TopDeadSenter Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thunder26 said: International flights after this incident are avoiding flying over Iran. What, in case they get a sudden "technical failure" too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Benmart said: Source please. Nothing like starting a rumour based on? Not a rumour, just my opinion. Where did I say that anything in my post was a fact? We are entitled to have opinions, aren't we? Since the post I made, I have now changed my opinion (is that allowed?) and now think, on the balance of probability, it was a mechanical failure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) I guess it all depends on how strongly or not you believe in coincidences. "Iran’s insistence that it will not hand over the black boxes to Boeing comes amid claims that at least two aircraft which had been originally routed through Iranian airspace around the time of the Iranian missile attacks on the bases in Iraq were either told to turn around or redirected." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-says-it-will-not-give-black-box-from-crashed-airliner-to-boeing Edited January 9, 2020 by JHolmesJr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Still too early for any conclusive evidence... But a lot of speculation: Quote Iranian authorities pointed to the possibility of engine failure, but some aviation observers were skeptical. "There was no way for Iran to know it was engine failure,” said Mary Schiavo, a former U.S. Department of Transportation inspector general and a pilot. She said photos of the wreckage she’s examined show no evidence of engine problems. “That is the wreckage of an explosion in the air,” she said. “Something happened to blow that plane out of the air. Statistically speaking, that’s a missile or a bomb.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/01/08/ukrainian-plane-crash-iran-no-survivors-black-boxes-found/2842039001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Saint Nick said: I'd rather wait for the results of the aircrash- investigation, but hey...this is ThaiVisa, so let the conclusion- jumping- competition begin! Yes so would we ,but the problem is that Iran is holding on to the black boxes and will not hand them over,Why? if there is nothing to hide ,then thats ok ,but ,who also is doing the air crash investigation,Iran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoholic Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Iran shoots down a plane filled with Iranians. sad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 https://defence-blog.com/news/ukrainian-passenger-jet-crashed-after-being-hit-by-iranian-tor-m1-missile.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Oops. Iranian investigators on Thursday said the black boxes that belonged to the plane have been damaged and some parts of their memory were lost. No evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: https://defence-blog.com/news/ukrainian-passenger-jet-crashed-after-being-hit-by-iranian-tor-m1-missile.html More on Russian Tor missiles. "A strike by a missile, possibly a Tor missile system, is among the main (theories), as information has surfaced on the internet about elements of a missile being found near the site of the crash," Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine's Security Council, told media in the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Mango Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 10:30 AM, SkyFax said: According to the NY Times (updated) Jan. 8, 2020, 4:39 PM Bangkok time The airline said 167 passengers and nine crew members were on board. Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s minister of foreign affairs, said the victims included 82 Iranians and 11 Ukrainians, including nine Ukrainian crew members. Sixty-three passengers were from Canada, 10 from Sweden, four from Afghanistan, three from Germany and three from Britain, he said. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-boeing-ukraine.html The Iranian authorities say 147 of the passengers were Iranian, suggesting that 65 of the passengers were dual passport holders. I think it's safe to say virtually all of the passengers were Iranian, but some held foreign passports. So 63 of the passengers were probably Iranians who live in Canada. I don't think anyone without Iranian heritage would want to visit Iran, unless on a humanitarian mission to help the long suffering Iranian civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder26 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 There are speculations that the plane was shot down with a Russian made missile, therefore according to this it is the Iranian party involved as they own Russian made weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder26 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 No wonder that all international flights are avoiding to fly over Iran and Iraq at the moment as it is obvious the plane was shot down. If it was a mechanical problem there would be a lot of screams internationaly about the unreliability of the crashed plane. Those in plane industry know very well what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder26 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, rabas said: Oops. Iranian investigators on Thursday said the black boxes that belonged to the plane have been damaged and some parts of their memory were lost. No evidence. It's a convinient lie. The plane was shot down unfortunately. What a shame. These things shouldn't happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 you'd think in the age of cell phones and twitter and online everything, somebody on the ground would have noticed an air defense missile going off and hitting an airliner and posted a video or photo or just a text message? from other videos we've seen, air defense missiles are pretty spectacular. not something easily ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Iranian Missile System Shot Down Ukraine Flight, Probably by Mistake, Sources Say https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I guess I am vindicated when I hypothesized it was shot down and the real question was if it was by accident or not. The fact there was no mayday call of any kind and that Iran doesn't want to cough the box up were pretty good clues. It must be an accident unless Iran's idea of punishing America is killing their own and Canadian and EU citizens. Hopefully some of America's allies will finally open their eyes and see Iran for what they are now. They done goofed and they know it. