Trump says WHO is China-centric, 'really blew it' on coronavirus

[rabas]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

I suggest you check your figures for today 

Today's numbers exactly as stated. I wrote 14795÷435128 => 3.4%. My live sources:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://ncov2019.live/

 

May I ask where you are looking?

 

(of course these live numbers will only be good for today April 9, 2020)

Edited April 9, 2020 by rabas

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

Today's numbers exactly as stated. I wrote 14795÷435128 => 3.4%. My live sources:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://ncov2019.live/

 

May I ask where you are looking?

 

(of course these live numbers will only be good for today April 9, 2020)

United States: 363,321

CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

 

• Total cases: 395,011
• Total deaths: 12,754
• Latest at 4pm CDC

Edited April 9, 2020 by RJRS1301

[simple1]

41 minutes ago, candide said:

So in your vision of the world, governments get their information from media headlines (ok, maybe Trump does)? National health organisations have close contact with the WTO, they have access to all available information. By the way, information has been published nearly every day by the WHO

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_February_2020

 

And about your last comment:

"This resulted in many saying "See not a problem" even here at TV."

????

You and other TVF Trumpers have been making a barrage of posts for weeks to downplay the pandemic, arguing that Dems, the so-called experts and MMS were aiming at creating panic, now claim that the information about the severity of the spread was not available. 

So if Trumpers made a barrage of posts to criticize the Dems, the experts and the MSM for allegedly overstating the crisis, it's because the information was widely displayed, right?

 

NB Thanks for the tip

You and others may be interested in the WHO Covid status link below.

 

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

 

 

[rabas]

15 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

United States: 363,321

CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

My sources are live, updating multiple times a day for researchers.  The CDC is general public information and my experience is they are less timely.

 

Just now the CDC number for April 8 was

• Total cases: 395,011
• Total deaths: 12,754

So they are about a day behind. Currently the US has about 35000 cases/day. Today is April 9 so the world meters are just more up to date.

 

Current world meters (quoted in my post) 435,128 and 435,160

Edited April 9, 2020 by rabas

[rabas]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You sure about those numbers?

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-worlds-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-limited-testing-2020-3

Let's look at real numbers the way researchers use them, not rely on what the MSM feeds us.  My sources:

 

Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Cases Data
compiled by: Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering

repository: https://data.humdata.org/dataset/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-cases

 

Fatality rates divide two numbers.  For early numbers this division can be very unreliable and professionals don't use them. BI has purposely chosen unreliable numbers to 'get' Trump.

 

Notice by March 21 the death rate has stabilized at 1.2%.

 

US   2/25/20  cases=     51   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/26/20  cases=     57   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/27/20  cases=     58   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/28/20  cases=     60   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/29/20  cases=     68   dead=    1 rate=  1.47%  FIRST DEATH
US    3/1/20  cases=     74   dead=    1 rate=  1.35%
US    3/2/20  cases=     98   dead=    6 rate=  6.12%   unreliable data
US    3/3/20  cases=    118   dead=    7 rate=  5.93%   unreliable data
US    3/4/20  cases=    149   dead=   11 rate=  7.38%   unreliable data
US    3/5/20  cases=    217   dead=   12 rate=  5.53%   unreliable data <= BI uses 5.7
US    3/6/20  cases=    262   dead=   14 rate=  5.34%   unreliable data
US    3/7/20  cases=    402   dead=   17 rate=  4.23%
US    3/8/20  cases=    518   dead=   21 rate=  4.05%
US    3/9/20  cases=    583   dead=   22 rate=  3.77%
US   3/10/20  cases=    959   dead=   28 rate=  2.92%
US   3/11/20  cases=   1281   dead=   36 rate=  2.81%
US   3/12/20  cases=   1663   dead=   40 rate=  2.41%
US   3/13/20  cases=   2179   dead=   47 rate=  2.16%
US   3/14/20  cases=   2727   dead=   54 rate=  1.98%
US   3/15/20  cases=   3499   dead=   63 rate=  1.80%
US   3/16/20  cases=   4632   dead=   85 rate=  1.84%
US   3/17/20  cases=   6421   dead=  108 rate=  1.68%
US   3/18/20  cases=   7783   dead=  118 rate=  1.52%
US   3/19/20  cases=  13747   dead=  200 rate=  1.45%
US   3/20/20  cases=  19273   dead=  244 rate=  1.27%
US   3/21/20  cases=  25600   dead=  307 rate=  1.20% <== stable

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by rabas

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, rabas said:

Let's look at real numbers the way researchers use them, not rely on what the MSM feeds us.  My sources:

 

Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Cases Data
compiled by: Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering

repository: https://data.humdata.org/dataset/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-cases

 

Fatality rates divide two numbers.  For early numbers this division can be very unreliable and professionals don't use them. BI has purposely chosen unreliable numbers to 'get' Trump.

 

Notice by March 21 the death rate has stabilized at 1.2%.

