15 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I think antibiotics are aiding in the pneumonia caused by the virus. If that is wrong feel free to tell me. But I seem to be hearing about various antibiotics being used every day from multiple sources.

They are being used judiciously in combination to fight the inflammation and secodary infections caused, as well as to hopefully strenghten the immune system to hopefully stem replication of the virus, by assisting the immune system to stop the virus "hooking onto" healthy cells. They themselves also may cause unintended consequences in the individuals organs

 

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

After nearly 4 years everyone should be used to Trump riffing at the podium. He doesn't just read carefully prepared BS that sounds wonderful yet says nothing from a teleprompter, sad that such an inane and lazy approach won so many fans in years gone by. OK, so Trump mixes up the words germ and virus, big deal. It's nothing compared to Biden's daily word salads. What's with the sudden wave of pedantic outrage? Ah yes, just another excuse to bash Donald John Trump. 

the difference is the country is depending on mr trump to deal with the virus situation. 

 

he really needs to get his **** together and stop playing reality teevee star.  time to set aside the petty vindictiveness, stop pretending it's all about him all the time.  he can open the briefings, then let the experts take over.  sit down and shut up.

 

biden on the other hand is just a washed-up has-been wandering through his mansions bumping his noggin on the low ceilings.

4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

A tweet? Please

They've been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration's decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-disbanded-nsc-pandemic-unit-experts-praised-69594177

 

22 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I think antibiotics are aiding in the pneumonia caused by the virus. If that is wrong feel free to tell me. But I seem to be hearing about various antibiotics being used every day from multiple sources.

Correct, but not, as claimed by trump and his followers here, to fight the virus itself.

7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

SARS-Cov-2 is a virus, so antibiotics have no effect. Did Trump not say a few weeks ago that he understood this stuff?

covefe-19 is a stable genius

6 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Some basics, he is the POTUS, claims he is smarter than others, this is a health crisis.

There is a big difference between a virus and bacteria, most primary school students know that.

Most high school students understand  antibiotics are ineffective against viral infections

DJT is the one holding the press conferences not JB.

It is not about pedentry it about incompetence, the ability to lead and deliver a consistent message.

Macrolide antibiotics have antiviral properties including Azithromycin and Erythromycin.

Been know for years, just like Chloroquine had been studied for SARS-1 for 15 years.

 

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2012/649570/

Some established literature: azithromycin antiviral

 

No one expects Trump to have deep medical knowledge. Given that, he often seems smarter than many of his attackers.

 

BTW, viruses are germs.  "There are two main types of germs which can cause disease in humans and animals. These are bacteria and viruses."

 

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

No one expects Trump to have deep medical knowledge. Given that, he often seems smarter than many of his attackers.

Correct, but even high school students know the difference between viral and bacterial infections.

He is the "leader" and has no intelligent nor consistent narrative, in spite of his claim of smarter than others, and failing to even take on board basic medical information.

His incompetence in leadership, his partisan attitudes to non Rep governors and his threats towards others is a reflection of a person out of their depth.

This crisis should be beyond pettiness irrespective of party politics

 

18 minutes ago, rabas said:

No one expects Trump to have deep medical knowledge.

Quote of the year.

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

After nearly 4 years everyone should be used to Trump riffing at the podium. He doesn't just read carefully prepared BS that sounds wonderful yet says nothing from a teleprompter, sad that such an inane and lazy approach won so many fans in years gone by. OK, so Trump mixes up the words germ and virus, big deal. It's nothing compared to Biden's daily word salads. What's with the sudden wave of pedantic outrage? Ah yes, just another excuse to bash Donald John Trump. 

He does make it easy to trash him does he not?

It's not just Trump. Funding for science and medical research can't compete with 'essential' things like wars (great for business) and tax cuts for billionaires (great for business). This article refers to virus research funding cuts going back to 2010.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/we-were-so-close-three-potential-covid-19-vaccines-had-funding-cut-20200407-p54hw9.html

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

and this is POTUS speaking, repeat, repeat and repeat....

 

“It’s – it’s – there’s always a risk. This is a – this is genius that we’re fighting. You know, we’re fighting this hidden enemy, which is genius. Okay? It’s genius, the way it’s attacked so many countries at so many different angles.”

Yes the rambling and almost incoherent speaking points to a mental problem or dementia.

 

Get him out before he destroys what little respect is left for the US.......so many lies, so much ignorance and incoherent ramblings make one think the marbles are missing!

45 minutes ago, rabas said:

Macrolide antibiotics have antiviral properties including Azithromycin and Erythromycin.

Been know for years, just like Chloroquine had been studied for SARS-1 for 15 years.

