Russia is trying to help Trump win in 2020, lawmakers warned

[248900_1469958220]

Now....now...lets not panic ladies and gentlemen. I think we should all be reasonable here and wait to see what CNN has to say about it, before we jump to any conclusions!!

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Personally, I don't think Trump needs any help from Russia.  You have 5 Dems running, none of which can fill a high school gym, while Trump is cramming stadiums full.  This may turn out to be the most one-sided election in American history.

Trump was filling stadiums in the last election and he barely managed a win. Just wait until the primaries are over and issues like health care and Trump's lies about it become a major issue as they were in the midterms.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Foreigners weaponizing social media... hmmm. How is Russia any different showing up on social media sites and supporting a candidate than say outraged Brits taking the dem side?

 

In the past I thought it was the consensus that people from anywhere are welcome to speak their mind about American politics? Hacking? As if the dems are above trying to do the same thing. If only they could get their app running.

 

 

Because it's doing it surreptitiously via fake news. And it's been detected probing electoral data centers of the various states.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Wow dude sorry but foreigners have no business interfering in our elections and imo politicians who solicit such interference are traitors or at the bare minimum derelict in their oath to protect the constitution 

The thing is Trump supporters use words like "interference" to equate open advocacy of a particular candidate with the surreptitious and dishonest support of a country like Russia. If Putin openly advocated for Trump, that would be an electoral negative. So instead he resorts to disinformation.

[TheDark]

34 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Now me, of course being a deplorable, uneducated, ignorant, rascist, sexist, cultish, xenotransveganphobic who wants Amurca to be a white christian nation where women are handmaids is totally influenced by Russian facebook ads to the point that I will vote for anyone who the Russians say. Today Trump, tomorrow Vlad! 63 million Russian robots waiting for their master to order us about!

I guess all those adjectives depends largely where your loyalty stands. If you are pro Russian, then you are most likely intelligent freedom fighter, doing his best for the motherland. 

 

If however you are pro USA, then you, the robot, have done great deal of harm by disuniting country and made it in war within itself. I guess one could call such actions as treasonous, if done professionally.

 

Breaking up large and powerful countries is a dangerous business. Had Ukraine not given up her nukes when SU dismantled itself, the situation in Crimea and Eastern-Ukraine could be quite different at the moment.

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Thanks for the information, visitor from the future. Got any stock tips for us?

Wear a fox hat?

 

Prime Minister Boris Johnson spoke with President Trump

Edited February 21, 2020 by evadgib
added a link of peripheral interest

[Kelsall]

Could be true, but what Dems really hate is that Trump is using his outstanding performance as President to influence the 2020 election:  Record employment, especially among minorities, booming economy, immigration reform, etc, etc.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Could be true, but what Dems really hate is that Trump is using his outstanding performance as President to influence the 2020 election:  Record employment, especially among minorities, booming economy, immigration reform, etc, etc.

So it could be true.

 

So let’s ignore it?!

[Blue Muton]

2 hours ago, sanuk711 said:

" The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity "------ This is what the news seems to have been dragged down to in the last few years...... "source's say" ----We hear from someone close to ??? who can not be named--etc etc.

 

.Of course the Russians want Donald Trump to win--the guy who is running sanctions on them --they wouldn't want someone who spent their honey moon in Russia speaks well of them and other similar systems (Cuba /  Venezuela )  and has a more socialist out look  to win this elections. I mean we know all this because unnamed secret sources have told us so.....................

You think Putin is a socialist? Wow.

[Eric Loh]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Lawmakers were briefed that Russia is looking to help Trump win in 2020

Not surprised as the Russian has successfully help Trump in the 2016 election and covered up by POTUS administration. Not surprises that a non intelligent personal and a Trump loyalist is now appointed as director of the intelligence agency. Got to keep those truthful intelligence information away from the public and help in his election. The losers will be the American public and Putin is the winner. 

[sanuk711]

5 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

You think Putin is a socialist? Wow.

