Popular Post Jingthing Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) The premise of this topic. Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic. The virus is in Thailand to some degree (whether you believe it's as low as the official report numbers or not). We can assume community transmission is already happening here. The only question is at what rate. Pattaya even though slow now is the most popular beach resort city in Asia. So now to the baht buses. Well a lot of this could apply to any public transportation system as all of them involve groups of people being packed into tight spaces. But this is about Pattaya public transportation. So it's about baht buses. I suggest that it's time for people to take action on this. Nothing very original here, but here goes: Consider either cutting out all baht bus riding entirely or limit to necessary rides. Avoid more crowded buses and times though that's random and you aren't really in control. If you see obviously sick people either move far away or get off the bus. (That's awkward.) If you suspect you have any symptoms wear a face mask. A basic one will do. I won't suggest that the general public wear face masks, basic or respirators, on baht buses or anywhere else. That's my conclusion based on reading the expert opinions. You may differ. Avoid touching any of the rails on the buses. But sometimes you might need to perhaps for support on getting on and off. If you did touch anything on the bus, wash or sanitize your hands ASAP. As I'm sure everyone knows by now, avoid touching your face. Sounds so easy. Is so hard. Above is what we should do as individuals in my opinion. But what about the baht bus system operators? Ideally I would suggest an organized system of disinfecting the buses frequently. Do I think they will do that? No I don't. Edited March 12, 2020 by Jingthing 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I went to a restaurant the other day and there was a very noisy group in there and I immediately feared they were Chinese. I heard the Thai and relaxed. I don't use baht uses anyhow. I cancelled a night out for Wednesday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Don't limit yourself to the infection capital. There are many places/cities in Thailand that use songtaews as public transport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shdmn Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 What a cringey over dramatic title. Rolling dens of....transmission. Give me a break. Suddenly everyone is a virologist. 7 12 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skallywag Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic. The virus is in Thailand to some degree (whether you believe it's as low as the official report numbers or not). 70 people infected out of a population of 69 million people. Pandemic has not reached Thailand yet IMO Grocery stores, malls, restaurants would be more of a concern to me. Good advice on cleanliness, washing hands Peace 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 No. It is officially a pandemic now. That's about the global situation and potential situation. Look up the definition if you're confused. Meaning nations as well as individuals must take actions or worse case scenarios are likely. As far as the current official numbers for Thailand does anyone actually believe them? As we see in some other countries already when the cases increase exponentially and that can start with one case, then things get really serious really fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted March 12, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, shdmn said: What a cringey over dramatic title. Rolling dens of....transmission. Give me a break. Suddenly everyone is a virologist. Suddenly everyone is a headline critic. But you read it yeah so it's an effective and actually accurate headline so no apologies. Edited March 12, 2020 by Jingthing 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fforest1 Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) The baht buses are open air.....nothing to worry about......I would be much more worried about 7-11s, restaurants, bars, grocery stores, buses, airplanes.... Edited March 12, 2020 by fforest1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacko45k Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, shdmn said: What a cringey over dramatic title. Rolling dens of....transmission. Give me a break. Suddenly everyone is a virologist. Click bait, it hooked you! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: Don't limit yourself to the infection capital. There are many places/cities in Thailand that use songtaews as public transport. Yeah but l like to keep things local here on the Pattaya forum. Do people agree with me that the city should start a formal program of disinfecting the baht buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JHolmesJr Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 If a dude like tom hanks can get it, despite being insulated against huge crowds with all his $$$$ then it can happen to anyone anywhere any time. There is no way to get on a songthaew without gripping the rails. Wear disposable plastic gloves that food handlers use in food areas....and change them out regularly. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, fforest1 said: The baht buses are open air.....nothing to worry about......I would be much more worried about 7-11s, restaurants, bars, grocery stores, buses, airplanes.... MPs, short time rooms etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Skallywag said: 70 people infected out of a population of 69 million people. Pandemic has not reached Thailand yet IMO Grocery stores, malls, restaurants would be more of a concern to me. Good advice on cleanliness, washing hands Peace How do you know the number is really 70? And if accurate, remember that Northern Italy and South Korea had much less cases a month ago. An American specialist in infectious diseases has reportedly said that the virus is being breathed in, rather than being transmitted from hand to face, on most occasions. He was interviewed on the Joe Rogan experience. He reportedly said that N95 masks can be effective but the others don’t offer much protection. For older people the key is to avoid getting it, because if you do and it causes pneumonia, you will not be cared for. In Italy they are so overwhelmed that they are not intubating people over 60, and people with a poor health history. So take this seriously, it is not just a flu. