Popular Post webfact Posted March 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2020 Exclusive: U.S. axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreak By Marisa Taylor FILE PHOTO: People coming from the Hubei province wait at a checkpoint at the Jiujiang Yangtze River Bridge in Jiujiang, Jiangxi province, China, as the country is hit by an outbreak of a new coronavirus, February 1, 2020. REUTERS/Thomas Peter - RC2JRE950YUT/File Photo WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters has learned. The American disease expert, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue. The first cases of the new coronavirus may have emerged as early as November, and as cases exploded, the Trump administration in February chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and keeping U.S. experts from entering the country to help. “It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Bao-Ping Zhu, a Chinese American who served in that role, which was funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 2007 and 2011. “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.” Zhu and the other sources said the American expert, Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases. As an American CDC employee, they said, Quick was in an ideal position to be the eyes and ears on the ground for the United States and other countries on the coronavirus outbreak, and might have alerted them to the growing threat weeks earlier. No other foreign disease experts were embedded to lead the program after Quick left in July, according to the sources. Zhu said an embedded expert can often get word of outbreaks early, after forming close relationships with Chinese counterparts. Zhu and the other sources said Quick could have provided real-time information to U.S. and other officials around the world during the first weeks of the outbreak, when they said the Chinese government tamped down on the release of information and provided erroneous assessments. Quick left amid a bitter U.S. trade dispute with China when she learned her federally funded post, officially known as resident adviser to the U.S. Field Epidemiology Training Program in China, would be discontinued as of September, the sources said. The U.S. CDC said it first learned of a “cluster of 27 cases of pneumonia” of unexplained origin in Wuhan, China, on Dec. 31. Since then, the outbreak of the disease known as COVID-19 has spread rapidly worldwide, killing more than 13,600 people, infecting more than 317,000. The epidemic has overwhelmed healthcare systems some countries, including Italy, and threatens to do so in the United States and elsewhere. In a statement to Reuters, the U.S. CDC said the elimination of the adviser position did not hinder Washington’s ability to get information and “had absolutely nothing to do with CDC not learning of cases in China earlier.” The agency said its decision not to have a resident adviser “started well before last summer and was due to China’s excellent technical capability and maturity of the program.” The CDC said it has assigned two of its Chinese employees as “mentors” to help with the training program. The agency did not respond to questions about the mentors’ specific role or expertise. “CDC has had a 30-year partnership with China CDC and close collaboration,” the statement said. “We had the right staff to engage China and ability to provide technical assistance were it requested.” The CDC would not make Quick, who still works for the agency, available for comment. Asked for comment on Chinese transparency and responsiveness to the outbreak, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs referred Reuters to remarks by spokesman Geng Shuang on Friday. Geng said the country “has adopted the strictest, most comprehensive, and most thorough prevention and control measures in an open, transparent, and responsible manner, and informed the (World Health Organization) and relevant countries and regions of the latest situation in a timely manner.” One disease expert told Reuters he was skeptical that the U.S. resident adviser would have been able to get earlier or better information to the Trump administration, given the Chinese government’s suppression of information. “In the end, based on circumstances in China, it probably wouldn’t have had made a big difference,” Scott McNabb, who was a CDC epidemiologist for 20 years and is now a research professor at Emory University. “The problem was how the Chinese handled it. What should have changed was the Chinese should have acknowledged it earlier and didn’t.” ALERT FROM CHINA’S CDC Alex Azar, secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS)said Friday that his agency learned of the coronavirus in early January, based on Redfield’s conversations with “Chinese colleagues.” Redfield learned that “this looks to be a novel coronavirus” from Dr. Gao Fu, the head of the China CDC, according to an HHS administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “Dr. Redfield always talked to Dr. Gao,” the official said. HHS and CDC did not make Azar or Redfield available for comment. Zhu and other sources said U.S. leaders should not have been relying on the China CDC director for alerts and updates. In general, they said, officials in China downplayed the severity of the outbreak in the early weeks and did not acknowledge evidence of person-to-person transmission until Jan. 20. After the epidemic exploded and China had imposed strict quarantines, Trump administration officials complained that the Chinese had censored information about the outbreak and that the United States had been unable to get American disease experts into the country to help contain the spread. Azar told CNN on Feb. 14 that he and CDC director Redfield officially offered to send a CDC team into China on Jan. 6 but still had not received permission for them to enter the country. HHS oversees the CDC. “Dr. Redfield and I made the offer on January 6th - 36 days ago, 60,000 cases and 1,300 deaths ago,” Azar said. “We made the offer to send the CDC experts in to assist their Chinese colleagues to get to the bottom of key scientific questions like, how transmissible is this disease? What is the severity? What is the incubation period and can there be asymptomatic transmission?” Days later, the World Health Organization secured permission to send a team that included two U.S. experts. The team visited between Feb. 16th and 24th. By then, China had reported more than 75,000 cases. On Feb. 25, the first day the CDC told the American public to prepare for an outbreak at home, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused China of mishandling the epidemic through its “censorship” of medical professionals and media. Relations between the two countries have deteriorated since then, as Trump has labeled the coronavirus the “Chinese virus” - a description the Chinese have condemned as stigmatizing. Last week, the Chinese government announced that Americans from three U.S. news organizations, The