tropo Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 10:46 AM, Matzzon said: This is a totally useless thread, due to many reasons. I will give you some: The 1 GB speed offer is if you are alone on the node you are connected to, which almost never is a fact. To get up to the speed of 1 GB, which is virtually impossible, you will need to have the latest computer with very high specs. Even with a new high spec com, it´s not enough. You can not have any software installed that might slow down you connection, due to that the computer is multitasking. You will also need to have the absolute best RJ45 fibre cable, that gives you 0 resistance receiving the signal That was just some points you will have to consider. All that will post their different speeds that you ask for, is going to have different circumstances that will affect their speed result. Regarding that only one speed test will be able to show the high speed result is wrong. If you really have full speed, then all real speed tests will be able to show that. If only one that is also chosen by you ISP is showing, then it´s sure to be a fake result. True Internet My results: 710/252 18ms (old computer) 910/299 8ms (new computer) There's another very important factor. All these services are shared services unless you have your own pipe, meaning they are UP TO the offered maximum speed. The more people who sign up to these new services, the slower they will become unless you subscribe to a premium package. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superal Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 20 hours ago, tropo said: There's another very important factor. All these services are shared services unless you have your own pipe, meaning they are UP TO the offered maximum speed. The more people who sign up to these new services, the slower they will become unless you subscribe to a premium package. Thailand NBTC state the ISP must provide at least 80% of the highest quoted speeds they have packaged 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, superal said: Thailand NBTC state the ISP must provide at least 80% of the highest quoted speeds they have packaged I have only seen "up to" regarding speeds, which basically means any speed. Are you sure the NBTC rule refers to shared services? It would be impossible for any ISP to guarantee a speed with shared services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, tropo said: I have only seen "up to" regarding speeds, which basically means any speed. Are you sure the NBTC rule refers to shared services? It would be impossible for any ISP to guarantee a speed with shared services. Somewhere in this thread I posted the terms and conditions set by 3bb, and for their 1Gb package they guarantee 900 Mbps in writing. I have a complaint running with NBTC and they confirmed they have to provide 80% of the speed mentioned on the package 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Susco said: Somewhere in this thread I posted the terms and conditions set by 3bb, and for their 1Gb package they guarantee 900 Mbps in writing. I have a complaint running with NBTC and they confirmed they have to provide 80% of the speed mentioned on the package I haven't read any contracts lately. All I remember were the contracts I read from CAT that clearly stated they cannot guarantee any speed. If that has changed now, that's good news. They will have to limit sharing. However, the reality is that speed to international servers is slow no matter what speed your service offers. Speed to local servers is not useful for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, tropo said: However, the reality is that speed to international servers is slow no matter what speed your service offers. Speed to local servers is not useful for most of us. This thread also isn't about international speeds, and there is no law that says the ISP has to guarantee international speeds, but they have to for local speeds. So since NBTC could not enforce anything in regard to international speeds, however it is obvious that there is an issue with the network I'm connected to, I had to open a new claim to allow NBTC to act and force 3bb to fix the issue with the network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Yeap...CAT don't guarantee any percentage. Now the govt may surely require a minimum percentage, but CAT does not state any minimum percentage the their Terms of Agreement on their website. https://www.cinternetbycat.com/2019/super_speed_plus.html Quote C internet service is a high speed internet service which uses the speed of receiving and sending data together. The quality and speed of use depends on the quantity or number of users at that time.The distance between the internet network and the user's location Quality and efficiency of connected equipment Including the server of the website visited, especially foreign websites, may result in lower connection speed than specified in the package chosen. Edited April 4, 2020 by Pib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, tropo said: The discussion of international speed is relevant here No it is not. In case you missed it, I'm the OP and I clearly wrote in the thread title Post your 1Gb speed tests here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratremix Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, tropo said: I haven't read any contracts lately. All I remember were the contracts I read from CAT that clearly stated they cannot guarantee any speed. If that has changed now, that's good news. They will have to limit sharing. However, the reality is that speed to international servers is slow no matter what speed your service offers. Speed to local servers is not useful for most of us. Define slow for international servers? You will