Time to sue China?

[RJRS1301]

6 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

WTO tariff for creating barriers to global trade by being a holes?

When did China listen to WTO?

 

[metisdead]

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[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, ravip said:

Definitely it will take a lot of time. Who would want to pay 05x - 10x more? For example, a laptop or a mobile phone?

Closer to 0.5% to 1% more. 

 

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

You don't think if US companies can not produce their products in low cost economies they would lose market share, profits and quality?

They can manufacture overseas for overseas markets.  They can manufacture in the USA for the American Market - which is no small thing. 

 

I am open to some sort of "free trade zone" ideas for "only for export" production, where different rules would apply than for domestic consumption.  But shipping US-cotton to China, to make a shirt, which is then shipped back to the USA - No More!  It's horrible for the country in every way, with energy-waste in transport, enabling environmentally-destructive processes, and de-employing Americans at the same time.

 

1 hour ago, Russell17au said:

Perhaps you should go and look at Newcastle and see that the manufacturing of steel has stopped and that the steel is imported from China. Instead of trying to incite your filthy violence towards China because it is people like you who caused a friend of mine to get stabbed in Melbourne because he looked Chinese when in fact he comes from Kalasin, he is Thai. So perhaps you need to check your facts.

Apples and Oranges.  I don't hate people who live somewhere because their government is evil.  I don't ignore the danger the govt and it's policies pose, nor do I 'hate' those who suffer under it. 

 

To stop what you are discussing, much better if the media condemned the Chinese govt, while decrying their treatment of the Chinese people.  Of course, they won't do that, because the big media companies are transnational-conglomerates, whose principles are in bed with the Chinese regime.  They celebrate incidents like those you cited, because they help make a fake-left-cover case for the continued destruction of the lives of working people with destructive trade practices.  Their argument is to shut up about the harm they are doing, "or you are encouraging racism," or "are racist."  Fortunately, average folks are waking up to that evil psychological trick. 

[HandsomeTallFarang]

There are literally videos on YouTube of Chinese people intentionally sneezing on elevator buttons, coughing at people on planes which caused them to be kicked off, and wiping used Kleenex tissues on park benches. Look it up.

 

 

There mods, is that better? 

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, UbonThani said:

Silly nonsense. Most things are simple. Politicians complicate things cause they are liars invested in self interest.

Untangling our supply chain from China should not be underestimated.  That said, it can be done.  Too bad it took this horrible event to get the ball rolling.

  

1 hour ago, Brewster67 said:

The Chinese don't need to do diddly squat mate... it is the west that come to the Chinese for the stuff they make. Let's say Trump orders an immediate embargo on everything made in china, the US economy would collapse, millions of businesses would be left in the crapper and what would it mean to the Chinese?... A 1.8% drop in their manufacturing output.

The USA is not the only nation whose people are recognizing the harm done by trading with China, instead of producing domestically.   This event is merely bringing it to a head.

It must be phased in, to allow the supply-chains to be brought back (where they were, originally).  We can work with our allies in the Free World to make that happen more easily for all. 

We can also provide more-favorable trade-terms to those who cooperate, than those who don't.

 

1 hour ago, Brewster67 said:

You are living in lala land.

 

Western governments have been begging the Chinese for inward investment for decades, if all Chinese owned companies in the west were shut down tomorrow by the chinese it would lead to hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs.

The market-niches would not go away, and domestic companies would fill them quickly. 

No more "begging" hat-in-hand with tyrants, to get some fraction of our lost trade-deficit capital back.

 

For many years, I and other nationalists have been advocating the gradual increase of tariffs to their original, pre-globalization levels (similar to Thailand's).  The goal is to restore the market-conditions which worked well for our citizens, before - while minimizing the market-trauma.  Due to delay in taking action until the CCP grew into a powerful meanace, we may not have the luxury of the latter, any more.

[JackThompson]

21 minutes ago, ravip said:

  1 hour ago, ravip said:

Definitely it will take a lot of time. Who would want to pay 05x - 10x more? For example, a laptop or a mobile phone?

Closer to 0.5% to 1% more.

 

If the difference was only that, why were manufacturing shifted to China?

