkie' of current interest is the one stating there won't be a pact with the Brexit party.

[JonnyF]

15 hours ago, damascase said:

He still hasn’t put forward a formal proposal in Brussels, so why would New York change anything?

Why would he make a formal proposal? So the EU can leak it to the press and then dismiss it out of hand again? 

 

I think we've seen enough of that in the last 3 years, let the EU come up with something for once. At least they are finally starting to slowly wake up to the fact this affects both sides.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/23/no-deal-brexit-will-have-seismic-impact-says-european-car-industry

 

 

 

[tomacht8]

32 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed. But you surely aren't trying to peddle the EU leaders, bureaucrats and elected, as all honest, never lie, ethical, goody-goodies are you??

 

They lie, particularly about their intentions just as all politicians do. Look at the caliber of the 4 EU leaders selected to replace Juncker et al. Two have criminal convictions, one cheated on her PhD and her defense department is under investigation for dodgy deals and the fourth is a failed PM. And they never even followed their own selection process!

I had written it before. UVL has not cheated in her PhD. She has made mistakes in the citation guidelines. But not deliberately cheated. I have read the report of the Science Commission of the University. Your statement is inaccurate in this regard, or contentwise wrong.

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Why would he make a formal proposal? So the EU can leak it to the press and then dismiss it out of hand again? 

 

I think we've seen enough of that in the last 3 years, let the EU come up with something for once. At least they are finally starting to slowly wake up to the fact this affects both sides.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/23/no-deal-brexit-will-have-seismic-impact-says-european-car-industry

 

 

 

Why does the EU need to solve the brexiteers problems?

You guys voted for it so you guys own it.

Johnson has no plan. All this talk of keeping proposals secret is just stringing you brexiteers along.

You are being played.