Britain tells EU: compromise on Brexit or we'll get nasty: Spectator source

[snoop1130]

Britain tells EU: compromise on Brexit or we'll get nasty: Spectator source

By Guy Faulconbridge

 

FILE PHOTO: A pro-Brexit protester holds a placard in Westminster, London, Britain September 25, 2019. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will take an aggressive stance towards the European Union if Brexit talks break down, threatening to withhold security cooperation to convince the bloc not to allow any further delay, a British source was quoted as saying.

 

With just 23 days to go before the United Kingdom is due to leave the EU, the future of Brexit remains deeply uncertain and both London and Brussels are positioning themselves to avoid blame for a delay or a disorderly no-deal Brexit.

 

EU leaders reacted coolly to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s last-ditch proposals to bridge the impasse, and while negotiations are ongoing, many diplomats say the chances of a swift deal before Oct. 31 are low.

 

“The negotiations will probably end this week,” the Spectator magazine quoted an unidentified source in Downing Street as saying. The source added that those who hoped that German Chancellor Angela Merkel would help London were “deluded”.

 

“This government will not negotiate further so any delay would be totally pointless,” the source was quoted as saying. “We’ll either leave with no deal on 31 October or there will be an election and then we will leave with no deal.”

 

Amber Rudd, the former pensions secretary who quit her job and the Conservative party last month over Johnson’s Brexit strategy told BBC radio the source appeared to be his senior adviser, Dominic Cummings.

 

“It sounds angry and desperate,” she said. “Since it hasn’t been denied by Number 10 ... one can only assume it’s come from the center, from the prime minister’s adviser. It reveals that there doesn’t appear an actual plan at all.”

 

The source was cited as making it clear that defense and security cooperation will be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in the EU. The source also said that any EU states that oppose a delay would be granted good cooperation.

 

Johnson has consistently said the United Kingdom will leave the EU on Oct. 31 with or without a deal, though a law passed by his opponents demands he write a letter to the EU asking for a delay if he cannot strike an exit deal by Oct. 19.

 

He said he would abide by the law but Britain would leave the EU by the end of the month without explaining that contradictions. He has also repeatedly demanded an election but parliament has refused to grant one.

 

The source quoted by the Spectator appeared to have two views about a delay: that the government could frustrate a delay but that if it was forced to extend Brexit then it would fight an election calling for an immediate no-deal exit.

 

“Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about,” the Spectator’s source said.

 

“We will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave,” the source was quoted as saying.

 

The source said that EU support for a delay would be seen by the British government as hostile interference in domestic politics “and over half of the public will agree with us.”

 

Unless the European Union compromises and does a Brexit deal shortly, then the United Kingdom will leave without a deal, a senior Downing Street source told Reuters on Tuesday.

 

“If the EU doesn’t do a deal shortly, then we leave without a deal,” the source said. “We are leaving the European Union.”

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-10-08

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[zorrow424]

The Tories will win because Parliament and Remainer MPs are 'as popular as the Clap'. 

[Chang_paarp]

6 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Britain will take an aggressive stance towards the European Union if Brexit talks break down, threatening to withhold security cooperation to convince the bloc not to allow any further delay, a British source was quoted as saying.

Someone has been reading the Trump play book. I hope it goes better for them. Only trouble is Britain needs the EU a lot more than they need Britain. 

[Mavideol]

7 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

“Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about,” the Spectator’s source said.

 

8 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will take an aggressive stance towards the European Union if Brexit talks break down, threatening to withhold security cooperation to convince the bloc not to allow any further delay, a British source was quoted as saying.

the real BJ starts to show, much like his best friend in the US, black mail/threats.....the old saying either my way or no way and they want to negotiate a good deal after that 555

[zorrow424]

7 minutes ago, Chang_paarp said:

Someone has been reading the Trump play book. I hope it goes better for them. Only trouble is Britain needs the EU a lot more than they need Britain. 

Of course you mean the 22 begging states need the UK,and with 93 billion deficit UK has with EU  who needs who?

  The other 5 EU states are all, or about to go into recession

 Awaiting the irish response

 

Reading the above there will be a few Hail Marys being screamed  lol

[damascase]

12 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

 

The source was cited as making it clear that defense and security cooperation will be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in the EU. The source also said that any EU states that oppose a delay would be granted good cooperation.

