5 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

The evidence is there in the video, both in words and deeds, as I pointed out in my post.

Your interpretation of the facts is reasonable, but the only evidence is that the English guy is very angry.

On 1/15/2020 at 8:24 AM, NCC1701A said:

I lost again?

I'm always second place on this forum.

Nothing wrong with placing in number two, though????

Disgusting behaviour from the tourist....jail, hefty fine and 20 year ban. Next.

24 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

Disgusting behaviour from the tourist....jail, hefty fine and 20 year ban. Next.

You don't go to jail for attacking people with axes or swords, but grab a precious Asian and it's Bangkok Hilton for a bit of porridge

Hard to believe people or your mentality actually exist. 

Thank God you aren't capable of being a judge!

If everybody was sent to jail for grabbing somebody and swearing you would need a gazillion prisons

Edited January 16, 20206 yr by Sticky Wicket

13 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

The evidence is there in the video, both in words and deeds, as I pointed out in my post.

Only in your head.

No doubt you would assume the same if it was a Thai guy trying to attack a farang?  Oh the farang must have been trying to pick pocket him on a half empty train.  You would draw the same conclusion based on the same zero evidence.

It really is sad to see all the people automatically defending this obnoxious bully just because he is white.

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

It really is sad to see all the people automatically defending this obnoxious bully just because he is white.

Why do you appear to hate your own race?

I'm just wondering you understand.

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Why do you appear to hate your own race?

I'm just wondering you understand.

What???

 

I quite like myself, my friends and most people of my own race.  What on earth are you talking about?

I am English and most English people are great.  But I despise bullies and chavs like this.  Or am I supposed to love him no matter what he does merely because he is the same colour as me?  So you can behave in whatever manner you like but it's ok if you are of the same race?  I'm just wondering you understand.

Edited January 17, 20206 yr by josephbloggs

On 1/15/2020 at 4:19 PM, Just Weird said:

He needed a new phone?  Where you there?  I say that because that was not mentioned in the OP and you seem to know more than the rest of us.

I read  it wromg 

 

Must have been driving  and reading 

 

I thought it.said that he knocked his phone  from 11th floor but it said knocked  his iPhone 11 to the floor.

 

No i wasnt there  but  maybe  more to the story that whats there

 

If not then  he is a forang bully  picking  on a smaller thai and needs to be dealt  with  if not then would like to here what caused that  reaction 

 

Either  he is a forang bully or maybe  there is more to it

 

Not really a big  deal 

 

This stuff happens all the time round  the world

Edited January 17, 20206 yr by BigC

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Only in your head.

No doubt you would assume the same if it was a Thai guy trying to attack a farang?  Oh the farang must have been trying to pick pocket him on a half empty train.  You would draw the same conclusion based on the same zero evidence.

It really is sad to see all the people automatically defending this obnoxious bully just because he is white.

Despite the thread headline, if you look carefully at the video there is a lot of ambiguity about what actually triggered the incident. This video was originally posted on an individual's Facebook page along with a narrative from the poster about what transpired. It was then picked up by a social media news compiler which then got picked up by the mainstream media. I do not believe any news reporter ever attempted to verify the version of events presented on the Facebook post.

 

If you look at the video, the person filming the incident appears to be seated a significant distance away from the main protagonists in the altercation and his view is also blocked by other passengers standing between the camera and the main protagonists. Presumably the person who filmed the incident also wrote the narrative of the incident. That narrative has varied in the news media from "the Thai guy bumped into the foreign guy" to the Thai guy "tried to take a photo of the foreign guy's girlfriend," despite there being no evidence on the video that the foreign guy was traveling with a female companion. On the video, the foreign guy can be heard to say "He [expletive] tried to..." which indicates that the foreign guy thought the Thai guy did something intentionally. The foreign guy also says "Where'd you get that i-Pad?" referring to the i-pad the Thai guy was holding. That sounds to me like the foreign guy was accusing the Thai guy of having acquired the i-Pad by illicit means, which supports the theory that the foreign guy was accusing the Thai guy of having attempted to pickpocket him. The foreign guy did have some type of shoulder bag and appeared to have ear pods in his ears which did make him a potential pick pocketing target.