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, NCC1701A said: Iranian Missile System Shot Down Ukraine Flight, Probably by Mistake, Sources Say https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313 Anyone seriously believe this would have happened but for the actions of trump in his authorising of last weeks killing. Edited January 9, 2020 by Bluespunk 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cryingdick Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: Anyone seriously believe this would have happened but for the actions of trump in his authorising of last weeks killing. The sole responsibility of this lies with the Iranians alone. They were quick to claim it and now they can own what their great wrath and vengeance has brought them. Don't blame Trump that seemingly the complete and utter incompetence of the Iranian army is the reason they downed that plane. This is the pinnacle of the warped thought process a lot of people are exhibiting these days. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, Cryingdick said: The sole responsibility of this lies with the Iranians alone. They were quick to claim it and now they can own what their great wrath and vengeance has brought them. Don't blame Trump that seemingly the complete and utter incompetence of the Iranian army is the reason they downed that plane. This is the pinnacle of the warped thought process a lot of people are exhibiting these days. And by the way how is your shares in Boeing going? After they found another fault ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said: And by the way how is your shares in Boeing going? After they found another fault ? You can dig around if you want (I said somewhere on the forum I was done trading BA) but I got out of Boeing at $375. Luckily enough I used it to buy Apple and Microsoft. I appreciate your concern. You will be happy to hear BA has spiked up today now that it is known that this is the work of Iran's buffoonery. Edited January 9, 2020 by Cryingdick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: The sole responsibility of this lies with the Iranians alone. They were quick to claim it and now they can own what their great wrath and vengeance has brought them. Don't blame Trump that seemingly the complete and utter incompetence of the Iranian army is the reason they downed that plane. This is the pinnacle of the warped thought process a lot of people are exhibiting these days. Yeah right, cause the Iranians shoot down passenger planes on a weekly basis, don’t they. Oh wait, no they don’t do they, now I wonder what caused them to do so this time? Why were they so trigger happy? What could have caused this state of affairs? Hmm, certainly is a puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cryingdick Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: Yeah right, cause the Iranians shoot down passenger planes on a weekly basis, don’t they. Oh wait, no they don’t do they, now I wonder what caused them to do so this time? Why were they so trigger happy? What could have caused this state of affairs? Hmm, certainly is a puzzler If you hate me and take a gun and try to shoot me but hit the neighbor it isn't my fault. Your thought process is almost verging on the justifications a sociopath would employ. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: If you hate me and take a gun and try to shoot me but hit the neighbor it isn't my fault. Your thought process is almost verging on the justifications a sociopath would employ. Nonsense analogy and nonsense analysis. Edited January 9, 2020 by Bluespunk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: I guess I am vindicated when I hypothesized it was shot down and the real question was if it was by accident or not. The fact there was no mayday call of any kind and that Iran doesn't want to cough the box up were pretty good clues. It must be an accident unless Iran's idea of punishing America is killing their own and Canadian and EU citizens. Hopefully some of America's allies will finally open their eyes and see Iran for what they are now. They done goofed and they know it. You may be right, but I wouldn't gloat just yet. The fat lady hasn't even gotten on stage, much less sung. The plane could have collided with a stealthy drone, or a dozen other possibilities. Missile wreckage found? That's an easy plant for a sophisticated intelligence agency. I'm sure they keep them around for that very purpose... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, impulse said: You may be right, but I wouldn't gloat just yet. The fat lady hasn't even gotten on stage, much less sung. The plane could have collided with a stealthy drone, or a dozen other possibilities. Missile wreckage found? That's an easy plant for a sophisticated intelligence agency. I'm sure they keep them around for that very purpose... You are speculating way more than I ever was. But yes let's see. Forums aren't a court room and people are allowed opinions. The trend to demand links are being outraged at people giving their thoughts has become tiring. It's just a couple posters sharing ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alex8912 Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Anyone seriously believe this would have happened but for the actions of trump in his authorising of last weeks killing. Insane comment. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, alex8912 said: Insane comment. No, insanity is killing a high ranking general and not expecting a reaction. Insanity is not admitting that this horrific shooting down of a passenger plane would have been all but unthinkable if not for the actions of trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alex8912 Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 55 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Anyone seriously believe this would have happened but for the actions of trump in his authorising of last weeks killing. You and Trump have things in common. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, alex8912 said: You and Trump have things in common. Nope. Edited January 9, 2020 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: You are speculating way more than I ever was. But yes let's see. Forums aren't a court room and people are allowed opinions. The trend to demand links are being outraged at people giving their thoughts has become tiring. It's just a couple posters sharing ideas. Rather than speculating, I'm just proposing that there are a lot of possibilities. Given the state of alert at the time, I can imagine there may have been some stealthy aircraft (manned or drones) over Iran that we'd never hear about. And there are many entities that could have benefited by blaming Iran for a shoot down. Add the uncertainty about the identity and actual nationalities of the passengers and crew, we will probably never know for sure what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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