U.S. Senate rejects Democratic bid for documents in Trump impeachment trial

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, mogandave said:

Or just dismiss it and let the left complete their case and try again. 
 

What happened to all the documents and testimony that you swore overwhelmingly proved Trump’s guilt? 
 

 

What documents?

 

There is indeed evidence of overwhelming guilt. Even trump admitted it, but a confession isnt enough for people with blind obsession.

[Sujo]

27 minutes ago, mogandave said:

This is a lie!

 

The Republicans could call any witnesses the Democrats wanted called.
 

They were also allowed to ask any witness any question the Democrats wanted asked.
 

Repubs did call witnesses and they gave evidence.

[muzley]

Latest ABC poll from 1 day ago shows Trumps ratings not being hurt by sham impeachment.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-still-divided-on-trumps-removal-from-office-but-a-strong-economy-is-boosting-his-approval-rating-post-abc-poll-finds/2020/01/24/c8342406-3ec7-11ea-b90d-5652806c3b3a_story.html

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Ricohoc said:

Those involved in the negotiations had no direct contact with Trump other than Sondland.  Some admitted that they had never met Trump or even had any conversation with him ever. All POTUS have the right to executive privilege.  That is not against the law or impeachable.  Mounting a defense vs those undermining your foreign policy and insinuating things that did not happen, is also not against the law or impeachable.

 

Trump's conversation with Sondland took place LONG before the gossipblower was involved in the charade.

 

I don't pretend to know the motivations of the Ukrainian government officials and what they are thinking.  As I understand it, they're a bit peeved that Democrats have accused them of lying.

First paragraph is rubbish.

 

Executive privilege does not pertain to wrong doing. Trump is the only one to ever say he has a blanket executive privilege but that doesnt exist.

 

The whistleblowers claims have proven correct.

 

Your last paragraph is the same as the first.

[JHolmesJr]

12 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Btw, asking ukraine to investigate something where there is no evidence is indeed fabrication.

 

The rest of your post is just off topic waffle.

 

100% of your post is a non-sequitur...a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

 

There is plenty of evidence on Biden...none of which has been "debunked". His time is coming.

 

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, i84teen said:

Well, in the case of Biden, IF loony-tunes Guliani has what he says he has, the establishment might get nuked soon.

 

oh please, bring him over to testify, the faster the better, that would be (like) a dream come thru...please, please, bring him in and tell him to bring what he claims to have....did you ever stopped 2 seconds to think about what you were about to post, if and I say IF the loony tunes had anything on anybody don't you think the Reps would have be jumping up and down

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

There is plenty of evidence on Biden...none of which has been "debunked". His time is coming.

Give it up. It’s a nothing burger. Just deflection. Trump defense team has abandoned this Biden conspiracy theory in their presentation. 

[Mavideol]

14 minutes ago, muzley said:

Latest ABC poll from 1 day ago shows Trumps ratings not being hurt by sham impeachment.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-still-divided-on-trumps-removal-from-office-but-a-strong-economy-is-boosting-his-approval-rating-post-abc-poll-finds/2020/01/24/c8342406-3ec7-11ea-b90d-5652806c3b3a_story.html

if so why so many people on the street chanting Lock Him Up.... (no data to support the hearsay)

[Mavideol]

14 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

100% of your post is a non-sequitur...a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

 

There is plenty of evidence on Biden...none of which has been "debunked". His time is coming.

 

his time is coming if he's elected and nothing has been proven. If Biden did something wrong POTUS should have asked any (they have so many, it would be easy to chose from, CIA, FBI, DFA, Homeland, IRS, etc.... USA investigation office to investigate Biden, why did Potus asked a foreign country to investigate a USA citizen.... strange isn't it ?

[simple1]

36 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Hmmmm...the only lies Ive seen so far are from the Dems, particularly Adam Schiff...starting with his made up

rendition of Trump's call. In legal terms this is misdirection of the highest order, designed to deceive and defraud

the American people. Other made up claims include Trump asking for dirt to be "fabricated" on Biden. That wasn't

ever said or recorded. You can't make up stuff to overturn the election.<SNIP>.

No links from credible source/s? ergo only extremist partisan trump supporter opinion

[muzley]

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

if so why so many people on the street chanting Lock Him Up.... (no data to support the hearsay)

This poll was conducted by the ABC and Washington Post who are both propaganda arms of the Democrats.

