Member of public calls immigration: Japanese pensioner whose Thai wife died found hiding on overstay

[Mavideol]

On 3/5/2020 at 8:03 AM, webfact said:

Naew Na's report showed little sympathy for the quiet pensioner living alone instead concentrating on the power of the smart car

they got their priorities mixed up... Thailand it's known for lack of kindness/sympathy/amiability towards foreigners, here is another proof of that

[Expat Brad]

If he and his wife owned the house. Who gets the house? ????

So, this evil nogooder whose wife passed away was simply minding his own business, not hurting anybody and spending what money he had in that lovely moo baan full of caring people!!!

Against the LAW yes but, where is the humanity?

PATHETIC!!!

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Expat Brad

[ThaiBunny]

15 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

You know very well that "renew his visa" is a commonly used figure of speech

It's also a commonly used expression on the web sites of many Thai providers that cater to the visa seeker

[tandor]

22 hours ago, moe666 said:

At least everyone knows they enforce the rules no matter how heart breaking the story is. No wishy washy with these guys, no slack, no doubt

..have to pay for those 'smart beemers' somehow!

[transam]

1 hour ago, Expat Brad said:

If he and his wife owned the house. Who gets the house? ????

So, this evil nogooder whose wife passed away was simply minding his own business, not hurting anybody and spending what money he had in that lovely moo baan full of caring people!!!

Against the LAW yes but, where is the humanity?

PATHETIC!!!

 

If your wife dies you have one year to sell the house if it is in her name. I smell family here, as the house now will belong to them...

[metisdead]

Some more troll posts that were posted for the purpose to continue trolling have been removed. 

[emptypockets]

22 hours ago, tomauasia said:

I wish only bad KARMA on that Thai. What a human lol Parasite 

Where did it say the neighbour was Thai?

[emptypockets]

22 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Did he "not bother" to renew his visa (extend his permission to remain), or did he not have the required funds to switch to a retirement extension? It is not clear in the OP.

If the latter, I feel a bit sorry for the guy. Having settled here for a long time and, through no fault of his own, being unable to remain legally.

I think there is a case for a "grandfathering" style arrangement which would allow the widower to continue his extensions on the basis of a married man's income.

 

It's all his own fault any way you spin it. He made the decision to not extend his permission to stay, nobody else could have.  I don't believe there is a special visa for the underfunded.

Edited March 6, 2020 by emptypockets

[emptypockets]

22 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

If you read my previous post you will see that I was referring to a retired man who has not worked in Thailand.

Should have done your homework.like it or lump it that's the rules. Want to get citizenship in Oz as a retiree? You better have mega bucks. That's their rules.

Why would any country want to give citizenship to anyone who is only there for purely economic reasons, refugees excepted.

Edited March 6, 2020 by emptypockets

[alacrity]

Not the first report of such a 'reporting' recently. No doubt from an anonymous source.

While not decrying that the guy was on overstay and got caught, the rhetoric is probably a fake news story to spread uncertainty.

[emptypockets]

6 hours ago, transam said:

If your wife dies you have one year to sell the house if it is in her name. I smell family here, as the house now will belong to them...

If she had a will. Otherwise the estate distribution follows Thai law.

[connda]

On 3/5/2020 at 7:52 PM, ravip said:

So... the bottom line is immigration officers should NOT arrest overstayers and illegal immigrants?

No.  The bottom line is that Thailand should join most of the rest of the countries on this planet who consider the sanctity of the family to be an institution to be protected and cherished.  In virtually all other countries in the world, when a family comes into being and that family is comprised of a country's native citizen and a foreigner, the foreigner - now being a member of the family living in the host country - is granted a place within the society of the host country, and granted residency in order to built and expand the family unit and to help its members, including wife, children, and extended family, to prosper themselves.  
But not in Thailand.  Here a family comprised of a native citizen and a foreigner is only a family as long as 1) the foreigner has assets in multiples of what most average Thais earn (unless the foreigner is female), and 2) the Thai spouse is alive.  If the family union created children then wash, rinse, repeat but substitute 'child' for 'wife.'  If the wife or child dies, or if the child reaches the age of majority (as in the case of a widower), the "family" is dissolved by government edict and the foreigner is shown the door.  

There is no security in the Thai family unit that is comprised of a foreigner married to a Thai.  None - at all. 

That's the bottom line.  Virtually everywhere else in the world the family is considered sacrosanct - an institution to be protected.  Something of value. 
There is no sanctity for a Foreigner-Thai family.  In the paranoid minds of Thai law-makers and bureaucrats, foreigners will forever be considered "possible criminals" and always "national security risks" first and foremost.  The fact that we are husbands and providers who have assimilated into Thai society means absolutely nothing to the Thai government and Thai authorities.  
For the rest of your life, especially if your wife (child) dies before you, being tossed out of the country on the whim of changing immigration edicts is always a possibility.  