never get 1gbps international speed due to latency and shared connection. Even a dedicated server in Germany with 1Gbps dedicated line can't get more than 150 Mbit towards California due to TTL and TCP/IP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisfeld Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, muratremix said: Define slow for international servers? You will never get 1gbps international speed due to latency and shared connection. Even a dedicated server in Germany with 1Gbps dedicated line can't get more than 150 Mbit towards California due to TTL and TCP/IP Sorry for being a bit off topic but that's nonsense. TTL != latency. TTL stands for Time To Live and is unrelated. Maybe you confused it with RTT? Latency while it can impact throughput does not mean a 1Gbps upstream in Germany can't push nearly 1Gbps to California. Just need big enough TCP windows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, muratremix said: Define slow for international servers? You will never get 1gbps international speed due to latency and shared connection. Even a dedicated server in Germany with 1Gbps dedicated line can't get more than 150 Mbit towards California due to TTL and TCP/IP Define it? A fraction of the ISP's offered speed and it varies a lot. For example, if your service is rated at, for example, 100 Mbps, you might get 50 Mbps to an International server (you might get 10, 5 or even less). If you increase your service to say 300 Mbps, or 500 Mbps, the speed to the International server will not change. Obviously you have the same problem in Germany, so it's not hard to imagine the situation is even worse in Thailand. Edited April 4, 2020 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Some Off topic posts removed. As per the OP this topic concerns "local" speeds for a specific reason, so please do not divert into "International" discussion it is "Off topic" to the purpose of this topic and to the OP's goal here. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratremix Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, eisfeld said: Sorry for being a bit off topic but that's nonsense. TTL != latency. TTL stands for Time To Live and is unrelated. Maybe you confused it with RTT? Latency while it can impact throughput does not mean a 1Gbps upstream in Germany can't push nearly 1Gbps to California. Just need big enough TCP windows. And you have a big TCP window set in your devices to benefit from this speed bump? I don't think so, so yes you can't get 1 Gbps international speed even if you have a dedicated business line with a single connection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody55 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) I have a new contract with 3BB for 1gb/100 installed yesterday to get it I had to pay 6 months in advance....this is my test... I guess I'll have to complain to 3BB don't you think so? Edited April 6, 2020 by Nobody55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i84teen Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 4/4/2020 at 8:19 AM, superal said: Thailand NBTC state the ISP must provide at least 80% of the highest quoted speeds they have packaged 80% of the pkg speed in Thailand, NOT the international gateways. A better test should be done to UK or USA, with and w/o vpn...then lets see what your gigabit speeds are now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i84teen Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) On 4/4/2020 at 9:42 AM, tropo said: I haven't read any contracts lately. All I remember were the contracts I read from CAT that clearly stated they cannot guarantee any speed. If that has changed now, that's good news. They will have to limit sharing. However, the reality is that speed to international servers is slow no matter what speed your service offers. Speed to local servers is not useful for most of us. "However, the reality is that speed to international servers is slow no matter what speed your service offers." That's hardly the case now as it's easy to achieve 300 or 400Mbps (which is NOT slow) to US and European servers from Thailand and that's with a vpn connection. And that's with 300/100Mbps fiber service. Edited April 12, 2020 by i84teen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, i84teen said: "However, the reality is that speed to international servers is slow no matter what speed your service offers." That's hardly the case now as it's easy to achieve 300 or 400Mbps (which is NOT slow) to US and European servers from Thailand and that's with a vpn connection. OK. Let's see some speed tests to a European and US server that high, or even a fraction of that. Please use testmy.net, and a large data sample. Tests on this website won't be anywhere near as good as you see on Speedtest.net, but they are far more meaningful because you can see exactly how long it takes to upload or download a large data sample. Try downloading and uploading a 200 MB data sample to various servers. I haven't done any speed tests for quite awhile, so let's have look. Don't use a VPN. Perhaps you are downloading torrents, which is totally different thing as you're connecting to many servers at the same time. I also manage to get good speeds when downloading torrents. Edited April 12, 2020 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I would agree it's not easy to achieve 300 to 400Mb VPN speeds to the US/Europe, but it is doable. I just did some speedtest.net tests to the US west coast and Europe....done on this fine Sunday/12Apr/at around 5pm which is probably a pick time with most every hiding from COVID-19 at their homes using the internet. Sorry, didn't feel motivated enough to use Testmy.net or some other speed tester. I'm on an AIS Fibre 700/50 plan....used an ExpressVPN IKEV2 