Kwasaki Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 12/27/2019 at 5:38 PM, snoop1130 said: President Ursula von der Leyen Oh dear another TM in the mix. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Creating a comprehensive deal between EU and UK is not feasible in the timeframe. There will either be a barebone deal between EU and UK. Or there might not be no deal at all. This naturally does not mean no deals at all, but some interim deals, which are thought to be humain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Kwasaki said: Oh dear another TM in the mix. And this one out of reach from U.K. conservatives politic coup moves (a la Boris way )....as opposite to our former "E.U. agent "in Westminster ..????... Edited January 18, 2020 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) Now I am really confused …. does he mean after the transition period end 2020 or already now after 31 January ?….. As in last case ….. the trade talks shall be as good as nothing I guess ….as for that the transition is intended????...."you know keep Airplanes flying etc....."???? Same story on both Sky and Guardian https://news.sky.com/story/pm-to-give-brexit-day-speech-as-chancellor-tells-businesses-to-adjust-11911290 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/savid-javid-warns-there-will-be-no-alignment-on-eu-regulations-after-brexit Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent @lisaocarroll Sat 18 Jan 2020 10.21 GMT First published on Sat 18 Jan 2020 07.30 GMT Sajid Javid: no alignment on EU regulations after Brexit Chancellor’s comments represent ‘death knell for frictionless trade’, experts warn The chancellor, Sajid Javid, has warned that there will be no alignment with EU regulations once Britain’s exit from the European Union is made official. In what is being seen as an opening salvo in the next stage of negotiations, he said the Treasury would not lend support to manufacturers that favour EU rules as the sector has had three years to prepare for Britain’s transition. In an interview with the Financial Times, he said: “There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union – and we will do this by the end of the year. Edited January 18, 2020 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, david555 said: Now I am really confused …. does he mean after the transition period end 2020 or already now after 31 January ?….. As in last case ….. the trade talks shall be as good as nothing I guess ….as for that the transition is intended????...."you know keep Airplanes flying etc....."???? Same story on both Sky and Guardian https://news.sky.com/story/pm-to-give-brexit-day-speech-as-chancellor-tells-businesses-to-adjust-11911290 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/savid-javid-warns-there-will-be-no-alignment-on-eu-regulations-after-brexit Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent @lisaocarroll Sat 18 Jan 2020 10.21 GMT First published on Sat 18 Jan 2020 07.30 GMT Sajid Javid: no alignment on EU regulations after Brexit Chancellor’s comments represent ‘death knell for frictionless trade’, experts warn The chancellor, Sajid Javid, has warned that there will be no alignment with EU regulations once Britain’s exit from the European Union is made official. In what is being seen as an opening salvo in the next stage of negotiations, he said the Treasury would not lend support to manufacturers that favour EU rules as the sector has had three years to prepare for Britain’s transition. In an interview with the Financial Times, he said: “There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union – and we will do this by the end of the year. pretty sure that he means as of February this year . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: pretty sure that he means as of February this year . . . Perhaps not as fast as February, but no-deal, super separation will eventually happen. It is what the UK people voted for. It is what they will get. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said: pretty sure that he means as of February this year . . . "and we will do this by the end of the year. " But this phrase as end line from my copy paste from article mention end of this year …., first I understood also he blow up the transmission period ….confusing ….. could be quick finished then the transition agreements with of course consequences 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheDark said: Perhaps not as fast as February, but no-deal, super separation will eventually happen. It is what the UK people voted for. It is what they will get. only this end line " And we will do this by the end of this year " Looks like U.K. still they don't know what they want... as so they shall also not get much Edited January 18, 2020 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, david555 said: only this end line still they don't know what they want as so they shall also not get much Each and everyone will get what they deserved at the end of the day. Some people, who hold the power, might think that they have the upper hand in this came. At the end of the day, they will learn what is coming to them. People will not stand for too long being fooled by those who like to play the strings. