Pattaya: "Zero" tourists - last remaining Russians have cancelled and tourism industry faces 80% closure for up to a year

[overherebc]

22 minutes ago, drbeach said:

It would be a good time to start building some proper intersections, widening the sois and designing a grid system.

You are thinking of 

[Leaver]

40 minutes ago, drbeach said:

Tourism may never get back to 'normal'. This is an economic reset...some experts are saying, we're moving into a more sustainable future by force; there will never again be as many flights and at least 1/4 of all the world's hotels will go out of business permanently.

 

Thailand will need to prepare for a different, less tourism dependent future.

 

While I do wish the country and it's tourism industry the best (and ditto for other parts of the region, which are similarly dependent on tourism such as Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam), I personally don't see Thailand ever coming close to 40 million visitors again. The future of tourism will be very different and that's just the way it's going to be.

Certainly, tourism will have to be rebuilt in Thailand.  It will not get back to the tourism numbers it had before the virus for some years. 

 

As this crisis comes to pass in many countries, I think you will see a big increase in domestic tourism in western countries. 

 

Travel insurance for leaving the shores of one's country may also be prohibitive for some time to come, until a vaccination is developed and deployed.  

 

Some tough times ahead for many Thai's in the hospitality and tourism industries, and finding a new job will be very competitive. 

 

 

[3NUMBAS]

and when it rebounds in the autumn another year will pass with no business at all

this wont be over easy

[Leaver]

26 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

and when it rebounds in the autumn another year will pass with no business at all

this wont be over easy

It's not only Thailand that has to rebound from this to entice tourists.  Western economies have to rebound so tourists can afford a holiday here.  The more this unfolds, the more it doesn't look good for Thailand's tourism industry. 

[CGW]

7 minutes ago, Farrows3399 said:

With tourism revenue down why would visas become more difficult/eliminated? Logically visas will relaxed. 

That view does nothing to add to the gloom, doom and pessimism, though makes perfect sense - to me anyway ???? 

[losworld]

On 3/30/2020 at 10:49 AM, NCC1701A said:

CNN reports Moscow has imposed a citywide quarantine for all residents, starting March 30 until further notice.

And how many were returning tourists from Thailand who contributed to the spread?  China may have had the baby but in many ways Thailand was the babysitter.

Edited April 1, 2020 by losworld

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, Farrows3399 said:

With tourism revenue down why would visas become more difficult/eliminated? Logically visas will relaxed. 

 

 

You missed my point.

 

With no tourists coming here, for the foreseeable future, and even when planes are in the air and boarders opened up, there will only be a trickle, that means very few businesses catering for westerns will be open.  One may not want a visa, because one may not want to live here anymore.

 

Then, you have possible visa changes by the Thai government to consider. 

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, Leaver said:

You missed my point.

 

With no tourists coming here, for the foreseeable future, and even when planes are in the air and boarders opened up, there will only be a trickle, that means very few businesses catering for westerns will be open.  One may not want a visa, because one may not want to live here anymore.

 

Then, you have possible visa changes by the Thai government to consider. 

I suspect that days of free departure and entry to and from many countries will be severely curtailed well into the future without a vaccination and high travel insurance, which will cost much more than now, especially for those over 65.

 

I feel the rules for permission to enter and stay will be tightened for all new retirement applicants.

We face a new world at the end of this.

 

 

[Leaver]

22 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I feel the rules for permission to enter and stay will be tightened for all new retirement applicants.

Good point, but it may not only be for new applicants.

 

Most retirees are in the higher risk category for death by Corona, due to their age.  Why would the Thai government want them dying in Thailand.  They may ramp up the requirements to get rid of a lot of them.  

 

They can always relax the requirements in the future, after a vaccine has been developed and deployed. 

[Rimmer]

Off topic posts and replies removed, topic is not about keeping money in a Thai Bank

[Leaver]

On 4/2/2020 at 3:43 AM, losworld said:

And how many were returning tourists from Thailand who contributed to the spread?  China may have had the baby but in many ways Thailand was the babysitter.

In the same way tourists left to return home after their holiday in Thailand, the Thai authorities allowed predominantly young Thai's to return to their home provinces, from tourists areas.  This was a very bad decision, but also a smart one.  They can better control information leaking out of Issan, but more difficult in the tourist places.  

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/31/2020 at 1:45 PM, AlohaBKk said:

It’s a pretty big black mark on a country trying to push itself in a better direction.  Just as gentrification happens in most areas the same will apply to Pattaya.  I’m sure thai people don’t appreciate it.  Let’s be honest pattaya doesn’t bring the best foreigners anyways.  Tbh the punters are the problem and bring their problems too.  The city didn’t start out that way.  Foreigners brought it.  Maybe it’s time they start trying to kick the scrubs out and attract better people.  Actually since everything is <deleted> down...now is a great time to start.  ????

The city didn’t start out that way.  Foreigners brought it.

 

Do you actually know anything about Pattaya's history? Pattaya was a monger's paradise before it was a city. Before the mongers there was just a fishing village ( apparently, as I wasn't in Pattaya back then. Perhaps there was nothing. ) According to legend it started as an R & R center for GIs during the Vietnam war, but certainly by the 80s it was the place for cheaper bargirls than in Bkk.

Pattaya was built on the backs of the bargirls, so let's not have any of that "farangs spoiled it" rubbish.

 

BTW, are you aware that the Thai prostitution scene is far, far larger than the farang scene? Most Thais probably don't have a problem with prostitution, as they are the most customers of it.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/2/2020 at 2:37 PM, Leaver said:

Most retirees are in the higher risk category for death by Corona, due to their age. 

Only if they have underlying health problems. Anyone with underlying health problems is at risk regardless of age.