 

It is also not clear whether the person who wrote the original narrative of the incident understood what the foreign guy was saying in English, or how he was able to determine what transpired leading up to the incident given that he was seated some distance away, and presumably would have had trouble hearing normal conversation over the sound of a moving sky train. In another news report, it is said that the Thai guy fled out onto the Hua Lamphong station platform looking for an official to help him. There's no evidence on the video that this happened and it's unclear how this was determined. The videographer appears to remain on the train and does not get off the train at Hua Lamphong. It occurs to me that it's possible that after the train left the station the videographer may have had an opportunity to discuss the incident with other passengers who were in a better position to see and hear what led up to the incident, but this is far from clear. Also, it is interesting to note that if the Thai guy truly was assaulted for no valid reason, no police report or news report of the incident seems to have surfaced. 

 

What needs to be remembered is that the video and the accompanying narrative about what happened came from an unknown source. Two languages were spoken during the incident and it isn't clear if the person interpreting the video understood what both parties were saying or was even able to hear what was being said. Nobody interviewed the two parties to determine what caused the incident.

 

Most of the posts on this thread vilify the foreign guy. Some outrageously speculate that he was on meth, pumped up on steroids, or apparently based entirely on his accent, genetically predisposed to pick fights or bully people on the flimsiest of pretexts. In reality he appears to be a clean cut, well groomed, physically fit guy either returning from or going to his morning jog. Some of the posters described the Thai guy as practically a child, when he appears to me to be at least in his mid-thirties. His exaggerated cowering, which struck me as somewhat theatrical, is what makes him seem child-like and extremely vulnerable. There is evidence on the video that the foreign guy thinks the Thai guy may have tried to pick pocket him. If that's what actually happened, this guy's reaction was far more understandable. This isn't an issue about being pro-Thai or anti-Thai or pro-English or anti-English, it's an issue about being fair to both sides.

 

Edited January 17, 20206 yr by Gecko123

1 hour ago, Gecko123 said:

Despite the thread headline, if you look carefully at the video there is a lot of ambiguity about what actually triggered the incident. This video was originally posted on an individual's Facebook page along with a narrative from the poster about what transpired. It was then picked up by a social media news compiler which then got picked up by the mainstream media. I do not believe any news reporter ever attempted to verify the version of events presented on the Facebook post.

 

If you look at the video, the person filming the incident appears to be seated a significant distance away from the main protagonists in the altercation and his view is also blocked by other passengers standing between the camera and the main protagonists. Presumably the person who filmed the incident also wrote the narrative of the incident. That narrative has varied in the news media from "the Thai guy bumped into the foreign guy" to the Thai guy "tried to take a photo of the foreign guy's girlfriend," despite there being no evidence on the video that the foreign guy was traveling with a female companion. On the video, the foreign guy can be heard to say "He [expletive] tried to..." which indicates that the foreign guy thought the Thai guy did something intentionally. The foreign guy also says "Where'd you get that i-Pad?" referring to the i-pad the Thai guy was holding. That sounds to me like the foreign guy was accusing the Thai guy of having acquired the i-Pad by illicit means, which supports the theory that the foreign guy was accusing the Thai guy of having attempted to pickpocket him. The foreign guy did have some type of shoulder bag and appeared to have ear pods in his ears which did make him a potential pick pocketing target.

 

It is also not clear whether the person who wrote the original narrative of the incident understood what the foreign guy was saying in English, or how he was able to determine what transpired leading up to the incident given that he was seated some distance away, and presumably would have had trouble hearing normal conversation over the sound of a moving sky train. In another news report, it is said that the Thai guy fled out onto the Hua Lamphong station platform looking for an official to help him. There's no evidence on the video that this happened and it's unclear how this was determined. The videographer appears to remain on the train and does not get off the train at Hua Lamphong. It occurs to me that it's possible that after the train left the station the videographer may have had an opportunity to discuss the incident with other passengers who were in a better position to see and hear what led up to the incident, but this is far from clear. Also, it is interesting to note that if the Thai guy truly was assaulted for no valid reason, no police report or news report of the incident seems to have surfaced. 

