Labour Party Brexit spokesman Starmer ahead in leadership race - poll

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Labour Party Brexit spokesman Starmer ahead in leadership race - poll

 

FILE PHOTO: Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer speaks during a Labour Party general election campaign meeting in Harlow, Britain November 5, 2019. REUTERS/Hannah McKay

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Keir Starmer, Brexit spokesman for Britain’s opposition Labour Party, has emerged as the early front runner in the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn as leader, according to a poll of members.

 

The party is expected to elect a new leader in March after the veteran socialist Corbyn said he would step down following his party’s heavy election defeat at the hands of Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Conservatives in December.

 

Starmer has not yet said whether he will run for the leadership but is expected to launch a campaign in the coming weeks.

 

A YouGov poll of party members published in the Guardian newspaper put support for Starmer on 61% in a run off against Rebecca Long-Bailey, the party’s business spokeswoman who has strong ties with trade unions and the left wing of the party that backed Corbyn.

 

The poll put support for Long-Bailey on 39%, when respondents were given a choice between the two.

 

Starmer was the first choice in all regions of the country however his support waned among party members who voted to leave the European Union as opposed to those who wanted to remain.

 

The 57-year-old, who represents a north London constituency, was seen as instrumental in pushing the party to back a second referendum on leaving the bloc.

 

The poll surveyed 1,059 Labour members but did not include all potential voters in the contest, many of whom are eligible through trade union membership.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-02

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[melvinmelvin]

 

Cons in HoC, do they listen when Starmer has the floor, or do they just switch off?

same same

SNPs in HoC, listen or switch off?

 

 

[3NUMBAS]

just what they need a champagne socialist millionaire to lead them to disaster again..he will be hounded by the press for sure

[melvinmelvin]

42 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

just what they need a champagne socialist millionaire to lead them to disaster again..he will be hounded by the press for sure

 

ample supplies of champagne often turn disasters into smth bearable

 

 

[blazes]

Welcome back, Tony Blair.

 

Lead us not into the Weapons of Mass Destruction that Brussels' regulations have become.....

[Nigel Garvie]

50 minutes ago, blazes said:

Welcome back, Tony Blair.

 

Lead us not into the Weapons of Mass Destruction that Brussels' regulations have become.....

I read that as "Lead us not into the Wetherspoons of mass degeneration". I must get my specs checked.

 

You'd have to spend a long time in there till you reached a state where you could no longer see the difference between Tony Blair and Keir Starmer.

 

 

 

[ivor bigun]

Blair mk 2, mind you i doubt he could ever be hated as much as Blair is,

[Nigel Garvie]

14 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

Cons in HoC, do they listen when Starmer has the floor, or do they just switch off?

same same

SNPs in HoC, listen or switch off?

 

 

Surprise surprise, the Labour Party may actually want to get elected next time. 

 

But does anyone listen to the Conservative front bench, when they are indulging in their pompous rants, they surely switch off. If the alternative to hearing Boris in full on lying mode was to be run over by a tank, many would prefer the tank option.

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Surprise surprise, the Labour Party may actually want to get elected next time. 

 

But does anyone listen to the Conservative front bench, when they are indulging in their pompous rants, they surely switch off. If the alternative to hearing Boris in full on lying mode was to be run over by a tank, many would prefer the tank option.

Surprise surprise, the Labour Party may actually want to get elected next time. 

 

And you think that Keir Starmers charasmatic appeal will give them victory at the next election. ????????????

[RichardColeman]

Seriously, anyone that actually said to the cameras that Labour would WIN the last election is so out of touch they should never be in politics, especially one that was involved in their disaster. 

[JonnyF]

SIR Keir Starmer, the multi millionaire champagne socialist who spent the last 3 years trying to overturn the democratic vote to leave the EU? That Keir Stamer?

 

Yeah, he's sure to appeal to the Brexit voting northern heartlands. ????

[roquefort]

31 minutes ago, vogie said:

Surprise surprise, the Labour Party may actually want to get elected next time. 

 

And you think that Keir Starmers charasmatic appeal will give them victory at the next election. ????????????

At least he's electable and has held down a proper job, which is more than can be said for Corbyn. Starmer's problem is that he's a diehard Remainer, and that train has left the station.

[Jonnapat]

A lot of nonsense being posted abour Keir Starmer being a champagne socialist.  His net worth according to Wikipedia is somewhere between 100,000 - 1 million pounds, chicken feed in these days of billionaires.

He is a "moderate" within the Labour Party and would be far more popular with swing voters than any of the other possible candidates. 

With his lawyers hat on you will see he has done much pro bono work for good causes and received his honour for such actions. 

A great spokesman for the anti Brexit cause and why not compare him to Tony Blair?. People with blinkers on only think of Blair being conned by Bush and Cheney to join the Iraq war which incidentally was also supported by the Tories. Put this aside and look at the remarkable achievements by his government, both economically and socially, particularly in the fields of healthcare and education. And for us Brits with exchange problems, look at the value of the pound during his 10 years in office.

Too many people post without knowing or bothering to research the true facts.

