Survey finds most disagree with dual role of military top-brass

[snoop1130]

Survey finds most disagree with dual role of military top-brass 

By The Nation

 

 

Super Poll revealed today (January 6) that 75.4 per cent of those surveyed on January 2-4 agreed with the proposal of Chuan Leekpai, President of the National Assembly, to change the constitution prohibiting military commanders to serve simultaneously as senators as it is inappropriate for them to receive salaries from both positions.

 

24.6 per cent disagreed with the proposal out of fear that it might lead to conflict with the military while saying that the economy should be the priority. 

 

43.7 per cent of the respondents believed that the government had messed up the economy while 20.7 per cent blamed the opposition.

 

On Future Forward Party, 42.8 per cent said that they would not be bothered by its dissolution. 30.7 per cent thought that it would have a negative effect while 26.5 per cent disagreed with such a move.

 

The number of people who believed that the country would move forward this year has dropped from 68.5 per cent in October 2019 to 52.5 per cent.

 

The number of people who took the opposing view increased from 31.5 per cent to 47.8 per cent.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30380211

 

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[BobbyL]

In the 21st century a military or its staff should have absolutely no right in being involved in politics. This isn't the 1900s anymore. 

[Donutz]

I disagree entirely with all the military and police personnel sitting in the Senate. Conflict of interest,  a violation of the division of powers.

 

The Senate should also be elected. With perhaps soon room for experts but these cannot have any conflict of interest and thus not be military, police, judges etc.

[MyTHaiMyKe]

It should also include generals that overthrow the government! They should not be allowed to even run for office! This country has gone down to <deleted> since may 22, 2014!

[darksidedog]

Its quite funny in a away that every time the army have taken power in a coup, it has only been a matter of time before they realised they were incapable of runing the economy and the country and gave the power back. Once again the economy is heading the wrong direction, so if history is a guide, Prayut and pals will be back on the parade ground again soon. Sooner the better really, for the sake of the country.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, BobbyL said:

In the 21st century a military or its staff should have absolutely no right in being involved in politics. This isn't the 1900s anymore. 

 

It is HERE!!!  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, darksidedog said:

Its quite funny in a away that every time the army have taken power in a coup, it has only been a matter of time before they realised they were incapable of runing the economy and the country and gave the power back. Once again the economy is heading the wrong direction, so if history is a guide, Prayut and pals will be back on the parade ground again soon. Sooner the better really, for the sake of the country.

 

Perhaps, but not without leaving a long-lasting legacy of autocracy that will be difficult, if not impossible, to erase.

 

[4MyEgo]

The Thai's are slowly starting to get the message, they need a democratic government free of any military involvements, suffice to say, it backfired Prayut, I reckon you will be out before they year is out and the constitution will be changed in due course, rightfully so, well, I can hope.

[Golden Triangle]

3 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

Its quite funny in a away that every time the army have taken power in a coup, it has only been a matter of time before they realised they were incapable of runing the economy and the country and gave the power back. Once again the economy is heading the wrong direction, so if history is a guide, Prayut and pals will be back on the parade ground again soon. Sooner the better really, for the sake of the country.

If that particular parade ground has a few large wooden posts to tie people to all the better ???? 

[bluesofa]

20 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Super Poll revealed today (January 6) that 75.4 per cent of those surveyed on January 2-4 agreed with the proposal of Chuan Leekpai, President of the National Assembly, to change the constitution prohibiting military commanders to serve simultaneously as senators as it is inappropriate for them to receive salaries from both positions.

It's a pity not more of them saw it as a conflict of interest from a moral standpoint.

 

21 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

24.6 per cent disagreed with the proposal out of fear that it might lead to conflict with the military while saying that the economy should be the priority.

They way I read that, it appears to be seen as a political conflict?

[holy cow cm]

There has been more military generals or field marshals having more time in office as a pm than civilians. They prefer control and so why would they be concerned with the people.  

[SteveK]

39 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

The Thai's are slowly starting to get the message, they need a democratic government free of any military involvements, suffice to say, it backfired Prayut, I reckon you will be out before they year is out and the constitution will be changed in due course, rightfully so, well, I can hope.

Why is it that in Western countries, if you tell people something they understand immediately, but in Thailand you need to say the same thing a hundred times over a period of months before they even start to think about it? Are they so used to "face-saving" lies?

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, SteveK said:

Why is it that in Western countries, if you tell people something they understand immediately, but in Thailand you need to say the same thing a hundred times over a period of months before they even start to think about it? Are they so used to "face-saving" lies?

Ever heard the local saying 'you think too mut'.

 

We can all laught but it does have meaning.

 

At Thai university my Thai son (high school educted in Singapore) was told sveral times 'you think too mut, you should accept what your told and not ask questions'. 

 

(And on a couple of occasions he was punished by professors for asking basic non confrontational questions, by grade reduction at the end of the course.)

 

 

Edited January 6, 2020 by scorecard

[harada]

Considering recent moves within the RTA I fear that there may be a lot of Thai blood shed should access to the trough by the Generals be threatened. 

[yellowboat]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

43.7 per cent of the respondents believed that the government had messed up the economy while 20.7 per cent blamed the opposition.