 

What needs to be remembered is that the video and the accompanying narrative about what happened came from an unknown source. Two languages were spoken during the incident and it isn't clear if the person interpreting the video understood what both parties were saying or was even able to hear what was being said. Nobody interviewed the two parties to determine what caused the incident.

 

Most of the posts on this thread vilify the foreign guy. Some outrageously speculate that he was on meth, pumped up on steroids, or apparently based entirely on his accent, genetically predisposed to pick fights or bully people on the flimsiest of pretexts. In reality he appears to be a clean cut, well groomed, physically fit guy either returning from or going to his morning jog. Some of the posters described the Thai guy as practically a child, when he appears to me to be at least in his mid-thirties. His exaggerated cowering, which struck me as somewhat theatrical, is what makes him seem child-like and extremely vulnerable. There is evidence on the video that the foreign guy thinks the Thai guy may have tried to pick pocket him. If that's what actually happened, this guy's reaction was far more understandable. This isn't an issue about being pro-Thai or anti-Thai or pro-English or anti-English, it's an issue about being fair to both sides.

 

In the description that accompanies the video , it says, the Thai guy got off at Hualamphong and shouted for help from officials. It says the officials then talked to both parties, ending with both parties agreeing it was a misunderstanding that the Thai guy was filming the Brit's girlfriend.

 

On 1/14/2020 at 9:51 PM, Sir Charles said:

If I was there the British man will have liquid food and use a straw forever. ????

Old Western saying if you can't fight wear a big hat, like the one your imoji  is wearing ????????????

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Why do you appear to hate your own race?

I'm just wondering you understand.

Think Ken Livingstone or Jeremy Corbyn.

2 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

This isn't an issue about being pro-Thai or anti-Thai or pro-English or anti-English, it's an issue about being fair to both sides.

 

Agree with the principle, and it would be interesting to hear both versions of the story, but i'm afraid it is not going to happen.

I suspect though, that the foreigner in the video is overreacting, even if accepting the pick-pocketing theory.

 

41 minutes ago, bannork said:

In the description that accompanies the video , it says, the Thai guy got off at Hualamphong and shouted for help from officials. It says the officials then talked to both parties, ending with both parties agreeing it was a misunderstanding that the Thai guy was filming the Brit's girlfriend.

 

Thanks, but we still don't know the full story. Maybe the guy was trying to film up his girlfriend's dress. Just kidding. If the train station officials in fact said that's what happened, I'm inclined to agree that this guy seriously needs some anger management therapy.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

In the description that accompanies the video , it says, the Thai guy got off at Hualamphong and shouted for help from officials. It says the officials then talked to both parties, ending with both parties agreeing it was a misunderstanding that the Thai guy was filming the Brit's girlfriend.

And where in either video is the "girlfriend"? Nowhere. A complete fabrication to shift the blame from the Thai to the farang. Thai rak Thai.

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

And where in either video is the "girlfriend"? Nowhere. A complete fabrication to shift the blame from the Thai to the farang. Thai rak Thai.

I expect she did a runner to the next carriage as soon as she realised her boyfriend was a nutter.

15 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

And where in either video is the "girlfriend"? Nowhere. A complete fabrication to shift the blame from the Thai to the farang. Thai rak Thai.

Change the record.

14 minutes ago, bannork said:

I expect she did a runner to the next carriage as soon as she realised her boyfriend was a nutter.

You can't move between carriages on those trains.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Change the record.

Pots and kettles.

25 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

And where in either video is the "girlfriend"? Nowhere. A complete fabrication to shift the blame from the Thai to the farang. Thai rak Thai.