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 55 minutes ago, david555 said: "and we will do this by the end of the year. " But this phrase as end line from my copy paste from article mention end of this year …., first I understood also he blow up the transmission period ….confusing ….. could be quick finished then the transition agreements with of course consequences ok, but the lack of support will be as of Feb this year at any rate as one say in Yorkshire, language like this is likely to seriously hamper the trade deal talks but maybe BJ et al feels on top of the world now and are fully prepared to swallow degraded US food products along with US influence on health related products and services enjoy seems BJ is not able to do things quietly, must create noise wherever . . . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: ok, but the lack of support will be as of Feb this year at any rate as one say in Yorkshire, language like this is likely to seriously hamper the trade deal talks but maybe BJ et al feels on top of the world now and are fully prepared to swallow degraded US food products along with US influence on health related products and services enjoy seems BJ is not able to do things quietly, must create noise wherever . . . I think this is the best comparison description to explain the phenomena BJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 5 hours ago, TheDark said: Perhaps not as fast as February, but no-deal, super separation will eventually happen. It is what the UK people voted for. It is what they will get. Here's hoping. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) It looks like he go help the E.U. out of the African boat refugees problem...., by let them come safe by air straight to the U.K. ….Thanks PM Boris ???? It must be true ...as even the Thorygraph mention it … ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/20/time-ripe-fully-unlock-uk-africas-trade-potential/ ) ???? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/20/brexit-uk-immigration-will-put-people-before-passports-johnson-tells-african-leaders Brexit: UK immigration will 'put people before passports', Johnson tells African leaders PM’s light-on-detail speech at investment summit extols benefits of trade after EU exit Boris Johnson has promised that the UK’s new immigration policy will put “people before passports” as he used his first set-piece speech of 2020 to extol the benefits of trade with post-Brexit Britain to a major gathering of African leaders. Addressing more than two dozen African presidents and prime ministers in an opening speech to the UK-Africa investment summit in London on Monday, the prime minister said the UK was the “ultimate one-stop shop” for trade, education and tech. “Look around the world today and you will swiftly see that the UK is not only the obvious partner of choice, we’re also very much the partner of today, of tomorrow and decades to come,” he said in a speech focusing more on general entreaties than specific policy ideas. Johnson said people from African countries could benefit from the still-to-be detailed changes to the immigration system after Brexit, which will end the free movement of people to and from EU nations. Edited January 20, 2020 by david555 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jan/20/labour-leadership-candidates-urge-party-to-change-terrible-format-for-official-hustings-live-news?page=with:block-5e2599498f08a6950eb45504#block-5e2599498f08a6950eb45504 Part of live events today link : It looks like it's Time for the Uk to sh.it or get off the pot ???? Edited January 20, 2020 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, david555 said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jan/20/labour-leadership-candidates-urge-party-to-change-terrible-format-for-official-hustings-live-news?page=with:block-5e2599498f08a6950eb45504#block-5e2599498f08a6950eb45504 Part of live events today link : I really don't think that the UK is too bothered about the EUs intransigence any more David, the EU is laying out their red lines even before the negotiations have even begun. It was reported in the Daily Mail (don't laugh, they can be correct) that the UK government is secretly planning for a 'no deal' option in December if the talks fail. Javid said "The Chancellor told the Financial Times: 'There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule-taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union and we will do this by the end of the year.' And on top of this they want us to include our fishing rights in the negotiations, maybe we will get a better deal if we are outside the EU and not be treated as some pariah state whilst still in. The talks are doomed before we even begin, but as the Thais say 'up to them' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902843/Ministers-secretly-restart-No-Deal-plans-amid-fears-trade-talks-Brussels-collapse.