Retail Price - not wholesale.  Billions of $$ involved, so it adds up. 

 

Then factor in not needing the high-taxes to pay for all the poor citizens needing handouts, in addition to their paychecks (if they can still get one), to "just barely survive."  Then add in the decline in drug and alchol abuse, which spike among hopeless populations, and the crime and other harm that causes.  And the broken families?

Replacing your workforce with slaves - either imported or offshored - has terrible secondary effects, in addition to the primary ones.  Slightly cheaper "stuff" doesn't come close to making up for it.

Edited April 5, 2020 by JackThompson

[Lacessit]

29 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

 

 

To stop what you are discussing, much better if the media condemned the Chinese govt, while decrying their treatment of the Chinese people.  Of course, they won't do that, because the big media companies are transnational-conglomerates, whose principles are in bed with the Chinese regime.  They celebrate incidents like those you cited, because they help make a fake-left-cover case for the continued destruction of the lives of working people with destructive trade practices.  Their argument is to shut up about the harm they are doing, "or you are encouraging racism," or "are racist."  Fortunately, average folks are waking up to that evil psychological trick. 

Reverse racism has been around for decades, and is most frequently used by Asians. Usually the under-performing ones, the high flyers know they don't need it.

I've met a fair few smart people of many ethnicities, and some Chinese are right up there.

[JackThompson]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Reverse racism has been around for decades, and is most frequently used by Asians. Usually the under-performing ones, the high flyers know they don't need it.

I've met a fair few smart people of many ethnicities, and some Chinese are right up there.

East Asians score very high on average in the IQ department compared to the rest of the world, but it's an individual trait.  Geniuses are found in regions with a low average, and morons in the others.  The average is evident in the general conditions of a nation/region - forming a ceiling on development - in large part due to the direct correlation of low-IQ to criminal behavior.

 

But bigotry is more about tribalism than anything else - and that is an extension of "putting my family first'" in anthropological terms.   Tribalism-instinct kicks in when a "threat" is perceived.  Allowing different ethnic-groups to have their own soverign nations, which they exclusively control, and which operate solely for their benfit, is the best defense. 

 

And like all natural instincts, tribalism is manipulated by politicians - it's most clear form being during wartime.  But short of war, if a govt is messing-over their own people, blaming foreigners can help deflect the response.  If a foreign group/nation is collaberating with them on their misdeeds, blame some other foreigners who have nothing to do with it (or whose nations aren't paying 'tribute').

[ravip]

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Reverse racism has been around for decades, and is most frequently used by Asians. Usually the under-performing ones, the high flyers know they don't need it.

I've met a fair few smart people of many ethnicities, and some Chinese are right up there.

Racism is here to stay. Reverse or forwards, it is well established and will never be wiped away for another couple of centuries.

High flyers, in ANY ethnicity know they don't need it, but it is in their DNA. When it comes to a crunch, the racist emerge. Most conceal their racism very cleverly, but exposes it often in a very subtle manner.

[watthong]

 

 

[rastlin]

Suing is all well and good.

 

But how do you collect?  Last I checked China has a pretty substantial military force.

 

And while nations could seize Chinese assets in their country-China could retaliate and seize assets of foreign nations within their borders.

 

Sounds like a good recipe for war to me, which is the last thing we need right now. 

[billsmart]

No, the rest of the world should not look to punish China for this pandemic. 

Thinking like this is just another example of the "us versus them" attitude that so many racists and nationalists are displaying these days. It's despicable. ????

[Brewster67]

14 hours ago, Kinnock said:

That's already happening.  So how about we rebuild the global economy, without China.

Lol.... Are you dreaming?

 

Who the hell is going to support you in your quest to freeze out china when over 5 billion people in the world are officially classed as living in poverty and would basically have NOTHING if it wasn't for Chinese manufacturing.

 

Wake up man.

[UbonThani]

13 hours ago, ravip said:

Racism is here to stay. Reverse or forwards, it is well established and will never be wiped away for another couple of centuries.

High flyers, in ANY ethnicity know they don't need it, but it is in their DNA. When it comes to a crunch, the racist emerge. Most conceal their racism very cleverly, but exposes it often in a very subtle manner.

