EU may need to extend deadline for trade talks with UK: von der Leyen

[david555]

34 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

That's hilarious, he's clearly bricking it about (not) being able to compete with the UK if they adopt a low tax, low regulation model. He wants to tie us up in their rules and regulations like a ball and chain around our ankle just so their monolithic, intransigent organization has a chance to keep up.

 

He's certainly changed his tune since the election. History will not be kind to the last Parliament and in particular the likes of Grieve, Benn, Soubry and all the other traitors undermining the UK's negotiating position. Hilary Benn will be forever remembered as the instigator of the now failed "surrender act". Nice legacy Hilary, I'm sure Tony would have been so proud.

compared in Soibhuakao terms: 
 
a bar owners see a new bar opening besides him , beers and other half his prices .... he knows as a longer around  bar owner  that this  new bar can not hold that profitable ....!

But anyway short or long term the older bar shall also ruining his bar  ...at least until for the time the newcomer go bust ... 

Edited January 2, 2020 by david555

[david555]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

No … it shall be the beginning of ….it

[Opl]

“That oven-ready deal I talked about so much during the election campaign has already had its plastic covering pierced and been placed in the microwave,”, 

[JonnyF]

26 minutes ago, david555 said:

compared in Soibhuakao terms: 
 
a bar owners see a new bar opening besides him , beers and other half his prices .... he knows as a longer around  bar owner  that this  new bar can not hold that profitable ....!

But anyway short or long term the older bar shall also ruining his bar  ...at least until for the time the newcomer go bust ... 

I've read some poor analogies during my time on TV, but comparing the UK leaving the EU to rival beer bars on some rancid Pattaya sexpat soi is probably the worst.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I've read some poor analogies during my time on TV, but comparing the UK leaving the EU to rival beer bars on some rancid Pattaya sexpat soi is probably the worst.

true …. but that's just the one they would understand very clear here ….????

[Laughing Gravy]

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

true …. but that's just the one they would understand very clear here ….????

No. Its the one you understand. The rest of us leavers are more elegant and have a wider vocabulary. You should stop believing posters that those who voted leave hang around Wetherspoons all day.

 

Comparing anything political to a bar is.... well devoid of any class.????

[david555]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No. Its the one you understand. The rest of us leavers are more elegant and have a wider vocabulary. You should stop believing posters that those who voted leave hang around Wetherspoons all day.

 

Comparing anything political to a bar is.... well devoid of any class.????

well devoid of any class.

 

For sure if it is U.K. related ….., nothing wrong with insulting an ridiculing a high politic  leader  from E.U. (Juncker ) than it is allowed..... once more double standards....as always....

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

well devoid of any class.

 

For sure if it is U.K. related ….., nothing wrong with insulting an ridiculing a high politic  leader  from E.U. (Juncker ) than it is allowed..... once more double standards....as always....

In all fairness David, Mr Juncker ridicules himself, and not intentionally I hasten to add.

Edited January 2, 2020 by vogie

[Pattaya46]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

uy Verhofstadt appears to be having a reality check and doesn't seem very happy to have competition right on his doorstep, what a difference a Tory 80 seat majority makes.

I don't think that "a Tory 80 seat majority" makes any difference.

The only change from the EU point of view is that there is now - at last - someone who has the power to ratify this @#$%! Withdrawal agreement.

Now EU is thinking and talking about phase 2 : The Trade Agreement.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

true …. but that's just the one they would understand very clear here ….????

What about if the newcomer had more money than the old timer?the old timer would go brassic with the newcomer following him at a later date.

Edited January 2, 2020 by kingdong

[Enki]

On 12/29/2019 at 4:12 PM, nauseus said:

Most small UK businesses do not export to the EU and they will benefit from regulatory relief

No, they won't. How would they if they are not exporting to the EU? What damn EU regulation would be sanctioning businesses that don't export to the EU? Do you have mental problems?

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

well devoid of any class.

 

For sure if it is U.K. related ….., nothing wrong with insulting an ridiculing a high politic  leader  from E.U. (Juncker ) than it is allowed..... once more double standards....as always....

I think you may be at that bar you keep mentioning as your are speaking double dutch to me.

As for Juncker he makes his own case slapping people across the head. He is called a drunkard for a reason.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Pattaya46 said:

I don't think that "a Tory 80 seat majority" makes any difference.

The only change from the EU point of view is that there is now - at last - someone who has the power to ratify this @#$%! Withdrawal agreement.

Now EU is thinking and talking about phase 2 : The Trade Agreement.

