Popular Post Mac98 Posted November 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 22 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: How to deal with this issue: 1. Add 100 Baht to each plane ticket. OR 2. Make it difficult, bureaucratic, nonsensical, stupid and unintelligible in order to make every visitor angry. Which do you think will be chosen? Eleven baht to every tourist ticket would cover the bill. Thailand should cover all the bills for dog attacks, taxi driver attacks, lady boy attacks, ski boat attacks/injuries, food cart illnesses, sea water infections, and balcony plunges over knee-high railings. That ought to reduce the unpaid bills a good bit. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Muhendis said: A minor correction to the figures: It is 50% of hospital patients who leave without paying so out of the 9,000 mentioned the average bill would be just under 100,000 Baht. Note to myself not to ever use this very expensive hospital. A minor correction to your post. The 9,000 is one hospital. The 448 million baht is the total for Thailand for the period October 2018 to September 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisKC Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 44 minutes ago, joskeshake said: Maybe they could start to make normal bills that patients can pay, and not x10. My guess is that those who "run away" don't know how much the bill is because they don't care! And one would think those hospitals that seemingly have the common experience of "runaways" don't have already some system in place to prevent such things, E.G. someone (security??) standing at the exits where you have to show your receipt for payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stigar Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 i got 3,2 million kroner..now court say 1.7 million more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonyboy Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, dallen52 said: I still dont get it? How is it possible for a tourist or retirement extension person to rack up these costs. I had 3 days in Pattaya public hospital and I had to put 50,000 baht down payment before admission. Even when I went in with a not too serious condition one night, I still had to put 2000 down to cover the basic tests and consultation. Any unused was refunded. Pattaya public does not process insurance claims. You have to re claim yourself. Private hospitals want to see method of payment when you are wheeled in. If you have it. True,always been the same for me and everyone I know,and over the years there have been a few collections to help keep the treatment going for someones stay in a hospital,no cash,no stay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck2 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I wait for the typical Thai decree: please Thai insurance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jingjai9 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I have said this before, when I had surgery I had to pay a deposit. Why can't hospitals require a deposit in proportion to the projected costs of service? When I had the surgery I was on an work visa and not a tourist. Seems pretty simple to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 22 hours ago, FarangULong said: Anyone with a half decent credit card already has travel insurance. I do with both of mine (even though the insurance on my main card is more than enough, as it includes everything incl. being flown home in a medical plane, if needed). Problem solved. And if someone doesn't even qualify for a credit card, maybe they shouldn't be travelling and get their life in order instead. On a side note, when I read "3 nationalities", I immediately thought: "Gee, let's see. I'll go with Chinese and probably Russian." French does, admittedly, surprise me though. It could be because of the french health social security system. One of my friend has been very sick during his holidays here in Pattaya he was well treated at the Bangkok hospital, but the bill was huge and he had to pay from his pocket because the credit card insurance (One of the best gold credit card) answer to him (After a lot of fights and some days with no answers) get a refund first from the french health social security system, and after we can pay the difference (Less a franchise) he was <deleted> off to discover in fact his ''credit card insurance'' was pretty useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerculler Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, potless said: The stance of the Thai government in respect of O-A visa applicants is that only insurance issued by "approved" Thai companies is acceptable. So insurance purchased abroad by tourists, by the same reasoning, would be unacceptable ? This is where the whole thing of medical insurance has gone past even normal stupidity. It is all about lies,lies and corruption trying exhort more money from farang whether they long term stayers or tourists. Thai cannot and never will be able to do anything that is honest and sensible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy723 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 This is total BULL S*** if they treated 9000 people and half of them, 4,500 did not pay and the hospital lost 448 million that come to an average of 100,000 per person. I have been living in Thailand for 15years and i have been to the hospital 3 time and every time i had to put up from 10,000 baht to to 20,000 baht before they would even admit me into the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileydude Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Thai’s are required to purchase travel insurance (2 million coverage minimum) when applying for Schengen Visa’s. The US and the UK are exceptional where travel insurance isn’t required. The UK has an excellent National health system where you will be treated for emergencies regardless of having insurance or not. Not so in the US. I think its wise to purchase it. Even though tourists are contributing to the economies of the countries you visit you shouldn’t dump being responsible for your own health on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrens54 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 They (our “Hosts”) also conveniently forget the MANY THOUSANDS of Baht EVERY MONTH the “evil farang” retirees, husbands etc., POUR into the THAI ECONOMY. If they make it much more unpalatable to stay here and we all leave, there will be HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, If not MILLIONS of Thai Families looking to their Government for SUPPORT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisKC Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, ChrisKC said: You wouldn't unless you were an Immigration Officer! i think I know what you meant but I answered your literal comment with a literal response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaopad999 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Here we go ladies & gentlemen, just a way to push mandatory health insurance for all visa holders in Thailand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerculler Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, swifty5x5 said: It is illegal to take passports away That is correct. Give them a copy of your passport. Don’t get them to do the copy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joecoolfrog Posted November 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 Lets get