I didn't state that I think that Blue Muton..........your getting me mixed up with "unnamed secret sources. who spoke on condition of anonymity"........ 

 

Seriously through  BM.....I am an Brit/Oz and don't have a dog in the race...my rant was more about the state of the news sources in America that years ago I did respect......through their early reporting on the Vietnam war, and other conflicts----the Brit papers are also full of their own secrete sources in the last 10 years, so there not alone.  To print something like this after 3 years of the Muller report reluctantly saying there was nothing there. Its just worse than bad journalism.

[SimpleMan555]

A few Random thoughts...

While many will take the report at face value, it would seem to me that if the Russians truly wanted to assist the re-election of Trump, they could do so in a more covert manner.

An alternative explanation could be that the Russians are making their efforts visible to the intelligence community in an effort to further destabilize the election by sowing the seeds of discord and hoping the Democrats will take the bait and begin another investigation or similar disruptive practice.

A scenario like this could do great damage to the election process and what remains of our democratic process.

 

Another factor coming into play here would be Russia's competition with China. Trump has been largely anti-China in regards to trade, while Bloomberg is reported to have strong ties to China, via his media corporation and other businesses. I can see Russia supporting Trump not because they approve of him, but view him as a smaller threat to their economy than a Bloomberg presidency. 

 

[Blue Muton]

6 hours ago, sanuk711 said:

I didn't state that I think that Blue Muton..........your getting me mixed up with "unnamed secret sources. who spoke on condition of anonymity"........ 

 

Seriously through  BM.....I am an Brit/Oz and don't have a dog in the race...my rant was more about the state of the news sources in America that years ago I did respect......through their early reporting on the Vietnam war, and other conflicts----the Brit papers are also full of their own secrete sources in the last 10 years, so there not alone.  To print something like this after 3 years of the Muller report reluctantly saying there was nothing there. Its just worse than bad journalism.

I can get that but for clarification Mueller's report certainly didn't say that there was no Russian interference, rather that he found insufficient evidence of Trump and his lackeys colluding with them because they had an incomplete picture of what happened due to communications that were encrypted, deleted or unsaved, as well as testimony that was false, incomplete or declined.

 

In fact the report went on to conclude the report stated that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion". Not exactly concluding that there was "nothing there".

 

You're right about the press and I agree it is worse than bad journalism, it is simply propoganda on behalf of the priviliged owners, in the case of the UK the majority of whom are neither British citizens nor taxpayers.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

The New York Times reported on Thursday that a day after the briefing, Trump rebuked acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire for allowing his staff to appear before the committee. It quoted five people familiar with the matter.

 

Trump said on Wednesday he was replacing Maguire on an acting basis with Richard Grenell, a strong Trump loyalist who has served as ambassador to Germany since 2018.

 

And now we take another step closer to a Trump-style domestic version of North Korea, where only news and information sanctioned by the Dear Leader is allowed to surface, and truth and reality are erased from the equation. And those who dare speak it are banished from the kingdom.

 

And the congressional Republicans, who used to see a Russian Commie under every bed in America, are happily licking up Trump's deranged pro Russia and pro Putin spittle.

 

[heybruce]

16 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I am more or less laughing at the thought of Russians weaponizing social media. If that's the case pretty much every other nation on the planet weaponizes social media to work against Trump. Russia and Russians can say what they want on the internet if I am required to suffer the Australians, and British and their take on things.

 

Aren't they just being influencers? How is Greta any different weaponizing her agenda to change the USA elections?

Do influencers have people generating fake news stories and use bots to push these stories?  Do influences hack into the servers of political organizations?

[heybruce]

16 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Funny to read this. I recently asked some Russian friends why Russia wants Trump to win the elections to such an extent that they interfere with the US elections. They burst out laughing, and said the idea is beyond lunacy. That nobody has been as hard on the Russians as Trump and that their economy is really suffering. They were at a total loss as to why this idea is repeatedly floated out, as it is complete nonsense.