The 80 seat majority makes a lot of difference, the rump parliament we had before the election tried everything in its power to stymie our departure from the EU, members were reminding us that when they did everything to stop us leaving that was parliamentary democracy, well now we have peoples democracy in parliament, how it should be. It was no secret that the EU didn't want us to leave, even Mr Verhofstadt was campaigning for the Lib/Dems, and who said that they would revoke Art50 when Jo Swinson became PM, now that went well didn't it. Boris Johnsons majority means there will be push me pull me going on in parliament, Boris basically has carte blanche to play it his way now, and I see the phrase 'buffoon' is not used as much these days.

 

Let's hope we can all agree on a trade agreement that is satisfactory to both our respective sides, but should one side want to cut off its nose to spite its face I'm sure Boris will make the correct decision. 

 

But you do know the reason we are leaving don't you, incase you have forgot here is Peter Shore to remind us all.

 

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

well devoid of any class.

 

For sure if it is U.K. related ….., nothing wrong with insulting an ridiculing a high politic  leader  from E.U. (Juncker ) than it is allowed..... once more double standards....as always....

I heard that Jean Claude was on the razz in Buakhao for his leaving do. New EU budget cuts and all that. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The 80 seat majority makes a lot of difference, the rump parliament we had before the election tried everything in its power to stymie our departure from the EU, members were reminding us that when they did everything to stop us leaving that was parliamentary democracy, well now we have peoples democracy in parliament, how it should be. It was no secret that the EU didn't want us to leave, even Mr Verhofstadt was campaigning for the Lib/Dems, and who said that they would revoke Art50 when Jo Swinson became PM, now that went well didn't it. Boris Johnsons majority means there will be push me pull me going on in parliament, Boris basically has carte blanche to play it his way now, and I see the phrase 'buffoon' is not used as much these days.

 

Let's hope we can all agree on a trade agreement that is satisfactory to both our respective sides, but should one side want to cut off its nose to spite its face I'm sure Boris will make the correct decision. 

 

But you do know the reason we are leaving don't you, incase you have forgot here is Peter Shore to remind us all.

 

 

Always enjoy seeing Heath the Deceitful silently seethe and cringe over by the wall - no applause from him of course.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Enki said:

No, they won't. How would they if they are not exporting to the EU? What damn EU regulation would be sanctioning businesses that don't export to the EU? Do you have mental problems?

All the blanket EU regulations that all businesses have to comply with, exporters or not. Mind your tongue.

Edited January 2, 2020 by nauseus

[Pattaya46]

41 minutes ago, nauseus said:

All the blanket EU regulations that all businesses have to comply with, exporters or not. Mind your tongue.

How do you know that products from this business who are sold today in its country only, will not be exported tomorrow in another country, directly or by a reseller ? 

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

How do you know that products from this business who are sold today in its country only, will not be exported tomorrow in another country, directly or by a reseller ? 

And they said leavers were fickerunem.

[baansgr]

I can see when the FTSE hits over 10,000 £=$2, minimal unemployment, thriving economy...the remainers will still be on their soap box spouting the same old drivel they have for the past four years...

[david555]

Oh dear dear ...it started already.....stagnation ....

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/02/uk-economy-stagnation-end-2019-survey-shows

[candide]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

And they said leavers were fickerunem.

He's actually starting to address quite relevant issues.

 

Let's assume (you did not prove anything yet) you are right that a regulatory relief may be achieved post-Brexit, that can significantly reduce cost for non-exporting businesses.

Now let's consider the following example: to companies doing the same business, only one of them is exporting 30% of its production.

(1) The exporting company would likely not be able to apply two different regulations so they would have to apply costly EU regulation to both domestic and non-domestic business. By doing so they would not be competitive any more on the domestic market. They would eventually have to stop exporting.

(2) the non-exporting company has absolutely no incentive to export.

 

[melvinmelvin]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I think you may be at that bar you keep mentioning as your are speaking double dutch to me.

As for Juncker he makes his own case slapping people across the head. He is called a drunkard for a reason.

 

double dutch?

 

Nah!, its all Greec to me!

 

[melvinmelvin]

5 hours ago, Enki said:

No, they won't. How would they if they are not exporting to the EU? What damn EU regulation would be sanctioning businesses that don't export to the EU? Do you have mental problems?

 

of course they would

 

ever heard of inner/common market?

 

a backroom business in Llandudno producing mainly for Jocks to buy would today produce

for the inner/common market, hence, relevant regulations must be followed

 

UK noe longer e member, UK is free to alter this

 

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, candide said:

He's actually starting to address quite relevant issues.

 

Let's assume (you did not prove anything yet) you are right that a regulatory relief may be achieved post-Brexit, that can significantly reduce cost for non-exporting businesses.