At the :54 second mark on the video (post #372) there is a woman in a pale orange dress with a red shoulder purse in the background who seems to be emotionally involved in the incident and who may be the girlfriend. She may have gotten off the train by the door in the background which may explain why she doesn't appear in the immediate vicinity of the incident or when everyone is exiting the train.

 

 

Edited January 17, 20206 yr by Gecko123

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You can't move between carriages on those trains.

Yes you can!

4 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

At the :54 second mark on the video there is a woman in a pale orange dress and carrying a red shoulder purse who seems to be emotionally involved in the incident and who may be the girlfriend. She may have gotten off the train by the door in the background which may explain why she doesn't appear in the immediate vicinity of the incident or when everyone is exiting the train.

 

 

If you watch the first video, the girl is much clearer. Doesn't look the type to be a farang's girlfriend, shows no involvement and can be seen moving over to the side of the carriage, just before the protagonists disembark.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

In the description that accompanies the video , it says, the Thai guy got off at Hualamphong and shouted for help from officials. It says the officials then talked to both parties, ending with both parties agreeing it was a misunderstanding that the Thai guy was filming the Brit's girlfriend.

 

The officials, the useless security person, or maybe the person that changes money for you.

????

12 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

If you watch the first video, the girl is much clearer. Doesn't look the type to be a farang's girlfriend, shows no involvement and can be seen moving over to the side of the carriage, just before the protagonists disembark.

If you're really determined to get to the bottom of this, I'll bet you could go down to the Hua Lamphong blue line train station and find station security personnel who were involved in this incident. BTW, that broadcast from Channel 3 says that the television station contacted sky train officials and independently confirmed what the dispute was about. Their reporting wasn't solely based on an eye witness's interpretation of what happen, but on their journalistic effort to investigate what happened. I think it's time to concede that what they reported is probably what happened.

21 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Their reporting wasn't solely based on an eye witness's interpretation of what happen, but on their journalistic effort to investigate what happened. I think it's time to concede that what they reported is probably what happened.

Didn't those same TV reporters claim the guy in black who robbed the gold was a foreigner?

(Before it came out he was a Thai with influential friends)

4 minutes ago, bangkokequity said:

26 pages, and Thai Visa Farang Apologists are still struggling with what they can see with their own eyes.  This is simply amazing.  What kind of a complete P - $$ - Y attacks any person that small.  I have literally told people "I would fight you, but you are just too small, it would be like hitting a woman"

All I saw in the video was a 40(ish) white guy making angry motions towards a small 30(ish) oriental guy.

Nothing legally actionable in any country in the world happened in shot. 

Edited January 17, 20206 yr by BritManToo

12 minutes ago, bangkokequity said:

No one mentioned the legal liability here .. but nice try changing the subject. 

About 50% or more of the replies were about arresting and deporting the foreigner.

I generally don't give moody looks to Thais because they often carry guns.

Threatening strangers isn't my bag but it appears it may be yours, even if by proxy. 

 

But I'm really not convinced the little guy was Thai, didn't have the right look or clothes. I'd have guessed Chinese.

 

Edited January 17, 20206 yr by BritManToo

20 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

You should try blowing a different trumpet for once-if you are capable of doing so..hmm given you past performances I would doubt it.

 

None of the videos show a punch being thrown-it appears to be a lunge-possibly (very probably) because there was an attempt at pick-pocketing.

 

Thai rak Thai indeed.

You seems to be a Judge. Please carry on.

I guess you want people to post what you like /agree ONLY?

Edited January 17, 20206 yr by ravip

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

But I'm really not convinced the little guy was Thai, didn't have the right look or clothes. I'd have guessed Chinese.

That was my impression too, but in a city like Bangkok, Thais who are ethnic Chinese are definitely not uncommon.

On 1/15/2020 at 2:57 PM, Thingamabob said:

Utterly disgusting low life Brit. The kind of scum nobody wants to see in Thailand. I'm afraid we will all pay for this.

Actually, not only in Thailand but anywhere in this Universe no one would like to see such a character, except for a few who seems to approve that behaviour.