No such thing is reverse racism.

[UbonThani]

10 minutes ago, billsmart said:

No, the rest of the world should not look to punish China for this pandemic. 

Thinking like this is just another example of the "us versus them" attitude that so many racists and nationalists are displaying these days. It's despicable. ????

Even though they did it on purpose most likely.

 

Accident? Yeah and pigs fly.

[Brewster67]

4 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Even though they did it on purpose most likely.

 

Accident? Yeah and pigs fly.

How do you know for sure it wasn't the USA behind this?... YOU DON'T.

 

But attack China is your narrative, so you will continue to attack them regardless.

 

I have some very unfortunate news for you.... YOU won't bring down China and neither will the USA. We have all seen the crimes against humanity dished out by that monster.

[UbonThani]

4 minutes ago, Brewster67 said:

How do you know for sure it wasn't the USA behind this?... YOU DON'T.

 

But attack China is your narrative, so you will continue to attack them regardless.

 

I have some very unfortunate news for you.... YOU won't bring down China and neither will the USA. We have all seen the crimes against humanity dished out by that monster.

Covered it up

People who spoke out went missing

[Bundooman]

22 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I don't disagree with your sentiment, but good luck in trying to force them to pay, especially since they are in denial and trying to blame others.

Worldwide, effective and enforced sanctions on all Chinese goods would be a useful starting point, if China doesn't comply.

That means all goods, not just the below standard garbage they are flooding the world markets with.

China needs to be drawn into the 21st Century.

 

[tonray]

When China owns more than 1 Trillion in US Treasury debt....any lawsuit is unlikely to proceed too far before the US quashes it

[mrmicbkktxl]

23 hours ago, 2long said:

I still reckon the US started it.

I read that somewhere

The coronavirus traveled from Wuhan around the world, but didn't make it to Beijing or Shanghai ... can anyone explain that?

 

After all, there are so many questions where it all started. In China, the Chinese stock market didn't collapse, but the American and European markets ... and when these markets collapsed, the Chinese bought big.

 

All roads lead back to China ...

 

1. You have created a virus for which you already had an antidote.

 

2. You deliberately spread the virus for financial gain.

 

3. There is clear evidence of efficiency ... they built hospitals in a few days. They had to be prepared with the organized projects ... everything went very quickly with the ordering of the equipment, the hiring of workers, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and the storage in impressive volumes.

 

4. They caused chaos in the world, starting with Europe and the rest of the western worlds.

 

5. Quickly decimate the economies of dozens of countries.

 

6. Stop production and production lines in factories and primary production in dozens of countries.

 

7. Crash stock markets and then buy stocks, bonds and companies at bargain prices.

 

8. They then quickly gained control of the epidemic in their country. After all, they were ready and he had never really gotten out of control.

 

9. They succeeded in lowering the price of basic products, including the oil price.

 

10. Now they are returning to mass production with the rest of the world stopped.

 

Also note how quickly Chinese unions have been activated to "hoard" bus freight purchases to regional malls across Australia and clear our shelves of toilet paper and basic groceries. It happened before most of us knew what was happening, before we knew what the corona virus was.

 

PS: Read Chinese Colonel Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui's 1999 book "Unrestricted War: China's Master Plan to Destroy America" on Amazon. Everything is here.

 

It's worth thinking ..

Just remember ...

 

How is it that Russia and North Korea are almost completely free of Covid-19? Because they are strong allies of China. The lowest reported cases of Covid-19 come from these two countries. On the other hand, South Korea / United Kingdom / Italy / Spain and Asia are badly affected. And how is it that Wuhan is suddenly free of the deadly virus?

 

China will say that its initial drastic measures were very strict and that Wuhan was detained to curb spread to other areas. I am sure that you are using the virus antidote that was available before you released it.

 

Why wasn't Beijing affected at all?

 

And another interesting fact ... Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Wuhan at the height of the outbreak ... why did he put on a simple RM1 face mask to visit the affected areas? As President, shouldn't you be covered from head to toe in a hazardous material suit? Perhaps there was nothing to worry about because the antidote had already been injected?