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, fforest1 said: The baht buses are open air.....nothing to worry about......I would be much more worried about 7-11s, restaurants, bars, grocery stores, buses, airplanes.... They are open air true but that won't help you if you are crammed right next to an infected person and he sprays and/or you touch a rail surface that she touched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jingthing said: No. It is officially a pandemic now. That's about the global situation and potential situation. Look up the definition if you're confused. Meaning nations as well as individuals must take actions or worse case scenarios are likely. As far as the current official numbers for Thailand does anyone actually believe them? As we see in some other countries already when the cases increase exponentially and that can start with one case, then things get really serious really fast. I believe the Thai numbers. The Easter bunny coming soon and Santa gave me nice present. 55555555 ????????❤???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said: If a dude like tom hanks can get it, despite being insulated against huge crowds with all his $$$$ then it can happen to anyone anywhere any time. There is no way to get on a songthaew without gripping the rails. Wear disposable plastic gloves that food handlers use in food areas....and change them out regularly. Good point about gloves. They are probably more effective than masks in this context. However and unfortunately I think there is a social aspect where people accept mask wearing these days but wearing gloves outside of food prep would look kind of crazy. Edited March 12, 2020 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watthong Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Grocery stores, malls, restaurants would be more of a concern to me. Good advice on cleanliness, washing hands How about those condiment/silverware corners in the food court where you go and get your spoon/fork/chopstick. It's still bare-hand communal sharing, even though you could dip the utensils into the hot water pot afterward, but your hands are already contaminated. Maybe it's time to wear gloves like the girls in the food card booth. But then the virus can stick to the gloves surface and so on...like I have mentioned before, the possibilities are endless once you venture outside the house. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Good point about gloves. They are probably more effective than masks in this context. However and unfortunately I there is a social aspect where people accept mask wearing these days but wearing gloves outside of food prep would look kind of crazy. you are out there rooting vigorously for Biden so I wouldn't worry about appearing crazy ???? ok...that was a joke! I have worn those plastic gloves at the supermarket while picking up things and carting them....you get some looks but in these times I'd rather be safe than worry about what people think. The plastic gloves I referenced are cheap, come in a box of 500 or so and not many have figured out their use yet so still freely available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, watthong said: How about those condiment/silverware corners in the food court where you go and get your spoon/fork/chopstick. It's still bare-hand communal sharing, even though you could dip the utensils into the hot water pot afterward, but your hands are already contaminated. Maybe it's time to wear gloves like the girls in the food card booth. But then the virus can stick to the gloves surface and so on...like I have mentioned before, the possibilities are endless once you venture outside the house. buy small ziplock bags and carry your own cutlery in them....after finishing wipe them with tissue and seal them again...until you get back home and wash them. you will look a bit like Larry David but who cares at this point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watthong Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 44 minutes ago, shdmn said: What a cringey over dramatic title. Rolling dens of....transmission Rolling? I thought it was "roiling dens of transmission." There's a dramatic difference there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayaout Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, AlexRich said: How do you know the number is really 70? And if accurate, remember that Northern Italy and South Korea had much less cases a month ago. An American specialist in infectious diseases has reportedly said that the virus is being breathed in, rather than being transmitted from hand to face, on most occasions. He was interviewed on the Joe Rogan experience. He reportedly said that N95 masks can be effective but the others don’t offer much protection. For older people the key is to avoid getting it, because if you do and it causes pneumonia, you will not be cared for. In Italy they are so overwhelmed that they are not intubating people over 60, and people with a poor health history. So take this seriously, it is not just a flu. Here is the interview you are talking about. In the first 15min he say that mask are useless but about in the middle of the interview he say that N95 works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watthong Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said: The plastic gloves I referenced are cheap, come in a box of 500 or so and not many have figured out their use yet so still freely available. Where do you get those? I also buy them regularly but they only come in box 100 at the local pharma. Maybe makro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, watthong said: Where do you get those? I also buy them regularly but they only come in box 100 at the local pharma. Maybe makro? sorry they are in box of 100....these are not like the super tight tiny ones doctors use they are a bit looser and comfortable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: If you see obviously sick people either move far away or get off the bus. (That's awkward.) Why? just ring the bell and get off. They don't know you were intending to go further. 