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, vogie said: I really don't think that the UK is too bothered about the EUs intransigence any more David, the EU is laying out their red lines even before the negotiations have even begun. It was reported in the Daily Mail (don't laugh, they can be correct) that the UK government is secretly planning for a 'no deal' option in December if the talks fail. Javid said "The Chancellor told the Financial Times: 'There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule-taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union and we will do this by the end of the year.' And on top of this they want us to include our fishing rights in the negotiations, maybe we will get a better deal if we are outside the EU and not be treated as some pariah state whilst still in. The talks are doomed before we even begin, but as the Thais say 'up to them' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902843/Ministers-secretly-restart-No-Deal-plans-amid-fears-trade-talks-Brussels-collapse.html Like I also predicted few weeks ago ….WTO , there is no other way , the water is to deep in the channel . Let's hope they both keep it at least for the common people on both sides reasonable, and not make tit for tat or ping pong on their account ... For some funny comments both sided ones https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/20/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-uk-africa-summit-labour-leadership/#comments Edited January 20, 2020 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jan/23/brexit-boris-johnson-labour-leadershiop-eu-official-tells-johnson-to-face-dose-of-realism-as-he-claims-brexit-now-crossing-finish-line--live-news#comments Part of the live feed : it seems a no deal would not be so bad for N-Ireland and Ireland as different because of the W.A. voted and implicating N-Ireland stays effectively in the single market Edited January 23, 2020 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, david555 said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jan/23/brexit-boris-johnson-labour-leadershiop-eu-official-tells-johnson-to-face-dose-of-realism-as-he-claims-brexit-now-crossing-finish-line--live-news#comments Part of the live feed : it seems a no deal would not be so bad for N-Ireland and Ireland as different because of the W.A. voted and implicating N-Ireland stays effectively in the single market The current Boris government cares nothing else than taking care of the bankers, the millionaire and billionaire investors, who can hide their moneys from governmental scrutiny. If there is no deal. That's fine as it means that EU can not get it's investigative fingers to see where UK's super rich people hide their moneys from taxpayers eyes. That is the goal why these well off bankers and their beneficiaries were so keen to Get Brexit Done. For the rich, from the people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheDark said: The current Boris government cares nothing else than taking care of the bankers, the millionaire and billionaire investors, who can hide their moneys from governmental scrutiny. If there is no deal. That's fine as it means that EU can not get it's investigative fingers to see where UK's super rich people hide their moneys from taxpayers eyes. That is the goal why these well off bankers and their beneficiaries were so keen to Get Brexit Done. For the rich, from the people. Their (U.K.)problem..., only the Scots shall ask why N Ireland in the single market and we Scot's not …? And after them the Welsh ..????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, david555 said: Their (U.K.)problem..., only the Scots shall ask why N Ireland in the single market and we Scot's not …? And after them the Welsh ..????? UK's rich problem will become reality when their subjects start to ask "Why do we pay taxes and get austerity, while the rich folks don't pay taxes and live like royals?". Only after that happens, there is a real change for the better.. or worse, who knows. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/28/eu-to-start-talks-with-uk-on-post-brexit-relationship-on-3-march EU to start talks with UK on post-Brexit relationship on 3 March Negotiators face challenging 10-month deadline as leaked EU papers warn of ‘cliff edge’ Negotiations on the UK’s post-Brexit relationship with the EU will start on 3 March, the Guardian has learned. Officials led by Michel Barnier and Boris Johnson’s Europe adviser, David Frost, will embark on the vital talks in the spring with a challenging 10-month deadline.The UK is due to leave the EU on Friday at midnight central European time – nearly four years since the referendum. The prime minister has said he will not extend the transition period past 31 December 2020. Until then, the UK will stay in the single market and customs union. A leaked internal document from the EU member states, seen by the Guardian, notes that without a deal by the end of December 2020, there will be a “cliff edge” in many areas and “no return to the status quo” Once the talks start in earnest on 3 March, it will be access to fishing ……... more.... Edited January 28, 2020 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 12:30 AM, david555 said: Their (U.K.)problem..., only the Scots shall ask why N Ireland in the single market and we Scot's not …? And after them the Welsh ..????? In all fairness Newcastle posed the same question too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/27/what-has-the-eu-been-up-to-in-the-run-up-to-brexit Jennifer Rankin in Brussels Mon 27 Jan 2020 16.13 GMT What has the EU been up to in the run-up to Brexit? Brussels firms up position and bloc’s unity before tough talks on future relationship with UK While the UK parliament has passed the EU withdrawal agreement and argued over whether Big Ben bongs at