[Leaver]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Only if they have underlying health problems. Anyone with underlying health problems is at risk regardless of age.

With Covid-19, age IS the underlying health problem. 

[WillyPlatt]

Coronavirus affects all ages and a sizeable minority without any underlying health issues.

2 NHS nurses have died in the UK today.

It is totally irrelevant about who came here from where. Borders are irrelevant with this virus. They are beginning to flatten the curve in Europe.

Now what?

 

 

 

[RJRS1301]

8 hours ago, Leaver said:

With Covid-19, age IS the underlying health problem. 

Another person in UK under 20 dead without any underlying heath problems. 

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Only if they have underlying health problems. Anyone with underlying health problems is at risk regardless of age.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever in relation to the post you quoted. It can obviously be turned around to say older people are more likely to have these underlying health problems. 

[Leaver]

8 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Another person in UK under 20 dead without any underlying heath problems. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52114476

 

Quote: "They said he had no apparent underlying health conditions and tested positive for Covid-19 on Friday, a day after he was admitted to hospital."

 

13 years old. 

 

Every parents nightmare.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/4/2020 at 2:19 AM, Leaver said:

With Covid-19, age IS the underlying health problem. 

Are you saying every person over 65 is going to die of Corona?. It's actually all about underlying health problems and immune systems.

Till the younger dead people are investigated no one can say they didn't have underlying health problems. School boys have dropped dead of diagnosed health problems.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Leaver said:

no apparent underlying health conditions

No apparent are the relevant words. Wait till after the autopsy.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, jacko45k said:

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever in relation to the post you quoted. It can obviously be turned around to say older people are more likely to have these underlying health problems. 

Of course older people are more likely to have underlying health problems which is why it is mainly old people dying.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Another person in UK under 20 dead without any underlying heath problems. 

You can't say that unless an autopsy found nothing. If it is true, it becomes a whole new ball game.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/2/2020 at 1:43 AM, drbeach said:

at least 1/4 of all the world's hotels will go out of business permanently.

If that's every hotel with "boutique" in it's name I for one shall rejoice. Too many Pattaya dives have tarted themselves up and put their prices up substantially without doing anything to improve their service.

I used to stay a lot at one 6 story hotel with no lift when it was 600 baht a night, but when they upped the price to 900 and still no lift that was it for me.

[Leaver]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you saying every person over 65 is going to die of Corona?.

No. 

 

However, we are in Thailand. 

 

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's actually all about underlying health problems and immune systems.

Wrong.

 

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Till the younger dead people are investigated no one can say they didn't have underlying health problems.

Do you think they have just put the young dead 6ft under, or burnt them?  There is much we need to learn from their death.  Full autopsies.  Full medical history. 

 

We need to find out how this virus chooses its victims. 

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

School boys have dropped dead of diagnosed health problems.

True.

 

Young, super fit football professionals have dropped dead on the pitch.   It happens, but it doesn't happen to their team mate, just because they were in close contact with them.  

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/2/2020 at 2:30 AM, Leaver said:

Certainly, tourism will have to be rebuilt in Thailand.  It will not get back to the tourism numbers it had before the virus for some years. 

 

As this crisis comes to pass in many countries, I think you will see a big increase in domestic tourism in western countries. 

 

Travel insurance for leaving the shores of one's country may also be prohibitive for some time to come, until a vaccination is developed and deployed.  

 

Some tough times ahead for many Thai's in the hospitality and tourism industries, and finding a new job will be very competitive. 

 

 

The IMF has decreed we are in recession. I'm thinking depression. I can't see tourism starting in a big way again for a long time.

 

It will not get back to the tourism numbers it had before the virus for some years. 

I hope it never will. Mass tourism ruined Thailand as a tourist destination on many levels. If it can get back the numbers of the early 90s it will be enough.

[Leaver]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If it can get back the numbers of the early 90s it will be enough.

You should know by now, NOTHING is ever enough for Thai's.  Money Number One.  ????

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Leaver said:

No. 

 

However, we are in Thailand. 

 

Wrong.

 

Do you think they have just put the young dead 6ft under, or burnt them?  There is much we need to learn from their death.  Full autopsies.  Full medical history. 

 

We need to find out how this virus chooses its victims. 

True.

 

Young, super fit football professionals have dropped dead on the pitch.   It happens, but it doesn't happen to their team mate, just because they were in close contact with them.  

I'm saying wait till the autopsies are done before pronouncing that it attacks people with no underlying health problems as has been happening on here.

 

By all means stop team sports. I have zero problem with that.

[CGW]

5 minutes ago, Leaver said:

You should know by now, NOTHING is ever enough for Thai's.  Money Number One.  ????

Should we accredit that to the fine leadership they have been getting over the years?

[Leaver]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No apparent are the relevant words. Wait till after the autopsy.

Been done, and results known. 

 

The best virologists, doctors, and scientists, in the world, are on this, and collaborating, 24/7.

 

The tissue samples are not waiting in a queue, like in normal times.

 

They know it kills the old.  They are starting to see it can kill the young.  It's winning the race.  The best defense we have at the moment is to not become a host.  

[Leaver]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm saying wait till the autopsies are done before pronouncing that it attacks people with no underlying health problems as has been happening on here.

 

By all means stop team sports. I have zero problem with that.

The autopsies have been done.  Samples have been taken and examined.

 

The results currently are, THEY DON'T KNOW why some die and some can prevail.  Why do you think such a global emphasis on not becoming a host?

 

One of two things happen.  Either the virus kills the host, or the host's immune system kills the virus. 

 

The challenge is, to isolate the hosts from the healthy.  Something that seems to be lost in translation for many who complain about bars and clubs being closed here.