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

his time is coming if he's elected and nothing has been proven. If Biden did something wrong POTUS should have asked any (they have so many, it would be easy to chose from, CIA, FBI, DFA, Homeland, IRS, etc.... USA investigation office to investigate Biden, why did Potus asked a foreign country to investigate a USA citizen.... strange isn't it ?

Why bother? trump only listens to his own & others conspiracy theories. trump has a proven history of refuting US intelligence agencies findings which are contrary to his opinions.

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, muzley said:

This poll was conducted by the ABC and Washington Post who are both propaganda arms of the Democrats.

care to provide support for such comment..... btw did you check Fox poll numbers, you should

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, muzley said:

This poll was conducted by the ABC and Washington Post who are both propaganda arms of the Democrats.

No. They are facts and reality based media organs. I know -- old fashioned. Yes, their editorial/opinion items bias is on the liberal side, that is true. 

[JHolmesJr]

12 minutes ago, simple1 said:

No links from credible source/s? ergo only extremist partisan trump supporter opinion

I think you have to be living under a rock or in some very well insulated clothing to be

unaware of how poorly the democrats impeachment ploy is faring in the senate, a place

where they cant traffic in whatever crazy falsehoods they like without opposition, scrutiny

and the parental supervision of wise senators.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

I think you have to be living under a rock or in some very well insulated clothing to be

unaware of how poorly the democrats impeachment ploy is faring in the senate, a place

where they cant traffic in whatever crazy falsehoods they like without opposition, scrutiny

and the parental supervision of wise senators.

Oh please. Everyone and their mother's cockapoo knows that the 45 cult of personality (and in their case FEAR) republican majority already made up their minds to acquit long ago. It's a total sham exercise. It's nothing like a real trial. It will be closer to a real trial if only FOUR republicans vote to hear witnesses. But the result is still preordained. 45 fans trying to sell an acquittal as real vindication are selling that big lie to the already converted. That will never fly with the majority of Americans. But yes, he can still win in 2020 (tragically). 

[Tulak]

On 1/23/2020 at 1:54 PM, Ricohoc said:

Absolutely correct.

 

From the beginning, this has been an exercise to investigate the man to find a crime; and Democrats have even tried to criminalize legal behavior in order to GET TRUMP.

 

Example of criminalizing legal behavior?  Beginning in 2017, Democrats now believe that mounting a defense and executive privilege is now obstruction.  Today, Democrats believe that anyone accused has to prove their innocence; and everyone should always believe witnesses and their beliefs, suppositions and presumptions over factual occurrences that indicate otherwise.

...From the beginning, this has been an exercise to investigate the man to find a crime...

 

I like that.

[Tulak]

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Oh please. Everyone and their mother's cockapoo knows that the 45 cult of personality (and in their case FEAR) republican majority already made up their minds to acquit long ago. It's a total sham exercise. It's nothing like a real trial. It will be closer to a real trial if only FOUR republicans vote to hear witnesses. But the result is still preordained. 45 fans trying to sell an acquittal as real vindication are selling that big lie to the already converted. That will never fly with the majority of Americans. But yes, he can still win in 2020 (tragically). 

...But yes, he can still win in 2020 (tragically)... 

 

If he does, it will be "people power" - the Ultimate Jury

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Tulak said:

...But yes, he can still win in 2020 (tragically)... 

 

If he does, it will be "people power" - the Ultimate Jury

That's debatable as it definitely won't be by a majority of voters. 

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Oh please. Everyone and their mother's cockapoo knows that the 45 cult of personality (and in their case FEAR) republican majority already made up their minds to acquit long ago. It's a total sham exercise. It's nothing like a real trial. It will be closer to a real trial if only FOUR republicans vote to hear witnesses. But the result is still preordained. 45 fans trying to sell an acquittal as real vindication are selling that big lie to the already converted. That will never fly with the majority of Americans. But yes, he can still win in 2020 (tragically). 

 

Ok if acquittal is a foregone conclusion then stop whining....and coming up with fantasy scenarios

about these hearings.

45 is forever impeached.

But he will also be forever acquitted.

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Oh please. Everyone and their mother's cockapoo knows that the 45 cult of personality (and in their case FEAR) republican majority already made up their minds to acquit long ago. It's a total sham exercise. It's nothing like a real trial. It will be closer to a real trial if only FOUR republicans vote to hear witnesses. But the result is still preordained. 45 fans trying to sell an acquittal as real vindication are selling that big lie to the already converted. That will never fly with the majority of Americans. But yes, he can still win in 2020 (tragically). 