Now let's consider the following example: to companies doing the same business, only one of them is exporting 30% of its production.

(1) The exporting company would likely not be able to apply two different regulations so they would have to apply costly EU regulation to both domestic and non-domestic business. By doing so they would not be competitive any more on the domestic market. They would eventually have to stop exporting.

(2) the non-exporting company has absolutely no incentive to export.

 

He is not. He is confusing something quite straightforward, as are you.

[baansgr]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Oh dear dear ...it started already.....stagnation ....

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/02/uk-economy-stagnation-end-2019-survey-shows

Does anybody take this facist, racist comic seriously anymore....more truth in reading Beano

[bannork]

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

Does anybody take this facist, racist comic seriously anymore....more truth in reading Beano

Things could get desperate, Dan, if Boris ignores Adam Marshall, the BCC’s director general.

“They ( the government) also must move quickly over the coming weeks to ensure that Brexit is done right. A clear future trading relationship with the EU is also crucial to many firms’ future investment and growth prospects.”

[david555]

Richard Partington Economics correspondent
 @RJPartington  Thu 2 Jan 2020 13.01 GMT 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/02/brexit-trade-deal-unlikely-before-2021-business-leaders-say

 

Business hope fading for Brexit clarity in 2020, Bank says 
Bank of England survey suggests CFOs increasingly doubt PM’s election promises
Growing numbers of business leaders in the UK believe Brexit uncertainty will take longer to resolve than Boris Johnson pledged before the election, according to a Bank of England survey.

In a reflection of the challenges the government faces in striking a trade deal with the EU before the end of the year, Threadneedle Street said the date at which firms expected the issue to be clarified had been pushed further into the future.

According to the central bank’s decision maker panel, which surveys almost 3,000 chief financial officers from small, medium and large UK firms, as many as 42% said they thought the lack of clarity over Brexit that their business faced would not lift until at least 2021, up from 34% in November.

 

more...

 

 

 

Edited January 2, 2020 by david555

[david555]

( don't let me be misunderstood, i know this make no chance , but the further context shows the U.K. is full steaming ahead W.T.O.   ) 

 

Jon Craig
Chief political correspondent @joncraig
Friday 3 January 2020 04:08, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-corbyn-proposes-two-year-delay-to-prevent-no-deal-11900001 

Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn proposes two-year delay to prevent no-deal 
Labour's amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill is doomed to fail because of the Tories' large majority in the Commons.
Labour's amendment, which is doomed to fail now Boris Johnson has a Tory majority of 80 in parliament, would extend the Brexit transition period until 2023 if there is no deal by June.
 more...
 

Edited January 3, 2020 by david555

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

( don't let me be misunderstood, i know this make no chance , but the further context shows the U.K. is steady ahead full steam W.T.O.   )

 

Jon Craig
Chief political correspondent @joncraig
Friday 3 January 2020 04:08, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-corbyn-proposes-two-year-delay-to-prevent-no-deal-11900001

 

Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn proposes two-year delay to prevent no-deal 
Labour's amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill is doomed to fail because of the Tories' large majority in the Commons.
Labour's amendment, which is doomed to fail now Boris Johnson has a Tory majority of 80 in parliament, would extend the Brexit transition period until 2023 if there is no deal by June.
 more...
 

Labour are in cloud cuckoo land, nobody has told Corbyn that they have lost the General Election and whatever he says or does will have no consequence to us leaving the EU. It seems that Labour will never learn from their mistakes in the GE, they are still ignoring the wishes of the electorate.

 

Corbyn is so bad, many are now beginning to suspect he has been planted in the Labour party by the Tories.

[david555]

(as i mentioned before .... after the 10 of January it starts , and very soon about " the City " the E.U. has to decide …)

Daniel Boffey in Zagreb

Sat 11 Jan 2020 12.53 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/11/brexit-deal-eu-may-threaten-to-block-citys-access-to-its-markets

Brexit deal: EU may threaten 'to block' City's access to its markets

Croatia’s prime minister, Andrej Plenković, hinted at move to ensure level playing field

 

The EU will be unashamedly “political” and block the City of London’s access to European markets if Boris Johnson tries to exempt the UK from its laws.

Croatia’s prime minister, Andrej Plenković, whose country is taking over the presidency of the EU, made the bloc’s intentions clear after the prime minister insisted the UK would not be aligned to the bloc’s regulations.

Asked whether the EU would use its power to switch off the City’s ability to serve European clients to gain leverage in the coming negotiations with Britain, Plenković said: “I wouldn’t go into the vocabulary of weapons but what I have learned in international and European negotiations [is] that all arguments and considerations are treated as political.”

Edited January 12, 2020 by david555