Refused Entry in BKK - Second METV - Deported back to London

[moontang]

2 minutes ago, Langkawee said:

Strange is a very typical thing in Thailand. Wealth of evidence it is a Hub of both airport and land border denials of entries and deportations without any evidence or cause. The only solution is to fly over the Thailand. Avoid the cockroach infested deportation jail cells and smelly urine 555

Every tourist deserves a chance to eat bugs.. even if they are being deported. 

[captnhoy]

Every now and then one of these denied entry reports mentions tea money openly, or subtly, being requested. I think that is what this is really about. A METV is a flag that it is important for you to be here therefore "pay my toll". If you are too dense to figure it out - off you go then back the way you came. That will be my assumption if denied entry in the future or re-entry on my current METV when it is time to see Vietnam and return.

[poohy]

7 hours ago, onera1961 said:

How does the embassy know if he would have problems or not? It is a stupid thing to ask embassy and make his decision based on that. Thai IOs have become adept at spotting people who come to Thailand for living. Not having money is a ruse they use as there is no other option for them to select. 

They are the "****ing" embassy!

If you cant ask and get a straight answer from them I fail to see who you can ask

 

Mystic Meg... somchai!

[wtfracing]

8 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Why give someone a 12 month retirement visa if he has to report every 90 days? Nuts.

 

And just how do they expect to encourage people to invest here when company executives have to report their every move by TM30? Stupid!

 

Every country has daft regulations but the Thai regs display a total lack of basic common sense.

Using Thailand and common sense in the same sentence is one big oxymoron.

[chatette]

Foreign ministry consular staff don't have any connection at all with immigration police. Total disconnect. They issue visas based on box-ticking criteria while immigration officers use their `discretion' (discrimination is a synonym in their case) whether they'll allow entry or not.

I have a Thai passport and even I have been asked by immigration officers why I am coming to Thailand ... err....

(Yes, I could use the electronic gates and avoid the annoyance but they more than often don't work.)
They are typically not on the A, the B or even the C team.

[yuiop]

5 hours ago, nailbrains8 said:

He did indeed.

 

Correct.

 

Don't fly in from a country far away. Fly into a neighbouring country first. Then fly to Thailand.

Yes that's true, I hear this advice a lot, but you do need to show a ticket to Thailand when applying for a visa in your home country don't you. A throw away ticket would be something expensive, then you will have to buy your ticket to let's say Malaysia. The all thing would cost a fortune if you buy a refundable ticket. Unless you enter visa exempt (by land crossing for example) or apply for a visa in a neighboring country. At this point, better to chose another country to spend your time and money.

[Lovethailandelite]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

The Embassy presumably did due diligence on his TV application and saw no reason to reject it. They might do better to look at past visas, entries and time spent in LOS and make a determination another tourist visa was likely to be problematic. Nevertheless, those rules/limitations need to be stipulated in the vetting process, and brought to the applicants attention. 

Too much of this being reported. Foreigners being issued valid visas and then being treated like criminals when arriving to Thailand. Someone needs to make some legal challenge. 

The majority of Embassy's do not yet have access to the immigration database.....until very early next year

[Lovethailandelite]

6 hours ago, lovesthespicy said:

 

I'm surprised they made him pay for it. I was under the impresson the airline would have to pay for it. 

 

Personally if this ever happens to me im going to fly somewhere else when i hit my layover in whatever country. I guess the thing u have to worry about is losing your luggage if u do that so hopefully you travel light. 

 

Pretty messed up they make u have a huge amount of paperwork letter from employer etc when u get this visa and then u get to Thailand and they go "nope u go home buy ticket". 

 

Was this Suv or DMK? 

You will not be doing any of that. Your passport is held by the planes purser until you reach your agreed destination. Basically, you and your passport are in detention until arrival.

[Nomad001]

As some of you know.I was almost denied entRyan last Saturday night,Very lucky to allowed in.As someone else suggested..Media here needs to run this story, so hopefully  forces immigration to clarify this issue.

[chrisinth]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

The Embassy presumably did due diligence on his TV application and saw no reason to reject it. They might do better to look at past visas, entries and time spent in LOS and make a determination another tourist visa was likely to be problematic. Nevertheless, those rules/limitations need to be stipulated in the vetting process, and brought to the applicants attention. 

Too much of this being reported. Foreigners being issued valid visas and then being treated like criminals when arriving to Thailand. Someone needs to make some legal challenge. 

