EU rejects UK's request for weekend talks as Johnson insists on no Brexit delay

[el torro]

17 minutes ago, Opl said:

"no customs union, no single market" .. if the E.U is the source of all evils, why just not leave, without a deal, as soon as possible, as it was what Brexiteers voted for - or what?    

Couldn't agree more, but our politicians and wealthy people are doing everything in their power to thwart this from happening.

 

And the EU are colluding by allowing ever continuing extensions....

 

Nobody wanted 'no deal' - but it is the only option now as a result of politicians in both the UK and EU determined to find a way around the referendum result .

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

1 minute ago, el torro said:

 

And the EU are colluding by allowing ever continuing extensions....

If acting in our best interest is “collusion” for you then it just shows how deep in lala land you’re living. If you don’t want extensions, don’t request it. Simple. 

 

1 minute ago, el torro said:

 

Nobody wanted 'no deal' - but it is the only option now as a result of politicians in both the UK and EU determined to find a way around the referendum result .

It’s just another option you don’t have a majority for. The only option you have a majority for is extending. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

44 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I think having a referendum is a great idea.

 

Of course we would have to complete the current one first otherwise there is no point in having a second one.

 

Then of course if the Remainers win then then it should be the best of 3, 5, 7 etc unless one side reaches 3 clear wins first.

 

Another referendum would need a good set of rules starting with a pass mark of say 65 or 70% of the actual voters and if that fails we revert to the existing referendum results. I say actual and eligible because if, as in the last referendum, a sizable proportion didn't vote that means only the actual votes cast are eligible.

 

Would the voting age be lowered and to what age limit?

 

Next, who would decide what and how many questions should be asked?

You have a majority for that? Or is it just another unicorn that isn’t flying? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

44 minutes ago, el torro said:

We agree.

 

The EU power structure is only interested in the money - and hence the survival of their power and wealth.

You can leave if you don’t like it ???? 

[el torro]

4 hours ago, z42 said:

I don't really know what else he can do if the EU are not even appearing to want to thrash out deals in an already short timeframe.

 

It is very obvious that key players in the UK and EU establishment want to derail the whole thing. As much as i dislike Boris, his skullduggery is no worse than the EU's blatant unwillingness to even negotiate reasonably.

 

I hope the UK make a clean break. How can an exit be worse than a constant limbo.

 

19 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Obviously you can't see the facts. 

There have been negotiations over years already with UK government up to an agreement. 

And now UK's non elected so called PM finds out he dislikes the deal and come out with embarrassing childish not to say stupid ideas. 

Who on earth will listen to such maniac? ????

Wow!

 

How to ignore all the points raised - and come out with a post that relies on their opinion being 'fact' ????.

 

Do we really need to point out yet again how May (a remainer) went back on everything she's said previously, and came out with an 'agreement' with which the not even the mostly remainer UK MPs could agree?

 

It wasn't an agreement with the UK govt. - which is why it was rejected by the UK govt!

 

Of course the EU loved the agreement!

 

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by el torro

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, z42 said:

I don't really know what else he can do if the EU are not even appearing to want to thrash out deals in an already short timeframe.

 

It is very obvious that key players in the UK and EU establishment want to derail the whole thing. As much as i dislike Boris, his skullduggery is no worse than the EU's blatant unwillingness to even negotiate reasonably.

 

I hope the UK make a clean break. How can an exit be worse than a constant limbo.

October 31st walk away from EU.. end this fiasco !

England will survive.

[el torro]

17 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You can leave if you don’t like it ???? 

If only....

 

Why on earth would you want another extension?

 

Unfortunately UK politicians (abetted by various wealthy partners) are doing everything within their power to stop the UK from genuinely leaving, and the EU is supporting them by agreeing extensions.

 

Please tell your EU representative to refuse any future extension.

Edited October 6, 2019 by el torro

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

1 minute ago, el torro said:

Please tell your EU representative to refuse any future extension.

Why would I do that? It’s not in our interest, and it’s not our job to help Brexiteers. 

[el torro]

26 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

If acting in our best interest is “collusion” for you then it just shows how deep in lala land you’re living. If you don’t want extensions, don’t request it. Simple. 

 

It’s just another option you don’t have a majority for. The only option you have a majority for is extending. 

Please quote my entire post rather than snippets.

[stephenterry]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

"Nobody force the UK to leave" no they didn't, but unlike the EU I thought we had a system called democracy, it may not be the ideal system but it has generally served us quite well through the ages. The UK offered us a vote and we voted leave, so whether you or the EU like it or not we are leaving. If our weak kneed politicians had not taken no-deal off the table the UK would be in a better position to negotiate, but as it is they have left very little scope for Boris to negotiate a deal acceptable to the UK, so by just sitting back and not willing to talk and being intransigent could be described as bad faith to some. Best just to walk away and let the EU stew.