 

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

On Future Forward Party, 42.8 per cent said that they would not be bothered by its dissolution.

Why Thailand will never be great, or a poll that is completely inaccurate. 

[scorecard]

9 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

 

Why Thailand will never be great, or a poll that is completely inaccurate. 

"On Future Forward Party, 42.8 per cent said that they would not be bothered by its dissolution." 

 

Seems to me this number includes many of the folks who are frightened of more violent conflict so they vote for the current situation with (currently) no serious conflict and with the general ensuring anybody 'rocking the boat' is silenced.

 

Naivety all the way. 

 

[Hayduke]

12 hours ago, bluesofa said:

It's a pity not more of them saw it as a conflict of interest from a moral standpoint.

 

Since they’re only interested in themselves…there is no conflict of interest.

 

 

 

[30la]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Super Poll revealed today (January 6) that 75.4 per cent of those surveyed on January 2-4 agreed with the proposal of Chuan Leekpai, President of the National Assembly, to change the constitution prohibiting military commanders to serve simultaneously as senators as it is inappropriate for them to receive salaries from both positions.

Do you really think it can be done? With a military regime it seems to me quite difficult!

[spidermike007]

Dual roles. Do very little military commanders are also being asked to act as, do very little senators. A dual role. Amounting to little. The exception being the great effort to deny the will of the people. 

[Jester69]

13 hours ago, BobbyL said:

In the 21st century a military or its staff should have absolutely no right in being involved in politics. This isn't the 1900s anymore. 

The problem is that the Monarchy rule the Junta and they inturn manipulate the people and this will never change under this King! A shame that monmey stops the progress of a nation and its loyal subjects.

[Classic Ray]

In the UK, police and military are not allowed to take any active part in politics, and their business interests are severely restricted to ensure there is no potential conflict of interest with their primary duties of protecting the nation and the country.

 

Here it seems the polar opposite that you cannot have a career in the police or military without the politics or the business. Probably due to the minimal salary these "professions" provide. 

 

The first move would have to be root and branch reform of the police, military and civil service and the provision of decent salaries as a carrot, with a big stick of an anti-corruption commission to encourage compliance. 

[sead]

13 hours ago, SteveK said:

Why is it that in Western countries, if you tell people something they understand immediately, but in Thailand you need to say the same thing a hundred times over a period of months before they even start to think about it? Are they so used to "face-saving" lies?

Culture says, what happens happens.

[Grusa]

38 minutes ago, Jester69 said:

The problem is that the Monarchy rule the Junta and they inturn manipulate the people and this will never change under this King! A shame that monmey stops the progress of a nation and its loyal subjects.

I hope your true identity is well hidden.

[Chongalulu]

14 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

The Thai's are slowly starting to get the message, they need a democratic government free of any military involvements, suffice to say, it backfired Prayut, I reckon you will be out before they year is out and the constitution will be changed in due course, rightfully so, well, I can hope.

That 43% say they’re not bothered about the dissolution of a legitimate serious opposition party shows just how backward their understanding is.

Anyway that’s just bickering..  ???? 

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, BobbyL said:

In the 21st century a military or its staff should have absolutely no right in being involved in politics. This isn't the 1900s anymore. 

You're quite correct, here in Thailand they are moving it back to the 1800's where it is dominated and run by a ruling clan.

[johnarth]

7 hours ago, scorecard said:

Ever heard the local saying 'you think too mut'.

 

We can all laught but it does have meaning.

 

At Thai university my Thai son (high school educted in Singapore) was told sveral times 'you think too mut, you should accept what your told and not ask questions'. 

 

(And on a couple of occasions he was punished by professors for asking basic non confrontational questions, by grade reduction at the end of the course.)

 

 

funny my wife told me the same thing a couple of times, so I do not talk about the general any more

[Ketyo]

No Military government in history has run a country successfully. They don't have the skills in economic and social development. They only have skills in following orders and rules.. This is what they are trained to do.

 

They only know how to make people follow rules, control people and stop them from doing stuff. And amassing money and power for themselves whilst they stop others.

 

See the last government of Myanmar. A country with vast natural resources and potential wealth. And a military government obsessed by making and enforcing stupid rules and decisions. Like banning motos from Yangon. Getting buses to drive on the opposite side of the road so that people get off into the middle of the road. Building super-highways to ghost cities. An archetypal military government.

 

 

[Misterwhisper]

Actually, it's not only about military men sitting as senators. In a real democracy, military officers simply do not have ANY place in politics. Their domain is the barracks. That's the career they chose. That's where they belong. And that's where they should stick. Period. 

[MikeN]

They should make them do eight hours a day in each job if they want their full salary as a senator and a military top brass. No time for golf courses and leisurely lunches then, the job will be a lot less attractive to them !

[LivinLOS]

16 hours ago, darksidedog said:

so if history is a guide, Prayut and pals will be back on the parade ground again soon. Sooner the better really, for the sake of the country.

 

This time they will not be letting go.. Too much at stake.. 

 

Sadly I fear it will take the kind of events this country has a history of, to make any real change. Said it right at the start when so many expats supported the removal of elected governments by force, the end result of that is likely bloody.