 

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2012/649570/

Some established literature: azithromycin antiviral

 

No one expects Trump to have deep medical knowledge. Given that, he often seems smarter than many of his attackers.

 

BTW, viruses are germs.  "There are two main types of germs which can cause disease in humans and animals. These are bacteria and viruses."

 

The trials have had mixed results over the years, so much so that nowhere is azithromycin recommended to treat viral infections. At the moment everything is being thrown at this virus because it has no known cure.

 

"Our in vitro approaches indicated that progeny virus replication was remarkably inhibited by treating viruses with azithromycin before infection; however, azithromycin administration after infection did not affect this process".

 

"The macrolides may reduce the IL-8 levels in the airway and plasma, but failed to demonstrate an antiviral effect in children with bronchiolitis".

 

The combination of azithromycin, an immunomodulator, with oseltamivir was compared to oseltamivir monotherapy in a lethal BALB/c model of influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 infection. Groups of 14-16 mice received oral oseltamivir (10 mg/kg once daily for 5 days, starting at day 2 post-inoculation) alone or combined to azithromycin (a single 100 mg/kg dose, injected intraperitoneally at day 3 post-inoculation).

 

Based on survival rates, lung viral titers, and pro-inflammatory cytokine levels, the combination therapy did not provide obvious additional clinical/virological benefits over oseltamivir monotherapy.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=azithromycin+antiviral 

19 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Yes the rambling and almost incoherent speaking points to a mental problem or dementia.

 

Get him out before he destroys what little respect is left for the US.......so many lies, so much ignorance and incoherent ramblings make one think the marbles are missing!

My feeling on this is that is bewilderment from much of the rest of the world regarding the incumbent of the WH, sadness for average American. Hope for intelligent change or at least a person who listens to the advisors and is less narcisistic, able to deliver a cohernt narrative, also without childish ideas of granduer. 

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

he really needs to get his **** together and stop playing reality teevee star.  time to set aside the petty vindictiveness, stop pretending it's all about him all the time.  he can open the briefings, then let the experts take over.  sit down and shut up.

I understand what you are saying here. But please consider the ultimate aims of the medical experts are not 100% aligned with the ultimate aims of the President. Medics want to save their patients lives, end of story. Trump as President is trying to save American lives, as well as trying to save American jobs, the wider economy, and the American way of life. The latter issues are irrelevant for medics, yet consider that without jobs, laws and a country to call home, the anarchy that fills the void will be more dangerous than the virus. A difficult situation, but this is why Trump doesn't just let medics dictate the best policy, because their best policy is not necessarily the best way to save lives in the long run.

 

Luckily Trump, with his business acumen and street smarts is able to weigh up the information available and come to (hopefully) the best course of action. Rather than spewing hatred and negativity all day, to support the President would be a more patriotic and helpful stance.

33 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Luckily Trump, with his business acumen and street smarts is able to weigh up the information available and come to (hopefully) the best course of action.

The only course of action Trump cares about is that which benefits himself and his immediate family. I can't say friends, because he has none. Everybody is expendable to Trump.

 

33 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

hatred and negativity

Trump worships himself. That is evident from every sentence he utters - it's all about me, me, me... You may find that an appealing trait. Lots of Americans seem to, for some unfathomable reason.

 

Meanwhile. he is trashing the constitution and the reputation of his country for profit and likes.

26 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I understand what you are saying here. But please consider the ultimate aims of the medical experts are not 100% aligned with the ultimate aims of the President. Medics want to save their patients lives, end of story. Trump as President is trying to save American lives, as well as trying to save American jobs, the wider economy, and the American way of life. The latter issues are irrelevant for medics, yet consider that without jobs, laws and a country to call home, the anarchy that fills the void will be more dangerous than the virus. A difficult situation, but this is why Trump doesn't just let medics dictate the best policy, because their best policy is not necessarily the best way to save lives in the long run.

 

Luckily Trump, with his business acumen and street smarts is able to weigh up the information available and come to (hopefully) the best course of action. Rather than spewing hatred and negativity all day, to support the President would be a more patriotic and helpful stance.

 

this is not a question of who makes the final decisions.  this is about the public face of the response.  why is it important for trump to proclaim his health briefings get higher ratings than the final episode of the bachelor?  the man has no dignity.

 

i'm surprised he doesn't cut to commercial breaks with "five ways the virus is killing your children, coming up, after this word from our sponsors."

 

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump·

Mar 30

 

Because the “Ratings” of my News Conferences etc. are so high, “Bachelor finale, Monday Night Football type numbers” according to the@nytimes, the Lamestream Media is going CRAZY. “Trump is reaching too many people, we must stop him.” said one lunatic. See you at 5:00 P.M.!