 As said before. It is an excuse for dreadful election performance by you know who. And will be trotted out again in November as an easy excuse for the gullible.

 I dare one poster to offer a credible reason why Russia would want the guy who has been the hardest on them to win? Any takers?

Let's see, Trump has been undermining NATO, alienating allies, given Russia a free hand in Syria by betraying our only effective ally, resisted sanctions of Russia and delayed implementation, and publicly questioned his own intelligence services when they exposed Russian activities.

 

Of course these are just the things that come to mind immediately.

[bendejo]

It's getting to sound more and more like our paid trolls on this site are afraid this news is going to put them out of work.

 

 

[simple1]

20 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Funny to read this. I recently asked some Russian friends why Russia wants Trump to win the elections to such an extent that they interfere with the US elections. They burst out laughing, and said the idea is beyond lunacy. That nobody has been as hard on the Russians as Trump and that their economy is really suffering. They were at a total loss as to why this idea is repeatedly floated out, as it is complete nonsense.

 As said before. It is an excuse for dreadful election performance by you know who. And will be trotted out again in November as an easy excuse for the gullible.

 I dare one poster to offer a credible reason why Russia would want the guy who has been the hardest on them to win? Any takers?

Read the OP link

[sirineou]

22 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

 

Dems have no good candidates and would destroy the economy. Americans are smarter don't want our country like liberal Euro nonsense.

Trump in landslide I guarantee it.

Oh OK. I will call all the Democratic candidates and tell them to go home

[metisdead]

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[bendejo]

The Mueller Report means nothing, and will remain nothing  as long as it has pages like this.

 

If Barr gets the boot will this stuff see the light of day?  I doubt it, but I'd like to think it's possible.

 

 

[johnmcc6]

Trump doesn't need help from anyone.

[johnmcc6]

On 2/21/2020 at 7:48 AM, Sujo said:

How is that in any way relevant to the topic.

 

Trump throws his toys out of his pram simply because he is told the truth.

 

A real president would try and do something about it.

it is relevant because Trump does not need help from anyone. He is a shoe in to win against any of the current clowns after his job.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, johnmcc6 said:

Trump doesn't need help from anyone.

If that’s true, then it’s a great argument for Trump and the GOP to back all efforts to protect the electoral process from foreign interference.

 

Oddly that is exactly what Trump and the GOP refuse to do.

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If that’s true, then it’s a great argument for Trump and the GOP to back all efforts to protect the electoral process from foreign interference.

 

Oddly that is exactly what Trump and the GOP refuse to do.

 

 

 

 

Seems they are also on Bernie's side.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

[legend49]

23 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Funny to read this. I recently asked some Russian friends why Russia wants Trump to win the elections to such an extent that they interfere with the US elections. They burst out laughing, and said the idea is beyond lunacy. That nobody has been as hard on the Russians as Trump and that their economy is really suffering. They were at a total loss as to why this idea is repeatedly floated out, as it is complete nonsense.

 As said before. It is an excuse for dreadful election performance by you know who. And will be trotted out again in November as an easy excuse for the gullible.

 I dare one poster to offer a credible reason why Russia would want the guy who has been the hardest on them to win? Any takers?

Spasbo Putin!

[gargamon]

11 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Seems they are also on Bernie's side.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

Obviously they want to help Bernie as they see him as the easiest candidate for Trump to beat. And the general populace is dumb enough to fall for it. It worked with them in 2016 when they got Trump elected the first time.

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Seems they are also on Bernie's side.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

But but but Bernie.

 

Bernie isn’t the POTUS or a member of the GOP blocking/undermining protections of the electoral process from foreign interference.

[Tug]

30 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Seems they are also on Bernie's side.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

Translation they think Bernie is the easiest to defeat keeping their asset in office

[Sujo]

32 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Seems they are also on Bernie's side.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

So that makes it ok? Are you ok with a foreign govt interfering in elections?