Judge's order releasing Trump's tax returns and blasting 'repugnant' immunity claim put on hold

[Eric Loh]

3 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

might you kindly post a list of ethical, clean, honest, moral banks.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ranking-of-banks-based-on-overall-ethical-weighted-rating-decreasing-order-of-rating_fig1_257619053

 

Deutsche Bank hardly make the list. Type of bank Trump like. 

[Sujo]

37 minutes ago, Becker said:

Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too

 

"Last month, the Trump family business received approval from a local government in Scotland for a major expansion of its golf resort near Aberdeen, marking the largest real estate development financed by the Trump Organization since the 2016 election.

In August, President Donald Trump’s eldest son, Donald Jr., flew to Jakarta to help kick-start sales at a pair of Trump-branded luxury resorts planned for Indonesia. He appeared at a private event with wealthy prospective buyers and joined his politically connected billionaire Indonesian business partner at a news conference.

And last year, Donald Jr. visited India to sell condos at future Trump-branded towers, appearing at an event that also featured India’s prime minister."

That must be fake news. Trump promised he would do no intrrnational business whilst in the whitehouse and divest his interest in his companies. 

 

Surely he didnt lie. Say it isnt so.

[Crazy Alex]

On 10/7/2019 at 10:54 PM, stevenl said:

" A thing like this has never happened to any President before. Not even close!" " Trump said.

 

Very true, that is what happens when there is a president who is trying to act like a dictator and feels he is above the law. Much pressure on the checks and balances system at the moment.

So there's a law against breaking campaign promises? Please elaborate.

[Crazy Alex]

Trump may well be the squeakiest clean president the US has ever had. After nearly three years of obsessive "GET TRUMP!" investigations by people who hate Trump so much they can't see straight, they still have NOTHING. Nada. Zilch. And now they want to do a fishing expedition?

 

HILARIOUS.

Edited October 13, 2019 by Crazy Alex
typo

[sunnyboy2018]

On 10/8/2019 at 8:42 AM, sirineou said:

 If that's all it will show, why not release them like everyone else?????

As a distraction!

[Tug]

5 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Trump may well be the squeakiest clean president the US has ever had. After nearly three years of obsessive "GET TRUMP!" investigations by people who hate Trump so much they can't see straight, they still have NOTHING. Nada. Zilch. And now they want to do a fishing expedition?

 

HILARIOUS.

Really?im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just say imo you are just trolling as far as disliking or hating trump draft dodgers that insult pows and send allies to be slaughtered then to <deleted> me off and that’s just for starters right now donald is attempting to use foreign influence to rig our elections he has been derelict in his oath to protect the constitution I could go on and on you get the drift he is a disgrace to the office and the country

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Pure nonsense. First off, Biden bragged about extorting Ukraine on video. Secondly, Trump didn't even ask for a specific outcome. He said "find out what happened" regarding a US poltician's claim he extorted Ukraine. Third, the US and Ukraine have a treaty ratified by Congress and signed by Bill Clinton that facilitates the two countries cooperating in criminal matters. Oops!

 

 

Well, if you mean by extorting, making the demand on behalf of the U.S. government to oust prosecutor Victor Shokin, fine. Because Biden was carrying out U.S. policy. Which agreed with European policy and IMF policy. And with the Ukrainian parliament which also wanted Shokin out. Not that Shokin wasn't zealous in his way. For instance he vigorously pursued on corruption charges  against a major anti-corruption NGO. ANd when his own anti-corruption prosecutors (who had been remarkably reluctant to pursue corruption charges against Ukrainian politicians and business people) were found to be in possession of a remarkable quantity of valuable jewels, Shokin zealously attempted to prosecute the investigators targeting them.

Of course Giuliani did get an affidavit from Shokin claiming he had been pursuing an investigation of Burisma. Of course, this affidavit was signed on behalf of an allegedly corrupt Ukrainian fighting extradition to the US. The same Ukrainian that Giuliani=s 2 confederates/clients were going to meet in Vienna via one way tickets. Oddly enough, Giuliani was scheduled to go there the day after. 

These 2 confederate/clients were also trying to oust the US ambassador to Ukraine because she stood in the way of them replacing the reformist chief of the Ukraine natural gas corporation with a compliant crony and millions of dollars. And Giuliani helped to spread their lies. Now Giuliani's become a laughing stock and a huge anchor tied to Trump.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.  

 

[Crazy Alex]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, if you mean by extorting, making the demand on behalf of the U.S. government to oust prosecutor Victor Shokin, fine. Because Biden was carrying out U.S. policy. Which agreed with European policy and IMF policy. And with the Ukrainian parliament which also wanted Shokin out. Not that Shokin wasn't zealous in his way. For instance he vigorously pursued on corruption charges  against a major anti-corruption NGO. ANd when his own anti-corruption prosecutors (who had been remarkably reluctant to pursue corruption charges against Ukrainian politicians and business people) were found to be in possession of a remarkable quantity of valuable jewels, Shokin zealously attempted to prosecute the investigators targeting them.