some perspective here , the figures quoted are absolute peanuts compared with the losses suffered by the NHS each year from non EU tourists. And in many cases the NHS is specifically targetted as it is common knowledge that patients are seldom if ever turned away. God forbid that Thailand should actually be expected to give anything back in return for all the billions of tourist income it receives , just play the xenophobic card instead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy723 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 22 hours ago, BritManToo said: Result = almost no tourists. I do wonder how the 9,000 foreigners treated over the last year causes 448 Million in bills to be unpaid. Even if we're talking 10x the normal billing for foreigners. Why punish all countries just make the 3 countries that you say are doing this have insurance. But i still do not believe 90% of this strory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerculler Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Don Mega said: Yeah double pricing..thai pay Bt.200 and foreigner pay Bt.400,000. Bwahahahahahahahahaha, do you actually believe your own dribble ? It was only recently that the government instructed Govt. Hospitals to charge higher prices for farang patients. What does that tell us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Don Mega said: A minor correction to your post. The 9,000 is one hospital. The 448 million baht is the total for Thailand for the period October 2018 to September 2019. Many thanks but that raises the question in my mind about what the total number of non payers was for the entire country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy723 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 22 hours ago, BritManToo said: Result = almost no tourists. If Thailand and mainly the PM does not want expats here then why isn't he man enough to tell us to just get the F*** out of Thailand. 22 hours ago, BritManToo said: I do wonder how the 9,000 foreigners treated over the last year causes 448 Million in bills to be unpaid. Even if we're talking 10x the normal billing for foreigners. Why punish all countries just make the 3 countries that you say are doing this have insurance. But still do not believe 90% of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Muhendis said: Many thanks but that raises the question in my mind about what the total number of non payers was for the entire country. I'd hazard a guess and say a lot lot more than 4,500 people which brings the average per person amount skipped out on down considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, wwest5829 said: I would think that copying the Schengen Visa insurance requirement would work here in Thailand for tourists. Long stay retirees, I do not know about European requirements. I always carry the travel insurance for travel of Up to 2-3 months. Due to excluded pre-existing conditions, age and finances the current requirement for my O-A Visa in untenable. No it wouldnt, just more paperwork and checking and <deleted> for the tourist. Why dont they just tack on 100 baht for every entry, that would easily cover the entir e bill, much simpler, almost no paperwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deerculler said: It was only recently that the government instructed Govt. Hospitals to charge higher prices for farang patients. What does that tell us. Theyre ....insert expletive of choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy723 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said: Here we go ladies & gentlemen, just a way to push mandatory health insurance for all visa holders in Thailand No, it is the way to make the tourist rate drop from 20 which it is now to down 80 or 90 % Hello Vetiem and cambodia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuba Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 What a crock of sh!t this article is. Hospitals won't let you leave until they know they will get their money from someone. Just another ruse to justify a forthcoming plan they have for skimming more money off foreigners to make up for the shortfall of money spent by the missing tourists. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lemonltr Posted November 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 All businesses which hire out motorbikes, jetskis etc should be registered and forced to have comprehensive insurance policies covering their customers then pass it on in the rental price. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlastikbinLina Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 If foreign patients have had the misfortune to attend hospitals that charge over the top charging hospitals like the one that carries the name of the capital I can hardly blame them leaving without settling the account. A late friend of mine was asked to pay 450,000 cash deposit towards a triple bypass heart operation. They refused to accept the cheque he first arranged from a local bank. Cash only please. Sadly he didn't survive and his Thai wife couldn't pay the 250,000 balance. To add insult to loss the hospital refused to carry out an autopsy "we don't do that in this hospital" was the curt response to a grieving widow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dannyol Posted November 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 BS. Reading between the lines, I think this is a "scare" article to pave the way to require all expats to have health insurance in the future. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 17 hours ago, Traubert said: The application for a Shengen visa includes mandatory travel insurance that must comply with the terms stated on the application form. No insurance, no visa. Which may well be true. But as a US citizen I've travelled to multiple EU countries visa exempt and never been asked to show proof of insurance, which I had, upon entry. Even my Thai wife who is a US Permanent Resident when we went to the UK was never asked to show proof of insurance, and I don't recall it being a declaration on her UK visa application either. So you get back to the thorny issue of how do you enforce a travel insurance requirement, when for most Western tourists they are entering visa exempt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2554 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said: It could be because of the french health social security system. One of my friend has been very sick during his holidays here in Pattaya he was well treated at the Bangkok hospital, but the bill was huge and he had to pay from his pocket because the credit card insurance (One of the best gold credit card) answer to him (After a lot of fights and some days with no answers) get a refund first from the french health social security system, and after we can pay the difference (Less a franchise) he was <deleted> off to discover in fact his ''credit card insurance'' was pretty useless My wife is Thai and she has a Thai health insurance policy. When she visited Patong Hospital they say we do not accept insurance policy, pay cash and insurance company will cover your expences. I suppose that's a reason of many unpaid foreigner's bills. Having no cash enough you can not use your health insurance. BTW Bangkok Phuket Hospital accepted her policy next day and we didn't pay for their treatment. Maybe it's a government hospital issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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