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Avoid touching any of the rails on the buses. But sometimes you might need to perhaps for support on getting on and off. One can not get infected by touching a surface unless your hand is compromised ( if it is, one should be using a plaster on the wound ). Transmission occurs when sticking a finger with a virus on it up one's nose, in one's eye or in a a friendly lady's private bits. Transmission may occur in the mouth, but I'm not sure about that. Wearing a mask is not going to stop one becoming infected, but infected people should wear one in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Yeah but l like to keep things local here on the Pattaya forum. Do people agree with me that the city should start a formal program of disinfecting the baht buses? LOL. Could be reinfected by the first person that gets on after. As much chance, IMO, of getting infected on a baht bus as I have of bedding a superstar. Could happen, but highly unlikely. Edited March 12, 2020 by thaibeachlovers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 So either risk a covid Baht bus infection, OR risk your motorbike taxi man on the phone texting his g/f, juggling a coffee and smoking a cigarette whilst swerving in and out of 100 km traffic to squeeze through the closing train barrier ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) same Hua Hin. it is all over social media that young people are jumping on planes to come to Thailand because of low costs now and they think they will not get sick. many saying if i have to die, i want to die having fun. this photo i took is from a month ago but is typical of baht bus here now. second photo is Tamarind Night market packed with people every thurs - sun. three photo is Baan Khun Por Food Market. again every night so packed it is hard to find a seat and mostly with local Thais and some expats and tourist. all sitting together. four nights ago i walked into a family mart outside of Hua Hin and it was full of Russians. a big family. that might sound normal in Pattaya but it is a indication of how many tourist are still here and new one arriving all the time. tourists are not taking this seriously in Thailand. i am reading many posts on other forums asking questions about their vacation plans. which island? bla bla. Edited March 12, 2020 by NCC1701A 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JHolmesJr Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, NCC1701A said: same Hua Hin. it is all over social media that young people are jumping on planes to come to Thailand because of low costs now and they think they will not get sick. many saying if i have to die, i want to die having fun. this photo i took is from a month ago but is typical of baht bus here now. second photo is Tamarind Night market packed with people every thurs - sun. three photo is Baan Khun Por Food Market. again every night so packed it is hard to find a seat and mostly with local Thais and some expats and tourist. all sitting together. four nights ago i walked into a family mart outside of Hua Hin and it was full of Russians. a big family. that might sound normal in Pattaya but it is a indication of how many tourist are still here and new one arriving all the time. tourists are not taking this seriously in Thailand. i am reading many posts on other forums asking questions about their vacation plans. which island? bla bla. Insanity....thailand has a way of making everyone stupid...and I am living proof of that! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watthong Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: One can not get infected by touching a surface unless your hand is compromised ( if it is, one should be using a plaster on the wound ). Transmission occurs when sticking a finger with a virus on it up one's nose, in one's eye or in a a friendly lady's private bits. Transmission may occur in the mouth, but I'm not sure about that. Wearing a mask is not going to stop one becoming infected, but infected people should wear one in public. Thanks for this nitty-gritty detail (no I'm not being sarcastic!) In other words the virus needs outside transportation to get into the deep recess of the human body where it can attack and ravage - it can't crawl or fly to get in there. In the same token, if it can travel through the nose I'm sure it can travel through the mouth. Also at this point I still wonder what kind of transmission that might occur while in the toilet. Edited March 12, 2020 by watthong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, NCC1701A said: ...over social media that young people are jumping on planes to come to Thailand because of low costs now and they think they will not get sick. many saying if i have to die, i want to die having fun. They won't die...they'll just end up falling ill, making many other people ill, closing down businesses, straining the health system to breaking point. Over in Singapore they are floating an idea of cutting back on border controls and focusing on social curbs within the country. Clearly its all about $$$$ at this point...they have to choose between letting tourists in and general safety of their people.... looks like the former has won. Still, you have to wonder who would travel at this point except someone who's sick and wants a high level of healthcare that SG can offer.....at a high price. Looks like theyre trying to push a medical tourism angle now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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