Of course Giuliani did get an affidavit from Shokin claiming he had been pursuing an investigation of Burisma. Of course, this affidavit was signed on behalf of an allegedly corrupt Ukrainian fighting extradition to the US. The same Ukrainian that Giuliani=s 2 confederates/clients were going to meet in Vienna via one way tickets. Oddly enough, Giuliani was scheduled to go there the day after. 

These 2 confederate/clients were also trying to oust the US ambassador to Ukraine because she stood in the way of them replacing the reformist chief of the Ukraine natural gas corporation with a compliant crony and millions of dollars. And Giuliani helped to spread their lies. Now Giuliani's become a laughing stock and a huge anchor tied to Trump.

Maybe you're right. We better just investigate everyone involved in Ukraine for the past decade. I'm sure you'll agree that's the prudent thing to do, yes?

[heybruce]

22 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Maybe you're right. We better just investigate everyone involved in Ukraine for the past decade. I'm sure you'll agree that's the prudent thing to do, yes?

Fair enough.  However priority should be given to the most recent or still active corrupt actors.  That's Giuliani and friends.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The IRS only has jurisdiction over things that are against the tax code. Making hush money payments to women you had sex with to keep them quiet while you're in an election campaign is not a violation of tax rules, however it could be an offence under Federal Election Law.

 

There are various things that could be in Trump's tax returns that would not be tax code violations but could infringe different legal statutes - violations of the emoluments clause, for instance. There could also be information in his tax returns that show Trump lied about his assets to mislead investors or lenders - again that's not something that would concern the IRS but would still have legal implications.

Lots of "could" in there. The Tooth Fairy "could" be real too.

[atyclb]

21 hours ago, Becker said:

So is your point that of all the banks in the world there is no difference between them wrt ethics, "cleanliness', honesty and morality?

banks and bankers and lawyers share some common ground exception duly noted

[bristolboy]

10 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Maybe you're right. We better just investigate everyone involved in Ukraine for the past decade. I'm sure you'll agree that's the prudent thing to do, yes?

Nice try at deflection. Giuliani was Trump's private lawyer and Trump explicitly stated that Guiliani was his agent in this matter. By promoting falsehoods, Giuliani assisted 2 lowlifes in getting an obstacle to their scheme removed. So no, not everyone.

[atyclb]

17 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Trump may well be the squeakiest clean president the US has ever had. After nearly three years of obsessive "GET TRUMP!" investigations by people who hate Trump so much they can't see straight, they still have NOTHING. Nada. Zilch. And now they want to do a fishing expedition?

 

HILARIOUS.

it has gotten past the point of ridiculous, idiotiic, moronic while continuing to waste taxpayer dollars. i am a lifelong registered democrat out of deference and respect for JFK. it seems JFK had more integrity, class and honor on his pinky than todays dem party combined totals

[Jingthing]

52 minutes ago, atyclb said:

it has gotten past the point of ridiculous, idiotiic, moronic while continuing to waste taxpayer dollars. i am a lifelong registered democrat out of deference and respect for JFK. it seems JFK had more integrity, class and honor on his pinky than todays dem party combined totals

Constitutionally supported congressional oversight over a president who has clearly and severely abused his presidential powers is clearly NOT ridiculous, idiotiic, moronic and a waste of taxpayer dollars. By that measure impeaching Nixon shouldn't have been started either.

Edited October 14, 2019 by Jingthing

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

it has gotten past the point of ridiculous, idiotiic, moronic while continuing to waste taxpayer dollars. i am a lifelong registered democrat out of deference and respect for JFK. it seems JFK had more integrity, class and honor on his pinky than todays dem party combined totals

Constitutionally supported congressional oversight over a president who has clearly and severely abused his presidential powers is clearly NOT ridiculous, idiotiic, moronic and a waste of taxpayer dollars. By that measure impeaching Nixon

watergate was real as opposed to russiagate

[observer90210]

On 10/13/2019 at 6:18 AM, GroveHillWanderer said:

Of course it's legal. So long as they don't reveal anything classified. As for ethical, well that depends on the moral code of the person making that judgement. I do think that the organisations that pay vast sums of money to such people are stupid, and probably aren't getting their money's worth but that doesn't make it necessarily unethical.

But is is ethical ?

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, observer90210 said:

But is is ethical ?

Please read the post you're quoting.

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, observer90210 said:

But is is ethical ?

Asked and answered.

[spidermike007]

On 10/7/2019 at 9:49 PM, pmarlin said:

They will only show that he has paid no or very little income tax. Not  un-common for people who own large companies. He gets audited by the IRS each year and if anything criminal was there it would have come out long ago. This is a which hunt by a democrat district attorney and that is way Trump is fighting it. It's no bodies business what is on those tax returns.  

The IRS may not be looking for bank fraud, something his tax returns are likely to indicate. A Democrat district attorney? How about a duly elected Congress? There is no witch hunt going on. You sound like a parrot. Listen to yourself! 

 

No, this is about finally catching Don Donald with his hand in the cookie jar. He is going down. He will not win the next election. His decision on Syria sealed that fate, if it had not already been a done deal. 

Edited October 16, 2019 by spidermike007