Again putting the blame with the EU. The EU is NOT trying to - and is unable to - keep the UK in the EU. If the UK wants to leave on the end of this month, they are free to go, it is the UK’s decision only. 

[Scot123]

12 minutes ago, Chang_paarp said:

Someone has been reading the Trump play book. I hope it goes better for them. Only trouble is Britain needs the EU a lot more than they need Britain. 

Are you for real? First one of the only contribute who has always paid in more than take out, Britain runs a massive trade deficit with the EU Britain's military is 4th most powerful in the world. Nope Germany and France have really coocked this up and their industries are panicking. 

[Scot123]

14 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

Of course you mean the 22 begging states need the UK,and with 93 billion deficit UK has with EU  who needs who?

  The other 5 EU states are all, or about to go into recession

 Awaiting the irish response

 

Reading the above there will be a few Hail Marys being screamed  lol

Well said. Thanks. 

[billd766]

22 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

The Tories will win because Parliament and Remainer MPs are 'as popular as the Clap'. 

The clap can be cured, politics however,  is a different matter.

[candide]

18 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

Of course you mean the 22 begging states need the UK,and with 93 billion deficit UK has with EU  who needs who?

  The other 5 EU states are all, or about to go into recession

 Awaiting the irish response

 

Reading the above there will be a few Hail Marys being screamed  lol

8% of UK's GDP depends on exports to the EU vs 2.3% for EU exports to the UK. The economic risk resulting from a no deal is nearly 4 times higher for the UK than for the EU.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

8% of UK's GDP depends on exports to the EU vs 2.3% for EU exports to the UK. The economic risk resulting from a no deal is nearly 4 times higher for the UK than for the EU.

 

Is that 2.3% consistent across all member countries?

 

 

No, I didn’t think so, that will explain why Germany are <deleted>-ing themselves.

[Mavideol]

18 minutes ago, Scot123 said:

Well said. Thanks. 

you have to keep reading.... always 2 versions to a (lie) story

[beautifulthailand99]

I'm for No Deal now and let BJ wait 3/6 months for his election. Bring on the chaos, deaths from medicine shortages, businesses going bust pound getting rinsed, shortages in shops and thousands of lorry drivers at boiling point. Skirmishes between fishermen in the channel , armed paramilitaries on the Irish border playing roadblocks again. - all 24/7 on rolling news channels.   He'll be screaming to get back in . Let chaos reign and then back in and no more of this nonsense and let's remember who caused this chaos and those British who cheered it on can hang their heads in abject shame. Yes please No Deal and let's all choke on this poisonous bilge. So no more extensions EU kick us out and let us rot. Time to take the gloves off.

 

 

[tomacht8]

The source was cited as making it clear that defense and security cooperation will be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in the EU. The source also said that any EU states that oppose a delay would be granted good cooperation.

 

What a nonsense there is currently dangling in the UK leadership.

Incredible.

 

[MRToMRT]

I am a remainer (full disclosure) BUT enough is enough, the EU ws offered a compromise, if they dont like UK borders and soverentity (NI) then thats their choice. Out and no deal, eff it.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

Is that 2.3% consistent across all member countries?

 

 

No, I didn’t think so, that will explain why Germany are <deleted>-ing themselves.

Actually it's more about small countries: Ireland, Belgium and the Netherlands are above 6%. Germany is under 3%.

[beautifulthailand99]

Johnson knows he'll be crucified once a No Deal blows up in his fat lying face. But no election - not till we see what the EU ever did for us. Time to start the panic buying and get the ball rolling. 

[damascase]

Donald Tusk

 

✔@eucopresident

 

 

.@BorisJohnson, what’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game. At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people. You don’t want a deal, you don’t want an extension, you don’t want to revoke, quo vadis?

 

18K

5:39 PM - Oct 8, 2019

[MRToMRT]

2 minutes ago, damascase said:

Donald Tusk

 

✔@eucopresident

 

 

.@BorisJohnson, what’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game. At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people. You don’t want a deal, you don’t want an extension, you don’t want to revoke, quo vadis?

 

18K

5:39 PM - Oct 8, 2019

I will say again - I am a remainer but you have had your chance Donald and you have ignored May's end and now want to see Johnson's end. Why don't YOU compromise some. NI is part of UK, end of discussion.

[Loiner]

what’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game. At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people.
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Glad you’ve finally admitted what it’s all about, now the chips are down - the future of Europe... security and interests.