New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal, would be expelled from China. ONCE ‘FRIENDS,’ NOW RIVALS The decision to eliminate Quick’s job came as the CDC has scaled back the number of U.S. staffers in China over the last two years, the sources told Reuters. “We had already withdrawn many technical public health experts,” the same expert said. The CDC, however, disputed that staffing was a problem or that its information had been limited by the move. “It was not the staffing shortage that limited our ability” it said. The U.S. CDC team in Beijing now includes three American citizens in permanent roles, an additional American who is temporary and around 10 Chinese nationals, the agency said. Of the Americans, one is an influenza expert with expertise in respiratory disease. Coronavirus is not influenza, though it is a respiratory disease. The CDC team, aside from Quick, was housed at U.S. Embassy facilities. No American CDC staffer besides Quick was embedded with China’s disease control agency, the sources said. China in recent weeks has reported a dramatic slowdown in new cases, the result of drastic containment measures including the lockdown of Hubei province, home to 60 million people. Nevertheless, the infectious disease experts who spoke with Reuters said, the United States could use people like Quick with contacts on the ground, especially if fears of a second wave of infections materializes. Thomas R. Frieden, a former director of the CDC, said that if the U.S. resident adviser had still been in China, “it is possible that we would know more today about how this coronavirus is spreading and what works best to stop it.” Dr. George Conway, a medical epidemiologist who knows Quick and had served as resident advisor between 2012 and 2015, said funding for the position had been tenuous for years because of a perennial debate among U.S health officials over whether China should be paying for funding its own training program. Yet since the training program was launched in 2001, the sources familiar with it say, it has not only strengthened the ranks of Chinese epidemiologists in the field, but also fostered collegial relationships between public health officials in the two countries. “We go there as credentialed diplomats and return home as close colleagues and often as friends,” Conway said. In 2007, Dr. Robert Fontaine, a CDC epidemiologist and one of the longest serving U.S. officials in the adviser’s position, received China’s highest honor for outstanding contributions to public health due to his contribution as a foreigner in helping to detect and investigate clusters of pneumonia of unknown cause. But since last year, Frieden and others said, growing tensions between the Trump administration and China’s leadership have apparently damaged the collaboration. “The message from the administration was, ‘Don’t work with China, they’re our rival,’” Frieden said. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment. (Taylor reported from Washinton; Tony Munroe contributing from Beijing) -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-03-23 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TopDeadSenter Posted March 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2020 It almost seems Reuters is blaming America for China covering up the virus that originated in Wuhan,China. Hang on, that is exactly what Reuters is doing. Shamefull. 9 1 2 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GalaxyMan Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 This is just a further attempt by Trump and the Republicans to reduce government to a useless level so that there are no more rules for them to follow in their insatiable stampede to profit off the backs of the American people. They only care about America as a place for them to make money. 13 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 A post using a derogatory reference to the Chinese has been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simple1 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said: According to the CDC, there are a total of 3 US employees in China and 11 locals. https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/countries/china/default.htm And Reuters would have us believe if only we had that fourth American there, things would have turned out differently. Yes, the media are the enemy of the people. Well, American people. <SNIP> I suspect you have no knowledge whatsoever of the current roles of CDC personnel in China. You have made a number of claims, claims which typically come from the right of centre i.e. trump supporters who follow their 'leader's' political propaganda. BTW the OP article is well balanced, nothing like trump's awful public commentary. Edited March 23, 2020 by simple1 10 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 Awww com on guys trumps a very stable genius or so he says!! After all who needs experts when you know it all? 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Puchaiyank Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said: This is just a further attempt by Trump and the Republicans to reduce government to a useless level so that there are no more rules for them to follow in their insatiable stampede to profit off the backs of the American people. They only care about America as a place for them to make money. Bull hocky! 6 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chiphigh Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, simple1 said: I suspect you have no knowledge whatsoever of the current roles of CDC personnel in China. You have made a number of claims, claims which typically come from the right of centre i.e. trump supporters who follow their 'leader's' political propaganda. BTW the OP article is well balanced, nothing like trump's awful public commentary. I suspect that you don't have any knowledge either, but you do have a biased narrative to peddle. 7 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Enoon Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Chiphigh said: I suspect that you don't have any knowledge either, but you do have a biased narrative to peddle. This does not contradict what the CDC site says about staff numbers (3 US assignees): "The CDC team, aside from Quick, was housed at U.S. Embassy facilities. No American CDC staffer besides Quick was embedded with China’s disease control agency, the sources said." She was in a uniquely privileged position. Edited March 23, 2020 by Enoon 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 I applaud Reuters for bringing out the poor judgement of Trump administration. Another poor judgement was the airlifting of hundreds of Americans back in January that lack proper protocol on screening and quarantine which the axed infectious disease experts would have been extremely useful to provide valuable inputs and recommendations. 