the moment of Brexit, the European Union has been sharpening its position for the next phase of talks. Over this month, more than 200 EU diplomats have taken part in 11 seminars totalling more than 35 hours. Led by the team of the chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, the seminars, which conclude on Wednesday with a meeting of EU ambassadors, are intended to keep the bloc together, before difficult talks on the post-Brexit future relationship. What have we learned? The EU’s opening offer has been confirmed: the UK will be given a zero-tariff, zero-quota free-trade deal, in exchange for signing up to core EU standards to protect the environment, workers’ and consumers’ rights, and avoiding “unfair” state subsidies. Known as “the level playing field”, these standards are like a slogan through a stick of rock for the EU. more... Edited January 28, 2020 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 5:52 PM, TheDark said: UK's rich problem will become reality when their subjects start to ask "Why do we pay taxes and get austerity, while the rich folks don't pay taxes and live like royals?". Only after that happens, there is a real change for the better.. or worse, who knows. They have been too well conditioned not to ask. Just to blame those lower down the food chain: migrants, the unemployed, those who made previous mistakes in life... Divide and rule. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 hours ago, david555 said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/27/what-has-the-eu-been-up-to-in-the-run-up-to-brexit Jennifer Rankin in Brussels Mon 27 Jan 2020 16.13 GMT What has the EU been up to in the run-up to Brexit? Brussels firms up position and bloc’s unity before tough talks on future relationship with UK While the UK parliament has passed the EU withdrawal agreement and argued over whether Big Ben bongs at the moment of Brexit, the European Union has been sharpening its position for the next phase of talks. Over this month, more than 200 EU diplomats have taken part in 11 seminars totalling more than 35 hours. Led by the team of the chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, the seminars, which conclude on Wednesday with a meeting of EU ambassadors, are intended to keep the bloc together, before difficult talks on the post-Brexit future relationship. What have we learned? The EU’s opening offer has been confirmed: the UK will be given a zero-tariff, zero-quota free-trade deal, in exchange for signing up to core EU standards to protect the environment, workers’ and consumers’ rights, and avoiding “unfair” state subsidies. Known as “the level playing field”, these standards are like a slogan through a stick of rock for the EU. more... Yes...they will want more....money and all the fish they can eat, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, nauseus said: Yes...they will want more....money and all the fish they can eat, perhaps? About the fish … I am not a "fish and chips" guy , but sometimes ,… but prefer a good beef or horse steak …, however the 3 March opening date would better replaced by 1 April (fools) day....more accurate day ???? Anyway Independence day is close happening ....and a strange immediate start as a 1 year rule taker..., "vasal deal" from May Boris as last trial chance offer ???? "Britain leaves the EU and they can't even get a clock to ring " ???? “Easiest deal in human history” -Liam Fox, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 hours ago, david555 said: About the fish … I am not a "fish and chips" guy , but sometimes ,… but prefer a good beef or horse steak …, however the 3 March opening date would better replaced by 1 April (fools) day....more accurate day ???? Anyway Independence day is close happening ....and a strange immediate start as a 1 year rule taker..., "vasal deal" from May Boris as last trial chance offer ???? "Britain leaves the EU and they can't even get a clock to ring " ???? “Easiest deal in human history” -Liam Fox, 2016 What's significant about 3rd March? Is it national "flogging a dead horse" day? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, nauseus said: What's significant about 3rd March? Is it national "flogging a dead horse" day? Yes the horse The U.K. is flogging already 3 years now , with no result . Remember a saying : " you can bring a horse to the water , but can not force it to drink …"???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, david555 said: Yes the horse The U.K. is flogging already 3 years now , with no result . Remember a saying : " you can bring a horse to the water , but can not force it to drink …"???? Are you still smarting over we are actually leaving...? And it seems your EU is starting to whimper over the UK cash loss, and how YOU are going to pay for the loss.....Chin up.....???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, transam said: Are you still smarting over we are actually leaving...? And it seems your EU is starting to whimper over the UK cash loss, and how YOU are going to pay for the loss.....Chin up.....???? yeah , you won all over.... ????an now for the 100th time you go see us go flat belly at the end of 2020 …..(SNAP! Fingers noice )… wake up ! Edited January 29, 2020 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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