Don’t worry about the UK as we’ll be OK. Now it’s clear we will be taking our cash contributions, our military and a goodly chunk of trade, we can see some EU nether muscles twitching.

[Opl]

18 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Glad you’ve finally admitted what it’s all about, now the chips are down - the future of Europe... security and interests.

Don’t worry about the UK as we’ll be OK. Now it’s clear we will be taking our cash contributions, our military and a goodly chunk of trade, we can see some EU nether muscles twitching.

 

Yes - same for China, when UK starts negociating great bilateral deals.  

[Slip]

25 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

I will say again - I am a remainer but you have had your chance Donald and you have ignored May's end and now want to see Johnson's end. Why don't YOU compromise some. NI is part of UK, end of discussion.

Hold man.  I understand your feelings.  We all feel like this, but it is caused by Cummings/BJ and their war of attrition.  The one point that they (brexit chaps) do have is it was probably never going to end well for the UK.  That is why it was so bloody stupid.  There you go- Tories putting party over country for half a decade on this matter alone.

[damascase]

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Glad you’ve finally admitted what it’s all about, now the chips are down - the future of Europe... security and interests.

Don’t worry about the UK as we’ll be OK. Now it’s clear we will be taking our cash contributions, our military and a goodly chunk of trade, we can see some EU nether muscles twitching.

 

The future of Europe AND the UK, Is what I read........

[billd766]

1 hour ago, candide said:

8% of UK's GDP depends on exports to the EU vs 2.3% for EU exports to the UK. The economic risk resulting from a no deal is nearly 4 times higher for the UK than for the EU.

Do you have any idea of how many EU countries actually make up that 2.3% and what % comes from each?

 

Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Poland and several more certainly but I am curious to know how much each country would be affected. I also wonder which of the former eastern block countries import or export to/from the UK and how much they will be affected.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do you have any idea of how many EU countries actually make up that 2.3% and what % comes from each?

 

Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Poland and several more certainly but I am curious to know how much each country would be affected. I also wonder which of the former eastern block countries import or export to/from the UK and how much they will be affected.

I found this one

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Goods-Imports-and-Exports-of-EU-27-with-the-UK-GDP_fig1_315698704

[billd766]

This list is from the BBC News website in December 2018 and it expresses exports to the UK as a % of GDP.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46612362

 

This report is from July 2019

 

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851

 

Main points:

The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2018, UK exports to the EU were £289 billion (46% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £345 billion (54% of all UK imports).
The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has generally fallen over time from 55% in 2006 to 43% in 2016, though this increased slightly to 44% in 2017 and 46% in 2018.
The share of UK imports accounted for by the EU fell from 58% in 2002 to 51% in 2011, increasing to 53% in 2018.
The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£64 billion with the EU in 2018. A surplus of £29 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£93 billion on trade in goods.
The UK had a trade surplus of £44 billion with non-EU countries. A surplus of £83 billion on trade in services outweighed a deficit of -£39 billion on trade in goods.
Services accounted for 40% of the UK’s exports to the EU in 2018. Financial services and other business services (a category which includes legal, accounting, advertising, research and development, architectural, engineering and other professional and technical services) are important categories of services exports to the EU – in 2017 these two service categories made up 52% of UK service exports to the EU.
Wales, followed by Northern Ireland and the North East of England had the highest percentage of goods exports going to the EU of all the countries and regions in the UK in 2018. The East of England followed by Northern Ireland had the joint highest proportion of goods imports from the EU.
EU tariffs are generally low but are high on some goods, especially agricultural products.

[billd766]

1 minute ago, candide said:

I found this one

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Goods-Imports-and-Exports-of-EU-27-with-the-UK-GDP_fig1_315698704

I pulled my finger out and did some research and found a couple more.

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do you have any idea of how many EU countries actually make up that 2.3% and what % comes from each?

 

Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Poland and several more certainly but I am curious to know how much each country would be affected. I also wonder which of the former eastern block countries import or export to/from the UK and how much they will be affected.

Those percentages may very well stay the same, or change slowly. UK will still have to buy the same necessities.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

The clap can be cured, politics however,  is a different matter.

And may the source be with you.....

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

8% of UK's GDP depends on exports to the EU vs 2.3% for EU exports to the UK. The economic risk resulting from a no deal is nearly 4 times higher for the UK than for the EU.

Collectively maybe but for a member state near you....noooo.