 

US   2/25/20  cases=     51   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/26/20  cases=     57   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/27/20  cases=     58   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/28/20  cases=     60   dead=    0 rate=  0.00%
US   2/29/20  cases=     68   dead=    1 rate=  1.47%  FIRST DEATH
US    3/1/20  cases=     74   dead=    1 rate=  1.35%
US    3/2/20  cases=     98   dead=    6 rate=  6.12%   unreliable data
US    3/3/20  cases=    118   dead=    7 rate=  5.93%   unreliable data
US    3/4/20  cases=    149   dead=   11 rate=  7.38%   unreliable data
US    3/5/20  cases=    217   dead=   12 rate=  5.53%   unreliable data <= BI uses this
US    3/6/20  cases=    262   dead=   14 rate=  5.34%   unreliable data
US    3/7/20  cases=    402   dead=   17 rate=  4.23%
US    3/8/20  cases=    518   dead=   21 rate=  4.05%
US    3/9/20  cases=    583   dead=   22 rate=  3.77%
US   3/10/20  cases=    959   dead=   28 rate=  2.92%
US   3/11/20  cases=   1281   dead=   36 rate=  2.81%
US   3/12/20  cases=   1663   dead=   40 rate=  2.41%
US   3/13/20  cases=   2179   dead=   47 rate=  2.16%
US   3/14/20  cases=   2727   dead=   54 rate=  1.98%
US   3/15/20  cases=   3499   dead=   63 rate=  1.80%
US   3/16/20  cases=   4632   dead=   85 rate=  1.84%
US   3/17/20  cases=   6421   dead=  108 rate=  1.68%
US   3/18/20  cases=   7783   dead=  118 rate=  1.52%
US   3/19/20  cases=  13747   dead=  200 rate=  1.45%
US   3/20/20  cases=  19273   dead=  244 rate=  1.27%
US   3/21/20  cases=  25600   dead=  307 rate=  1.20% <== stable

 

You are diverting the focal issue that Trump was wrong to call out WHO for falsely rated corona virus death at 3.4% and asserted his own rated death at less than 1% from his hunch. Good try though. By the way, the death rate is understated. Many die at home and not been tested for corona virus.

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Japan was slowed to implement tough measures to minimize the infection. They have been criticized by their own citizens. They are well behind the curve compare to their neighbouring Taiwan and South Korea. But I am still surprised by the Deputy PM putting blame. It’s not Japanese culture to shirk responsibility. 

and so was I but it appears he's fedup with the way WHO was kissing to China and neglecting Taiwan... guess there is always a 1st for everything

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and so was I but it appears he's fedup with the way WHO was kissing to China and neglecting Taiwan... guess there is always a 1st for everything

As I said, Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso is a rather odd nationalistic Japanese who once said that Japan is the only country in the world with a single race, language and 2,000 monarchy, sparking criticism that he was ignoring indigenous group and Japan racial diversity. He was also criticized for comments interpreted as defending AH’s motives for the killing of Jews. Remind me of someone. 

[Isaan sailor]

22 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

He did say it was a Democrats Hoax, yes.

Agreed.  MSM tried to misquote him saying Coronavirus is a hoax.  They failed.

He said the Democrats reactions were a hoax.

[justin case]

anything thinks corona killing the economy and trump chances of re-election as they have someone to blame

 

even it is WHO , bill gates, china, etc ...

[Odysseus123]

2 minutes ago, justin case said:

anything thinks corona killing the economy and trump chances of re-election as they have someone to blame

 

even it is WHO , bill gates, china, etc ...

But it isn't WHO,Bill Gates,the Masons,Illuminati,Club of Rome,5G,Tralfamadoreans or even the Chinese-deliberately-is it?

[Dap]

23 hours ago, Dap said:

I didn't ask about Biden, can't you read plain english? It was a simple (I guess not enough) question. Try to answer the question.

 

And still not a single answer that tells me what this morons qualifications are that makes him so much smarter than all the top flight advisors he has ... hired and ...  fired! 

[metisdead]

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[Bruno Gerussi]

Sticking to the OP: Trump isn't wrong in his assessment of the WHO. Disclaimer: I am not American or a Trump supporter. Just calling things as I see them. The WHO has done a grave disservice to citizens around the world by withholding information/parroting CCP propaganda. And before the mob attacks me, I implore everyone to research "Dr. Tederos" the Marxist-Leninist strongman of Ethiopia, now head of the WHO and his ties to the CCP. Stay home and stay safe everyone. The truth will prevail, as always. The question is at what human cost? 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Bruno Gerussi said:

Sticking to the OP: Trump isn't wrong in his assessment of the WHO. Disclaimer: I am not American or a Trump supporter. Just calling things as I see them. The WHO has done a grave disservice to citizens around the world by withholding information/parroting CCP propaganda. And before the mob attacks me, I implore everyone to research "Dr. Tederos" the Marxist-Leninist strongman of Ethiopia, now head of the WHO and his ties to the CCP. Stay home and stay safe everyone. The truth will prevail, as always. The question is at what human cost? 

Which information did they withold, exactly?