12 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post silent Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: I applaud Reuters for bringing out the poor judgement of Trump administration. Another poor judgement was the airlifting of hundreds of Americans back in January that lack proper protocol on screening and quarantine which the axed infectious disease experts would have been extremely useful to provide valuable inputs and recommendations. That wouldn't have increased his popularity and resulting appointment to America's wartime messiah 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chiphigh Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, Enoon said: This does not contradict what the CDC site says about staff numbers (3 US assignees): "The CDC team, aside from Quick, was housed at U.S. Embassy facilities. No American CDC staffer besides Quick was embedded with China’s disease control agency, the sources said." She was in a uniquely privileged position. It also says that there were ample trained Chinese staff to support the efforts. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simple1 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chiphigh said: I suspect that you don't have any knowledge either, but you do have a biased narrative to peddle. Read the OP. Regards your other comment, yes you're correct, trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA. Edited March 23, 2020 by simple1 4 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, silent said: That wouldn't have increased his popularity and resulting appointment to America's wartime messiah He is looking more like a wartime casualty as his incompetency and inadequacy in managing the pandemic revealed and as the economy sink into depression. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: He is looking more like a wartime casualty as his incompetency and inadequacy in managing the pandemic revealed and as the economy sink into depression. The wannabe warlord can probably recover from that too, with another of his no brainers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emdog Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 "U.S. axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreak" should be U.S. Trump axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreak Trump is not the US 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrogaz Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Now what on earth are China hosting US spies from the CDC in Beijing for? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: It almost seems Reuters is blaming America for China covering up the virus that originated in Wuhan,China. Hang on, that is exactly what Reuters is doing. Shamefull. No, they are reporting that Trump’s administration axed the position of the person whose job it was to provide direct health intelligence from China to the US. Another example of Trump vandalizing the very systems put in place to help protect America. 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 They were getting to close to the Chinese,cosying up with them,Trump will say. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoctorG Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 The press doing their usual framing again. Lead with the negative, put the positive stuff in the middle, then close with more negative. 2 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoctorG Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 You can be sure that if Dr Quick had been left in situ and she had died from the virus, elements on here would have been blaming Trump for not getting her out in time. 2 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, DoctorG said: The press doing their usual framing again. Lead with the negative, put the positive stuff in the middle, then close with more negative. Go on, tell us what the positive is in this news? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoctorG Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Go on, tell us what the positive is in this news? You mean the bit about the CDC saying it would not have made any difference if she had been there? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, DoctorG said: You mean the bit about the CDC saying it would not have made any difference if she had been there? Logically incorrect. But then who in the CDC made the remark and who does that person report to? 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Redline Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 hours ago, GalaxyMan said: This is just a further attempt by Trump and the Republicans to reduce government to a useless level so that there are no more rules for them to follow in their insatiable stampede to profit off the backs of the American people. They only care about America as a place for them to make money. Well put 1 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GalaxyMan Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 hours ago, GalaxyMan said: This is just a further attempt by Trump and the Republicans to reduce government to a useless level so that there are no more rules for them to follow in their insatiable stampede to profit off the backs of the American people. They only care about America as a place for them to make money. Moscow Mitch - loads of Chinese money from his wife's family; Richard Burr, Kelly Loeffler, Trump ripping the American people off by charging exorbitant rates for his secret service details hotel rooms at his properties...it's a long list. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac98 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Somebody should check who made a killng shorting the market, then we'll know if gutting funding for pandemic monitoring and the pulling of the pandemic expert from China just before an outbreak was a coincidence or something more nefarious by the administration during a losing trade war. Trump does have what he wants: wartime powers and getting the public used to National Guard troops on the streets before he calls out the regular army pre-election. Far fetched? Sure, but I wouldn't be surprised. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: It almost seems Reuters is blaming America for China covering up the virus that originated in Wuhan,China. Hang on, that is exactly what Reuters is doing. Shamefull. It's all part of the big plan: https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-is-pursuing-a-post-virus-plan-to-overtake-the-us-economy-report-says_3279578.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chiphigh Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 hours ago, simple1 said: Read the OP. Regards your other comment, yes you're correct, trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA. Your judgment of who is fit to represent the office is irrelevant. But thanks for the outrage. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 See also the CDC's poor performance here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html Failing Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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