 

There is no doubt that this is a biological war. And the world will be so different when this crisis calms down. Maybe this is just the first stage ...

And China really takes over the world.

[actonion]

Put them back into thier country and lock it . no chinese allowed out of the country like it used to be before

 

We never had  all these health problems  when china was a locked country,   too many  filthy dirty habits..

[metisdead]

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[Allset]

23 hours ago, metisdead said:

How about this:

 

$20 trillion lawsuit against China! US group says coronavirus is bioweapon

 

Coronavirus update: The plaintiffs have sought USD 20 trillion, which is a bigger amount than China's GDP, claiming coronavirus is the result of a biological weapon prepared by the Chinese authorities

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/world/usd-20-trillion-lawsuit-against-china-us-group-says-coronavirus-bioweapon/story/399071.html

Or maybe it was just filthy where it began. 

[Dionigi]

I seem to remember that the same bio weapon arguments were used against HIV infections, are we to ask reparations from African countries for HIV? Americans purposely infected the native Americans with smallpox and other diseases, South American natives were infected with all kinds of diseases that they had no immunity to by the Spanish. Black death and plagues were brought to other countries. Every time there is an epidemic the tin foil hat wearing brigade arise from the woodwork and start to want to lay blame on other people usually some one over who they have no control and frighten them.

[phkauf]

There are many options to "send a message" to China:

- highly restrict imports from China based on health concerns

- discourage businesses from sourcing products from China

- stop university students from China, these are mostly children of the rich and powerful

- restrict visas for Chinese, also will impact the rich and powerful disproportionally

- release more information to the world's media about the terrible situation with the Muslims in China

- release information about the hidden wealth of Xi and other top Commie Party leaders (billions of dollars per a Bloomberg report a few years ago)

- the Nuclear Option (not a bomb), a universal boycott of the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics would be the most severe penalty. Massive loss of face to China, massive financial hit and something that could not be hidden from the Chinese people since it's so public. The 2008 Summer Games did so much for China's image in a positive way, a cancelled or greatly diminished 2022 Winter Games would have destroy their image.

[Searat7]

The worst thing China did was allow normal travel during Chinese New Year as they definitely knew of the deadly virus by then....had this been stopped the global effect could have been somewhat mitigated. Also they should have allowed USA doctors and scientists to come to China which most certainly would have rung the alarm bells sooner.  

[tifino]

1 minute ago, Searat7 said:

The worst thing China did was allow normal travel during Chinese New Year as they definitely knew of the deadly virus by then....had this been stopped the global effect could have been somewhat mitigated. Also they should have allowed USA doctors and scientists to come to China which most certainly would have rung the alarm bells sooner.  

and deliberately not preventing all those millions? of their peasants from evacuating the country - under the guise of 'tourists' 

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, Searat7 said:

The worst thing China did was allow normal travel during Chinese New Year as they definitely knew of the deadly virus by then....had this been stopped the global effect could have been somewhat mitigated. Also they should have allowed USA doctors and scientists to come to China which most certainly would have rung the alarm bells sooner.  

No, the alarm bells were rung very early by a highly competent female Chinese doctor who figured out this is most likely a new virus. However, this then had to work its way through the political instances. Nevertheless China reacted to an unknown enemy very quickly, they published the Genome on 11 January. The Chinese gave the West a window of opportunity to do something.

 

Our Western leaders, without exception, squandered this opportunity and did nothing until it was too late.

 

If anyone should be sued it is our own leaders in the West, who watched Wuhan for weeks and did nothing.

[heybuz]

pie in the sky, just don't buy chinese goods if you want to punish anybody. i suspect when it is all over it will be business as usual and price will decide your purchases.

 

[Enzian]

This factor of the spread of infectious diseases from one population to another is fascinating because it is also on the list of factors that came together to effect the extinction of the neanderthal species around 40,000 years ago, not accidentally the same period that homo sapiens started moving into western Europe in large numbers. 

It is also interesting that Wikipedia accepts the general consensus that the "second" black plague, which hit Europe starting in the middle of the 14th century and kept on sporadically for over 300 years, started in China and spread to Europe along the Silk Road.