Everyone knew the Democrat majority had made up their minds to convict in the House, yes? 
 

So much so that they didn’t even have to put a case together to get the rubber-stamp impeachment. 
 

Now they want the Senate to build their case for them. 
 

Everyone knows all the left really wants is press time. 

[candide]

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

Absolutely. 
 

That’s why the left should have completed their case prior to presenting it. 

Since when is it the duty of accusers to provide evidence to disculpate suspects?

[Ricohoc]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Everyone knew the Democrat majority had made up their minds to convict in the House, yes? 
 

So much so that they didn’t even have to put a case together to get the rubber-stamp impeachment. 
 

Now they want the Senate to build their case for them. 
 

Everyone knows all the left really wants is press time. 

 

Nailed it.

[Chiphigh]

7 hours ago, Sujo said:

True, they complain about lack of evidence but refuse to call them.

 

The only way to get to the truth when both sides are so far apart is to call witnesses and documents.

 

These things will come out eventually and repubs will look ridiculous and have a lot of explaining to do.

Perhaps they should have thought about that and voted in the full house in the first place so their subpoenas were following the rules. Instead we had the fastest most one sided investigation in history. 

 

What did you expect to be the reaction? 

 

These idiots are still trying to foment the lies of Russian collusion. They will never give up, until they no longer have the majority in the house. 

[Chiphigh]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

Since when is it the duty of accusers to provide evidence to disculpate suspects?

Since when are you guilty by accusation? 

 

Or is that the standard that you want to be the normal protocol now because it suits your needs. 

 

Why is the ICIG testimony being hidden? Why is the whistlblower and his history of ties to Biden and a member of schiffs staff being hidden? 

[candide]

3 hours ago, muzley said:

Latest ABC poll from 1 day ago shows Trumps ratings not being hurt by sham impeachment.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-still-divided-on-trumps-removal-from-office-but-a-strong-economy-is-boosting-his-approval-rating-post-abc-poll-finds/2020/01/24/c8342406-3ec7-11ea-b90d-5652806c3b3a_story.html

With 44% approval rate.... and 66% of respondents who want witnesses.

[Chiphigh]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Oh please. Everyone and their mother's cockapoo knows that the 45 cult of personality (and in their case FEAR) republican majority already made up their minds to acquit long ago. It's a total sham exercise. It's nothing like a real trial. It will be closer to a real trial if only FOUR republicans vote to hear witnesses. But the result is still preordained. 45 fans trying to sell an acquittal as real vindication are selling that big lie to the already converted. That will never fly with the majority of Americans. But yes, he can still win in 2020 (tragically). 

And everyone knows the democrats have been wanting to impeach since he was elected, they have used every dirty trick in the book using govt agencies. 

 

Aided by the media, using unfounded innuendos and ridiculous theories that he is compromised by Russian influence. 

 

Anyone with an ounce of honest objectivity sees the multiple attempts to remove him from office for what it is. 

 

A soft coup. 

[candide]

29 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Since when are you guilty by accusation? 

 

Or is that the standard that you want to be the normal protocol now because it suits your needs. 

 

Why is the ICIG testimony being hidden? Why is the whistlblower and his history of ties to Biden and a member of schiffs staff being hidden? 

There is a set of converging testimonies, documents, dates etc... which clearly incriminates Trump. Every single piece confirms the others. The (some) Republicans say it's not true but don't produce testimonies and documents which may disculp Trump.

[Chiphigh]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

There is a set of converging testimonies, documents, dates etc... which clearly incriminate Trump. Every single piece confirms the others. The (some) Republicans say it's not true but don't produce testimonies and documents which may disculp Trump.

Sorry, the "evidence" is circumstantial, and full of assumptions, holes in testimony, testimony being hidden and clearly a partisan attempt to unseat a duly elected president. 

 

The backlash will be brutal. 

[candide]

19 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Sorry, the "evidence" is circumstantial, and full of assumptions, holes in testimony, testimony being hidden and clearly a partisan attempt to unseat a duly elected president. 

 

The backlash will be brutal. 

The evidence is quite convincing and uncontested under oath or by documents. If not true, it would be easy for Trump to contradict it. The fact that Trump and the Republicans want to prevent any additional evidence to surface tells a lot.

Most people understand that. Why do you think that two thirds of respondents in the poll proudly linked by muzley want witnesses?