[sammieuk1]

Will he be the the PM in next years election when Boris steers the Titanic into the EU iceberg who knows who cares ???? 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Surprise surprise, the Labour Party may actually want to get elected next time. 

 

But does anyone listen to the Conservative front bench, when they are indulging in their pompous rants, they surely switch off. If the alternative to hearing Boris in full on lying mode was to be run over by a tank, many would prefer the tank option.

 

Judging by the results of the elections, many Labour supporters now do!

 

As if Corbyn or any of his androids were honest - 555!

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

A lot of nonsense being posted abour Keir Starmer being a champagne socialist.  His net worth according to Wikipedia is somewhere between 100,000 - 1 million pounds, chicken feed in these days of billionaires.

He is a "moderate" within the Labour Party and would be far more popular with swing voters than any of the other possible candidates. 

With his lawyers hat on you will see he has done much pro bono work for good causes and received his honour for such actions. 

A great spokesman for the anti Brexit cause and why not compare him to Tony Blair?. People with blinkers on only think of Blair being conned by Bush and Cheney to join the Iraq war which incidentally was also supported by the Tories. Put this aside and look at the remarkable achievements by his government, both economically and socially, particularly in the fields of healthcare and education. And for us Brits with exchange problems, look at the value of the pound during his 10 years in office.

Too many people post without knowing or bothering to research the true facts.

"Too many people post without knowing or bothering to research the true facts."

 

You think that Wiki is true facts?

 

 

[Pedrogaz]

From socialist stock with a name like Keir. I don't know the guy so don't really have an opinion of him yet. Let's see what he says in the leadership race. I hope he sticks with Labour's manifesto policies and isn't a LINO or Covert Tory.

Let's get rid of everyones-a-victim, identity politics and get back to Labour's roots of raising living standards and wages for people who work for a living, and closing the tax loopholes for the obscenely rich and multinationals.

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, roquefort said:

At least he's electable and has held down a proper job, which is more than can be said for Corbyn. Starmer's problem is that he's a diehard Remainer, and that train has left the station.

Indeed.

It appears that many are stuck in the symplistic "Millionaire Champagne Socialist" groove. Times have changed, anyone with a moderately sized house anywhere near the centre of London, is a millionaire. Champagne is no longer particularly expensive (It is just pish water to me, tastes foul, if you want a good bubbly white try Blanquette de Limoux). Socialists are no longer expected to live in squalor to prove how noble and self sacrificing they are. The Tories are awash with millionaires, indeed multi millionaires, many with inherited wealth (Starmer was a hard working top lawyer and DPP, he earned the bulk of his money).

Try removing the beam from your own eyes before making a fuss about the motes in the eyes of others.

 

"Starmer's problem is that he's a diehard Remainer, and that train has left the station." The train has left the station it is true, but I can't imagine that it will be a big issue in 5 years time. I expect that leavers will by then be wondering how they could possibly have been taken in by Farage et al, as UK plc continues to decline (Overtaken by India already, and about to be pushed into 7th place by France). Why they should blame Starmer anymore than any other person who supported Remain I can't see. If a week is a long time in politics, how long is 5 years? 

 

 

[samran]

2 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

A lot of nonsense being posted abour Keir Starmer being a champagne socialist.  His net worth according to Wikipedia is somewhere between 100,000 - 1 million pounds, chicken feed in these days of billionaires.

He is a "moderate" within the Labour Party and would be far more popular with swing voters than any of the other possible candidates. 

With his lawyers hat on you will see he has done much pro bono work for good causes and received his honour for such actions. 

A great spokesman for the anti Brexit cause and why not compare him to Tony Blair?. People with blinkers on only think of Blair being conned by Bush and Cheney to join the Iraq war which incidentally was also supported by the Tories. Put this aside and look at the remarkable achievements by his government, both economically and socially, particularly in the fields of healthcare and education. And for us Brits with exchange problems, look at the value of the pound during his 10 years in office.

Too many people post without knowing or bothering to research the true facts.

It’s called throwing mud and hoping that it sticks. 
 

I mean, it’s not like those on the government benches are salt of the earth types either...

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Indeed.

It appears that many are stuck in the symplistic "Millionaire Champagne Socialist" groove. Times have changed, anyone with a moderately sized house anywhere near the centre of London, is a millionaire. Champagne is no longer particularly expensive (It is just pish water to me, tastes foul, if you want a good bubbly white try Blanquette de Limoux). Socialists are no longer expected to live in squalor to prove how noble and self sacrificing they are. The Tories are awash with millionaires, indeed multi millionaires, many with inherited wealth (Starmer was a hard working top lawyer and DPP, he earned the bulk of his money).

Try removing the beam from your own eyes before making a fuss about the motes in the eyes of others.

 

"Starmer's problem is that he's a diehard Remainer, and that train has left the station." The train has left the station it is true, but I can't imagine that it will be a big issue in 5 years time. I expect that leavers will by then be wondering how they could possibly have been taken in by Farage et al, as UK plc continues to decline (Overtaken by India already, and about to be pushed into 7th place by France). Why they should blame Starmer anymore than any other person who supported Remain I can't see. If a week is a long time in politics, how long is 5 years? 