This to me is one of the major problems here. Embassies/consulates coming under MFA and immigration coming under immigration. Two separate parts of the government that currently don't seem to talking to each other. Main factor of this is that MFA don't (currently) have access to the Immigration database(s) and will issue visas through a checklist system and visual information obtained from your current passport.

 

What they believe and what immigration officials think could be worlds apart.

 

I noticed in post #67 of this thread by @Lovethailandelite that he states:

 

"The majority of Embassy's do not yet have access to the immigration database.....until very early next year"

 

If this is the case (not doubting it just because I haven't heard of this before) then IMO, this will not be any advantage to the frequent visitor but rather lead to a dramatic increase in the refusal to issue various visas as the person's travel history will be available.

 

It will however (if this is indeed true that MFA will have access to immigration databases from early next year) reduce the amount of visa turn-away's  entering Thailand.

[StevieAus]

9 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Just two words that describe Thailand perfectly. And they wonder why less tourists are coming.

 

So why give people a visa if you are going to turn them away?

I have been visiting Thailand for over 20 years and have lived here as a retiree on a retirement extension for more than eight years.

During this time I have never had an issue with Immigration and never been questioned at any airport or border crossing.

We have regular and return visitors from overseas as do many of my expat friends and none of them seem to have experienced any problem as it would seem neither do the thousands who arrive here daily.

I suspect the only ones who experience problems are the ones who want to stay here longer than a few weeks or make regular repeat visits over short period and are deemed not to be a “genuine tourist”

Answer go somewhere where they are happy to have tourists for long periods of time and give them your money.

[andy72]

OMG Another TROLL

your all falling for it.

Last posting history 2014

Look fella came in got refused never threw himself prostate on the floor at the fella with the shiny plastic coated boots 

Pleading please dont send me back to that BREXIT hellhole have you read the news my god man show mercy

NO HE SIGNED THE CONFESSION YES IM A CHANCER BOOK ME ON THE NEXT FLIGHT TO BLIGHTY and I will be out of your well cut hair 

Game over 

Moving On...
 

 

[Pravda]

Anyone else noticed this only happens to male "tourists"? 

[andy72]

2 minutes ago, Pravda said:

Anyone else noticed this only happens to male "tourists"? 

not so 

there was a case the at the end of june reported two weeks ago 
that took the press three months to jump over slow news week
but no visa issues she had ripped two pages out of her passport silly vacuous little instagrammer that she was in this now vacuous space we call humanity

spent 1 night in hellhole press took pity because of photogenic quality if you like that ladyboy fish pout look
 

[Nong Khai Man]

1 hour ago, yuiop said:

Yes that's true, I hear this advice a lot, but you do need to show a ticket to Thailand when applying for a visa in your home country don't you. A throw away ticket would be something expensive, then you will have to buy your ticket to let's say Malaysia. The all thing would cost a fortune if you buy a refundable ticket. Unless you enter visa exempt (by land crossing for example) or apply for a visa in a neighboring country. At this point, better to chose another country to spend your time and money.

I've NEVER Been asked to SHOW A Ticket to Thailand in the U.K When applying for a Visa, In fact It's always said " DO NOT BOOK TRAVEL UNTIL YOU GET A VISA ISSUED " I Even THINK that was posted in The Royal Thai Consulate in Liverpool....

Edited October 11, 2019 by Nong Khai Man
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[Satcommlee]

May have told them he had a Thai bank account, car or a Condo... Things which genuine tourists don't have.

[theoldgit]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I realize it is pie in the sky, and @BritTim has already made valid points, but to sue a consular service for issuing and charging for Visas that do not work would be some satisfaction!

A visa only allows you to travel to the border of said country, it's then up to the Immigration Officer at the point of entry to decide whether to admit the holder.
That said, in most countries an Immigration Officer can only refuse a visa holder admittance if they are satisfied, and in many countries convince their superior, that there has been a material change of circumstances since the visa was issued or that the visa was fraudulenty obtained.

 

Regarding an earlier post which asks if the carrier who delivered the passenger to Thailand is liable for the cost of the removal, yes they are but only if the passenger didn't have the correct documentation, in this case the passenger had a valid visa so the airline wouldn't be liable. In some countries the carrier is also liable for a fine and even the cost of detention. 