[metisdead]

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[Chiphigh]

21 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

On 5 March on his pal Hannity show, Trump called the WHO death rate of 3.4% a false number and fake news. He followed with his hunch that it should be under 1%. Now the US death rate is at 5.7% and exposed his ignorance of science and the danger of false messaging. 

And, if we really care about facts and not the narrative :

 

Dr. Birx admitted that all deaths were being counted as covid regardless of whether or not they died from the virus or an underlying health issue. 

 

Add to that, the number of people who have the virus but don't know it. 

 

If you were objective, you would have to see that the percentage is lower, but it does not fit your narrative of orange man bad. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Chiphigh

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

And, if we really care about facts and not the narrative :

 

Dr. Birx admitted that all deaths were being counted as covid regardless of whether or not they died from the virus or an underlying health issue. 

 

Add to that, the number of people who have the virus but don't know it. 

 

If you were objective, you would have to see that the percentage is lower, but it does not fit your narrative of orange man bad. 

Sally Aiken, President of the National Association of Medical Examiners clarified “if Covid 19 played a role in the death, this condition is specified on the death certificate”. CDC advised that official should report deaths in which the patient tested positive for Covid 19. Micheal Baden, a former chief medical examiner of NYC told Fox News that it’s treasonable you include people with the virus, who also has other health issues, in the count. 

[rabas]

10 hours ago, candide said:

Which information did they withold, exactly?

Everything, from the start, as outlined here and throughout world media. And they continue to disappear those doctors and medical personnel who know about nCoV-2019's true origins. All covered up.

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

it’s treasonable

??

[RJRS1301]

I no do know about death certificates in USA, but in UK and Australia, the primary cause is listed, (repiratory failure, CA lung) or some such) then all comorbidites 

Edited April 10, 2020 by RJRS1301

[simple1]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Everything, from the start, as outlined here and throughout world media. And they continue to disappear those doctors and medical personnel who know about nCoV-2019's true origins. All covered up.

Let's get past this stuff. The bottom line is the trump administration were warned by their own intelligence people of the threat posed by Covid in late Dec/early Jan. The administration failed to take appropriate action for weeks. trump is only using his usual M.O, denial / deflection of responsibility.

Edited April 10, 2020 by simple1

[RJRS1301]

Trump ‘didn’t know people died from the flu.’ It killed his grandfather.

Gillian Brockell

3/7/2020

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

During Saturday's White House briefing, President Trump denied a report from the Washington Post that said U.S. intelligence reports in January and February warned of a coming pandemic by the COVID-19 coronavirus, saying, "We didn't know about it" until it "started coming out publicly."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/03/21/we-didnt-know-about-it-trump-denies-ignoring-coro

Mar 21, 2020,03:43pm EDT

[Eric Loh]

40 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

??

Sorry about the confusion. Should be “reasonable”. Fat fingers. 

[RJRS1301]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Sorry about the confusion. Should be “reasonable”. Fat fingers. 

Thank you

[Jim1000]

On ‎4‎/‎8‎/‎2020 at 9:40 AM, donnacha said:

Yes, fascinating and confusing, I find it exactly the same.

My main confusion is why the Democrats keep allowing him to use the same kungfu move, whipping them into a fury that keeps undermining them in the eyes of the public.

I don't think any of it is a mistake, and I'm certain the guy is not a moron. Scott Adams has written some interesting essays on the Trump phenomenon. Genius, or some sort of savant, I don't know, but it works like a charm.

 

Charm ?

[donnacha]

7 minutes ago, Jim1000 said:

Charm ?

"Works like a charm" is an English language idiom. In this case it refers to an apparently complicated and non-intuitive technique working successfully, getting an extremely unlikely candidate elected to the top job in the world.

It does not refer to the person using the technique. It does not mean that the person deploying the technique is charming. In fact, quite the opposite, it was his entertaining abrasiveness that swung it.

 

 

[candide]

3 hours ago, rabas said:

Everything, from the start, as outlined here and throughout world media. And they continue to disappear those doctors and medical personnel who know about nCoV-2019's true origins. All covered up.

This was about the WHO. Which information did they withold? They published all the information they received on a daily basis.

[RJRS1301]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

can I see that source

I did the research days ago, so I assume you can find it as well, I cannot recall where on the reports I found it but you can read them as I did, They are on the website

I have so many research and reports filed on my computer I am not spending hours doing your work to prove what I read.

Or it may have been on 

https://novel-coronavirus.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/

which has 5000 peer reviewed articles on it, be my guest.

[riclag]

9 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I did the research days ago, so I assume you can find it as well, I cannot recall where on the reports I found it but you can read them as I did, They are on the website

I have so many research and reports filed on my computer I am not spending hours doing your work to prove what I read.

Or it may have been on 

https://novel-coronavirus.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/

which has 5000 peer reviewed articles on it, be my guest.

Ok ! I'm curious since the POTUS has said the WHO is a China centric and knowing how the Chinese and WHO consulted each other,who in your opinion should be held responsible? The panel,the director, both or the Chinese Gov or all!

Edited April 10, 2020 by riclag