It still amazes me that leavers think that the UK can just up and walk away. That's impossible because negotiations would have to continue on ALL unresolved aspects affecting both sides. It can never be a clean break. Repeat, it can never be clean break.

 

That's why a no-deal scenario won't work, and would probably be a lawyers delight for the unforeseeable future. 

 

 

 

[stephenterry]

1 hour ago, petermik said:

We,ll take that.....fark the EU and any compensation they are hoping for,we will run our country for our countries benefit.....

Go on then, as you seem to know how.

[el torro]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

Why would I do that? It’s not in our interest, and it’s not our job to help Brexiteers. 

So you agree, that the EU doesn't want the UK to genuinely leave - as it's not 'in your interest' for this to happen?

Edited October 6, 2019 by el torro

[Pattaya46]

2 minutes ago, el torro said:

So you agree, that the EU doesn't want the UK to genuinely leave - as it's not 'in your interest' for this to happen?

Not what he said,

but just that leaving with no-deal in not in EU's interest

(and BTW not in UK's interest either...)

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, el torro said:

So you agree, that the EU doesn't want the UK to genuinely leave - as it's not 'in your interest' for this to happen?

I agree that accepting an extension is better than refusing it. 

[Opl]

3 minutes ago, el torro said:

So you agree, that the EU doesn't want the UK to genuinely leave - as it's not 'in your interest' for this to happen?

When the UK drops out the of the EU, its interest is to undermine the principles of the single market and the EU itself  

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Should have made deals with other countries and left long time ago.

Since they couldn't make deals while still an EU member, your admonishment should be, "Should have left a long time ago and made deals with other countries."

[sawadee1947]

39 minutes ago, el torro said:

 

Wow!

 

How to ignore all the points raised - and come out with a post that relies on their opinion being 'fact' ????.

 

Do we really need to point out yet again how May (a remainer) went back on everything she's said previously, and came out with an 'agreement' with which the not even the mostly remainer UK MPs could agree?

 

It wasn't an agreement with the UK govt. - which is why it was rejected by the UK govt!

 

Of course the EU loved the agreement!

 

 

How silly is that???? 

A PM is dealing with EU but later you complain it was not the right deal or it was not the right person??

Who could rely ever on a PM at present and in future??

So whenever you dislike PMs decision you will replace him or her??? 

Oh dear please come back to reality if you can. ????

[Thingamabob]

We shall see. There are holes in Benn's surrender bill. His Dad would surely be ashamed of him at this moment.

[englishoak]

18 minutes ago, Opl said:

When the UK drops out the of the EU, its interest is to undermine the principles of the single market and the EU itself  

Well lets see the EU interest is to swallow up every nation it can and undermine every aspect of independence of those it does so seems a fair and noble enough objective to me.  

[metisdead]

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[GalaxyMan]

2 hours ago, el torro said:

But I do agree that UK MPs have proven themselves more than untrustworthy when it comes to respecting the electorate.

Aren't all politicians everywhere? Nothing new here, just the British flavor.

[Opl]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

Well lets see the EU interest is to swallow up every nation it can and undermine every aspect of independence of those it does so seems a fair and noble enough objective to me.  

such as EU laws on consumer protection?

[damascase]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

Well lets see the EU interest is to swallow up every nation it can and undermine every aspect of independence of those it does so seems a fair and noble enough objective to me.  

Ignorance is bliss.......... 

Edited October 6, 2019 by damascase

[Orton Rd]

Look on the positive side, at least we will be saving a billion quid a month from paying the bloodsucking EU.

[damascase]

2 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Look on the positive side, at least we will be saving a billion quid a month from paying the bloodsucking EU.

Only a billion?

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Serious question, do you think the EU is doing enough or could do more. And do you think they should be doing more to help protect their interests at their side of the channel, intransigence will not keep the wheels of industry turning you know.

 

 

sure they should be doing more, anybody can and should do more but needs 2 to tango and right now only 1 is on the dance floor, guess who?

[Orton Rd]

19 minutes ago, damascase said:

Only a billion?

Frittered away on theft and roads in Romania and Spain, best stopped and spent at home.

[Basil B]

22 minutes ago, damascase said:

Only a billion?

I know what you mean we will have to take a wheelbarrow to the ATM as the pound will sink lower than the Zimbabwean dollar with the hyperinflation that will follow brexit.

[vogie]

Just now, Mavideol said:

sure they should be doing more, anybody can and should do more but needs 2 to tango and right now only 1 is on the dance floor, guess who?

If you mean the EU, are they doing the Twist, Boris will be doing Bolero, whilst Corbyn is still doing the Funky Chicken.

[david555]

28 minutes ago, damascase said:

Only a billion?

Is the U.K extending on credit now , what about the other 9 …?