 

 

Being a champagne Socialist is not only associated to your wealth (although Starmer also ticks the wealthy box after 30 years in senior positions in law and politics). If you think he's worth a hundred grand, well... Any reference to his millionaire status was recently removed from Wikipedia when he decided to run for the leadership.

 

 

Born and raised in London before being Oxford educated, worked as a barrister before becoming part of the political class. A Europhile who opposes the democratic wishes of the electorate. Part of the Westminster elite, the closest he ever gets to immigrants is probably his Polish nanny or his Romanian cleaner. 

 

You think northern Labour voters are going to warm to him? Think they'll forget his betrayal of their vote? I'm sure he'd love everyone to forget the last 3 years but people are not that fickle, unfortunately for Sir Keir.

[Thingamabob]

It really doesn't matter who gets the job. Labour will be sidelined for the next 10-15 years, maybe longer.

[roquefort]

 

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

"Starmer's problem is that he's a diehard Remainer, and that train has left the station." The train has left the station it is true, but I can't imagine that it will be a big issue in 5 years time. I expect that leavers will by then be wondering how they could possibly have been taken in by Farage et al, as UK plc continues to decline (Overtaken by India already, and about to be pushed into 7th place by France). Why they should blame Starmer anymore than any other person who supported Remain I can't see. If a week is a long time in politics, how long is 5 years? 

 

. 

Northern Labour voters will certainly not forgive or forget his attempts to obstruct the the implementation of a democratically decided vote. He may attract some Remain supporters though who just couldn't stomach voting for Corbyn.

 

If you're talking GDP,  it's not surprising that the UK (population 65m) has been overtaken by India (population 1.5bn), it's a simple question of arithmetic. UK GDP growth has been held back for 3 years by the Starmer-led Brexit fiasco and will now get a nice boost, while the French are busy manning the barricades and striking to hold on to an unsustainable pension system. I know who my money's on for the next 3 years.

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Blair mk 2, mind you i doubt he could ever be hated as much as Blair is,

If we are talking about electability, that would be the Tony Blair who won 3 elections in a row. The one guy who the Tories have always been nervous about. However, the same goes for the Corbynistas.

[SheungWan]

14 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

It really doesn't matter who gets the job. Labour will be sidelined for the next 10-15 years, maybe longer.

Actually it can make a difference whether the government has an effective or useless opposition on the other side of the aisle. All oppositions are 'sidelined' by definition where the government has a good working majority. But the government of the day does not have a blank cheque particularly when crises emerge.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, samran said:

It’s called throwing mud and hoping that it sticks. 
I mean, it’s not like those on the government benches are salt of the earth types either...

You will find that er maybe 100% of those on this thread throwing champagne socialist barbs at Keir Starmer were last month totally lined up behind William Rees-Mogg. Remember him?

[The Old Bull]

18 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

just what they need a champagne socialist millionaire to lead them to disaster again..he will be hounded by the press for sure

Cadillac commies they call them in Canada

[SheungWan]

22 minutes ago, roquefort said:

 

Northern Labour voters will certainly not forgive or forget his attempts to obstruct the the implementation of a democratically decided vote. He may attract some Remain supporters though who just couldn't stomach voting for Corbyn.

If you're talking GDP,  it's not surprising that the UK (population 65m) has been overtaken by India (population 1.5bn), it's a simple question of arithmetic. UK GDP growth has been held back for 3 years by the Starmer-led Brexit fiasco and will now get a nice boost, while the French are busy manning the barricades and striking to hold on to an unsustainable pension system. I know who my money's on for the next 3 years.

If there is one thing that can be guaranteed over the next 10 years it is that the Grumpy Old Guys who haven't passed on, will be fighting the last war as usual.

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

From socialist stock with a name like Keir. I don't know the guy so don't really have an opinion of him yet. Let's see what he says in the leadership race. I hope he sticks with Labour's manifesto policies and isn't a LINO or Covert Tory.

Let's get rid of everyones-a-victim, identity politics and get back to Labour's roots of raising living standards and wages for people who work for a living, and closing the tax loopholes for the obscenely rich and multinationals.

The Labour Party manifesto was a part of the suicide note.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Being a champagne Socialist is not only associated to your wealth (although Starmer also ticks the wealthy box after 30 years in senior positions in law and politics). If you think he's worth a hundred grand, well... Any reference to his millionaire status was recently removed from Wikipedia when he decided to run for the leadership.

 

 

Born and raised in London before being Oxford educated, worked as a barrister before becoming part of the political class. A Europhile who opposes the democratic wishes of the electorate. Part of the Westminster elite, the closest he ever gets to immigrants is probably his Polish nanny or his Romanian cleaner. 

 

You think northern Labour voters are going to warm to him? Think they'll forget his betrayal of their vote? I'm sure he'd love everyone to forget the last 3 years but people are not that fickle, unfortunately for Sir Keir.

I guess you think Rees-Mogg had a better nanny.

[roquefort]

24 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

You will find that er maybe 100% of those on this thread throwing champagne socialist barbs at Keir Starmer were last month totally lined up behind William Rees-Mogg. Remember him?

You mean Jacob's father? Yes, I remember him.