Edited March 6, 2020 by connda

[Vigilante]

'Ok khap...you can come out of the cupboard now..!'

[balo]

The law is the law. 8 years overstay is a very long time.

 

Now the old man can end his life in Japan. If you can't control your life and follow the laws in the country you choose to settle down in, sooner or later you know your time is up. 

[jackdd]

10 hours ago, connda said:

No.  The bottom line is that Thailand should join most of the rest of the countries on this planet who consider the sanctity of the family to be an institution to be protected and cherished.  In virtually all other countries in the world, when a family comes into being and that family is comprised of a country's native citizen and a foreigner, the foreigner - now being a member of the family living in the host country - is granted a place within the society of the host country, and granted residency in order to built and expand the family unit and to help its members, including wife, children, and extended family, to prosper themselves.  
But not in Thailand.  Here a family comprised of a native citizen and a foreigner is only a family as long as 1) the foreigner has assets in multiples of what most average Thais earn (unless the foreigner is female), and 2) the Thai spouse is alive.  If the family union created children then wash, rinse, repeat but substitute 'child' for 'wife.'  If the wife or child dies, or if the child reaches the age of majority (as in the case of a widower), the "family" is dissolved by government edict and the foreigner is shown the door.  

There is no security in the Thai family unit that is comprised of a foreigner married to a Thai.  None - at all. 

That's the bottom line.  Virtually everywhere else in the world the family is considered sacrosanct - an institution to be protected.  Something of value. 
There is no sanctity for a Foreigner-Thai family.  In the paranoid minds of Thai law-makers and bureaucrats, foreigners will forever be considered "possible criminals" and always "national security risks" first and foremost.  The fact that we are husbands and providers who have assimilated into Thai society means absolutely nothing to the Thai government and Thai authorities.  
For the rest of your life, especially if your wife (child) dies before you, being tossed out of the country on the whim of changing immigration edicts is always a possibility.  

It's called permanent residency, many foreigners just fail to apply for it, you can't blame Thailand for this.

The only hurdle which other countries might not have is that Thailand requires foreigners to contribute to the country by working in Thailand to be able to apply.

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, jackdd said:

It's called permanent residency, many foreigners just fail to apply for it,

Don't you need to be continuously employed for 3 years in Thailand before you can apply?

Many foreigners never get the chance to apply.

Edited March 7, 2020 by BritManToo

[balo]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

A very strange attitude, the law is meaningless

A meaningless comment from you, nothing new. Please ignore me.  

[ICELANDMAN]

 

The area was surrounded and the suspect was found alone.

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Waow, thank you antiterrorist squad this high dangerous criminal is arrested, now I feel more secure in my bed

 

 

[Ventenio]

21 hours ago, connda said:

There is no sanctity for a Foreigner-Thai family. 

exactly.  zero chance of getting married to a Thai and living in Thailand.  I understand the headaches, so I won't do it.  feel bad for others who do and then have nothing but problems.  

[metisdead]

Some inflammatory posts and replies have been removed. 

[sambum]

On 3/5/2020 at 8:23 AM, tonray said:

Everybody attacking Thai Immigration for doing their job. The Japanese guy knew the rules when he entered the country....he was an illigal immigrant...the same kind that you all rail against when inside the borders of your own sovereign nations....get him out...if you don't have the decency or the smarts to obey local laws as a guest in a foreign country....then you deserve arrest and deportation.

Why don't you get a bit of humanity in your soul, but before that learn to read (and spell first!) First of all, the word  is "illegal", and secondly he was not an illegal when he entered the country:- 

"Japanese national Sadao T., 67, was on an eight year overstay of 3,027 days. His passport showed that he had entered Thailand on 21st November 2008 and his latest extension allowed him to remain in the kingdom until November 2011. (The media put 2021 but Thaivisa suggests that was a typo).That was the last entry. Sadao explained that his Thai wife had died and after that he just lived alone in the house and never really went

anywhere."

The last sentence says it all really - a sad lonely old man who kept himself to himself, and didn't bother anyone but some busybody took this to look like he was a wanted criminal and called in the "Smart Car"and no doubt half a dozen officers who can be justifiably proud of a job well done - give me a break!

 

[balo]

15 hours ago, sambum said:

a sad lonely old man who kept himself to himself,

Not a valid reason to overstay for 8 years.  Yes we can all have sympathy for the old man, but you know he asked for it. He knew he would get deported sooner or later.