connection. Now it took me about 20 tries to get below 6 results over 300Mb, but the results that didn't reach 300Mb were still well over 200Mb...usually in the 250-275Mb range. I sure do want to see some more speedtest.net results from some NordVPN users....results from those using the NordVPN app on their computer vs installed on their router since most folks just use an app for a VPN connection--that how I do it. Would really like to see some more NordVPN results "from Thailand" to the US because I just may sign-up with them if they consistently have fast speeds of over 200Mb to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i84teen Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 3 hours ago, tropo said: OK. Let's see some speed tests to a European and US server that high, or even a fraction of that. Please use testmy.net, and a large data sample. Tests on this website won't be anywhere near as good as you see on Speedtest.net, but they are far more meaningful because you can see exactly how long it takes to upload or download a large data sample. Try downloading and uploading a 200 MB data sample to various servers. I haven't done any speed tests for quite awhile, so let's have look. Don't use a VPN. Perhaps you are downloading torrents, which is totally different thing as you're connecting to many servers at the same time. I also manage to get good speeds when downloading torrents. here ya go. Data sample: >400MB to SEA, and >600MB to FRA. I pay for 300/100 fiber service. I access ookla via the cmd terminal on macOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratremix Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 18 hours ago, Pib said: I would agree it's not easy to achieve 300 to 400Mb VPN speeds to the US/Europe, but it is doable. I just did some speedtest.net tests to the US west coast and Europe....done on this fine Sunday/12Apr/at around 5pm which is probably a pick time with most every hiding from COVID-19 at their homes using the internet. Sorry, didn't feel motivated enough to use Testmy.net or some other speed tester. I'm on an AIS Fibre 700/50 plan....used an ExpressVPN IKEV2 connection. Now it took me about 20 tries to get below 6 results over 300Mb, but the results that didn't reach 300Mb were still well over 200Mb...usually in the 250-275Mb range. I sure do want to see some more speedtest.net results from some NordVPN users....results from those using the NordVPN app on their computer vs installed on their router since most folks just use an app for a VPN connection--that how I do it. Would really like to see some more NordVPN results "from Thailand" to the US because I just may sign-up with them if they consistently have fast speeds of over 200Mb to the US. is this IPSEC l2tp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, muratremix said: is this IPSEC l2tp? As mentioned in the post it's IKEV2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 ExpressVPN using IKEV2 protocol....13 Apr/Monday/approx 1:55pm Thailand time to Seattle and London. I'm on an AIS Fibre 700/50 plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i84teen Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Pib said: ExpressVPN using IKEV2 protocol....13 Apr/Monday/approx 1:55pm Thailand time to Seattle and London. I'm on an AIS Fibre 700/50 plan. how are your speeds on OpenVPN (UDP protocol)? If I use a 3rd party VPN client (SHIMO in this case) my speeds increase significantly over the xpressVPN app(S). Also, there are some squawks about the xpress desktop app doing "sneakie" things behind your back. Be aware. Attached is a scr-shot of speed test connected to France-Strasbourg OpenVPN-udp server using macOS SHIMO client. Service is fiber 300/100Mbps. Also, have u configured xpressVPN at the router level, if so, what router and what speeds did you see to US, Eu, etc? Edited April 13, 2020 by i84teen spelling | add content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) OpenVPN is significantly slower for me compared to IKEV2....about 20% slower. Have not configured at the router level...nor desire to. Only want to use VPN for certain connections at certain times. Edited April 13, 2020 by Pib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratremix Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Pib said: As mentioned in the post it's IKEV2. I'm nowhere near getting those speeds with 3BB 900/500. I get 300-350 mbps towards singapore with ipsec using my digitalocean vps droplet though. perhaps I need to optimize tcp window on vps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 So many different factors can impact a person's internet speed (non-VPN and VPN). Hardware....software....settings...the ISP...the VPN provider...the user...mysterical-magical things. Preaching to the choir I know. All a person can do is try to figure out where the choke point(s) is and then try to overcome it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 today True internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratremix Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 I got an SMS saying my package upgraded to 1000/1000 from 3BB. I had 700/700 before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, muratremix said: I got an SMS saying my package upgraded to 1000/1000 from 3BB. I had 700/700 before that. That ping time is amazing....you must live next door to the 3BB server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratremix Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pib said: That ping time is amazing....you must live next door to the 3BB server. I'm living in the center of Phuket so I don't think I can be too far from it. Singapore test also seems to be impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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