[spiekerjozef]

1 hour ago, captnhoy said:

Every now and then one of these denied entry reports mentions tea money openly, or subtly, being requested. I think that is what this is really about. A METV is a flag that it is important for you to be here therefore "pay my toll". If you are too dense to figure it out - off you go then back the way you came. That will be my assumption if denied entry in the future or re-entry on my current METV when it is time to see Vietnam and return.

Totally agree.

[spiekerjozef]

When are we gonna see an airline passenger with a visa coming into Thailand facing immigration with a hidden camera?

[Nong Khai Man]

2 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

When are we gonna see an airline passenger with a visa coming into Thailand facing immigration with a hidden camera?

Sooner rather than later,I Reckon......

[ChipButty]

2 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

When are we gonna see an airline passenger with a visa coming into Thailand facing immigration with a hidden camera?

You can do it next then?

[Isaanbiker]

8 hours ago, SteveK said:

Not if he made the newbie mistake of signing the "confession"!

 

He came from London, so Suvarnabhumi.

Not neccesarily true. You can fly from Lodnond to Don Muang, or to Phuket.

 

   https://www.google.co.th/flights?lite=0#flt=/m/04jpl.DMK.2019-11-01*DMK./m/04jpl.2019-11-16;c:EUR;e:1;sd:1;t:f

[Isaanbiker]

8 hours ago, SteveK said:

Not if he made the newbie mistake of signing the "confession"!

 

He came from London, so Suvarnabhumi.

Not neccesarily true. You can fly from London to Don Muang, or to Phuket.

 

   https://www.google.co.th/flights?lite=0#flt=/m/04jpl.DMK.2019-11-01*DMK./m/04jpl.2019-11-16;c:EUR;e:1;sd:1;t:f

[Mitkof Island]

16 hours ago, G950 said:

What does he dress and look like? IMHO it does matter when crossing a border.

Please try explaining that to the thousands of foreigners making border crossing and visiting Thai Immigration offices. They just don,t get it and wonder why they have such a difficult time in Thailand. Both men and women.

[NoshowJones]

10 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Sorry, something more is there in this story that the OP doesnt know or isnt telling us.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. A Thai in a nice uniform with a lot of discretion???????????

[Enoon]

52 minutes ago, Satcommlee said:

May have told them he had a Thai bank account, car or a Condo... Things which genuine tourists don't have.

 

It does seem strange that people think that, having declared the trappings of "settled" habitation, the IO will accept their claim of tourist status.

 

I would have thought that dreadlocks, backpack and BO would would do more to authenticise it .

 

My own method is to have a Chinese person walking in front of me with a flag, shouting and beckoning me towards the camera and fingerprint machine.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by Enoon

[NoshowJones]

10 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Why do they force a flight back to London?  Can he choose to take a flight somewhere else?  Do they just force your last departure origin or home country?

They will do what they want. They are Thais in Thailand and in a uniform with a lot of authority.

[NoshowJones]

9 hours ago, adammike said:

If you're wearing a suit you have come to do business you are not a tourist especially traveling economy class.

Who would travel long distance in economy wearing a suit? That would be some discomfort.

In all the years and many times, I don't think I have ever seen anyone in a suit and tie in economy class.

[NoshowJones]

8 hours ago, SteveK said:

I think the key point which you have mentioned is that he spent 8-9 months of the last year in Thailand, on tourist visas. People have been refused entry after having spent less time in the country. Obviously, you would suspect that if the Thai embassy in London specifically told him he would be fine, then this shouldn't have happened. It just shows that the staff in London don't have a clue what is really going on in the Thai immigration department which is pretty much a disgrace. They take your money, put a piece of paper in your passport, give incorrect advice and then you're on your own. Not good enough.

 

So what was he supposed to do? Ring Suvarnabhumi and ask them? How ridiculous.

 

One thing is for sure, this immigration debacle seems to be getting worse almost by the day. Someone should compile some of these reports and get in touch with some newspapers, sure someone would run the story. It should read "Thailand not letting tourists in - tourism industry flagging - government confused". Surely every time they refuse someone and destroy their travel plans, that person is going to relay the story to at least half a dozen people or even more. Eventually people will get the message that Thai immigration is now unfriendly and hostile towards repeat visitors and the hordes will start avoiding the country altogether. A great way to revive the flagging tourism industry!

Excellent post. Is it not the case that for some reason, probably financial this being Thailand, that they are trying to discourage western tourist for Indians and Chinese etc?

[Sydebolle]

Verify the story; I've heard quite a few challenging behaviors but - without giving him a valid reason - he would not have been sent back. Something does not tally here ...........