 

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1244309931874017280?lang=en

12 hours ago, AlexRich said:

SARS-Cov-2 is a virus, so antibiotics have no effect. Did Trump not say a few weeks ago that he understood this stuff?

 He also said that the whole thing was a hoax engineered by the Dems. 

7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

No reference in the article as who has made the accustions nor the veracitiy of them. Just a large headline lifted from the Telegraph, UK, (not the most respected source) which also gives no references or data to collaborate the claim

 

The thread is not about WHO, it is about POTUS, the references of Tedros were placed there to show he had gained some knowledge and held qualifications as opposed to some others in positions of leadership.

 

Looks like its gaining traction though

12 hours ago, AlexRich said:

SARS-Cov-2 is a virus, so antibiotics have no effect. Did Trump not say a few weeks ago that he understood this stuff?

So much so that doctors bow down in awe of his infinite knowledge wherever he goes.

Every country has idiots. But in most countries people don't vote for them to be president.

And in most countries with free press they call a duck a duck and an idiot an idiot.

And then there is America, the land of the free. Amazing!

And there is a good chance that Americans will vote for him again for another 4 years. Why? Unbelievable, but true...

7 hours ago, soalbundy said:

covefe-19 is a stable genius

Brilliant genius a.k.a. Germ - 1 / Very stable genius - 0

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Every country has idiots. But in most countries people don't vote for them to be president.

And in most countries with free press they call a duck a duck and an idiot an idiot.

And then there is America, the land of the free. Amazing!

And there is a good chance that Americans will vote for him again for another 4 years. Why? Unbelievable, but true...

 

And yet it isn't really unbelievable at all. In much the same way the UK wanted out of the EU, Americans want out of the global agenda. They no longer believe in the grand experiment nor the way everything is headed. There are many reasons for this, and Tainter describes them in Collapse of Complex Societies, but everyone can sense that things were better in the past, and that they are slowly getting worse.

 

It isn't that people don't know what Trump is. It is that he is the only candidate who offered genuine change, so they took it. Now, the Democrats have put up Biden, aka Hillary 2.0, as his competition. I'm at a loss for words. Trump's bungling is not the issue.  If he wants to confuse a virus a bacteria that is not an unforgivable sin. The burning issue is the growing need to turn away from the global agenda. Only Trump offers even a hint that might be possible.

 

The question that remains though, is whether Trump's handling of this pandemic will be so unacceptable that he will beat himself in the upcoming election. Will the American people forgive him for causing so much economic destruction in the last few weeks? That is a question only November can answer.

 

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I understand what you are saying here. But please consider the ultimate aims of the medical experts are not 100% aligned with the ultimate aims of the President. Medics want to save their patients lives, end of story. Trump as President is trying to save American lives, as well as trying to save American jobs, the wider economy, and the American way of life. The latter issues are irrelevant for medics, yet consider that without jobs, laws and a country to call home, the anarchy that fills the void will be more dangerous than the virus. A difficult situation, but this is why Trump doesn't just let medics dictate the best policy, because their best policy is not necessarily the best way to save lives in the long run.

 

Luckily Trump, with his business acumen and street smarts is able to weigh up the information available and come to (hopefully) the best course of action. Rather than spewing hatred and negativity all day, to support the President would be a more patriotic and helpful stance.

Seems to me that it’s Trump (and his supporters) that’s been the one spewing hatred the last few years. His biggest achievement - dividing America - will be recorded accordingly in the history books as the beginning of the end for America as the strongest superpower in the world. All empires ultimately fall and Trump will go down in history as the worst president there ever was. 

6 hours ago, xylophone said:

Yes the rambling and almost incoherent speaking points to a mental problem or dementia.

 

Get him out before he destroys what little respect is left for the US.......so many lies, so much ignorance and incoherent ramblings make one think the marbles are missing!

We don't need your respect...even what little of it you have left. Got that?!

8 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Seems to me that it’s Trump (and his supporters) that’s been the one spewing hatred the last few years. His biggest achievement - dividing America - will be recorded accordingly in the history books as the beginning of the end for America as the strongest superpower in the world. All empires ultimately fall and Trump will go down in history as the worst president there ever was. 

For your sake.. hope you are wrong... you won't like the new Chinese world. But no worries. You are wrong! Whew you dodged a bullet there huh?!

11 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

And yet it isn't really unbelievable at all. In much the same way the UK wanted out of the EU, Americans want out of the global agenda. They no longer believe in the grand experiment nor the way everything is headed. There are many reasons for this, and Tainter describes them in Collapse of Complex Societies, but everyone can sense that things were better in the past, and that they are slowly getting worse.

 

It isn't that people don't know what Trump is. It is that he is the only candidate who offered genuine change, so they took it. Now, the Democrats have put up Biden, aka Hillary 2.0, as his competition. I'm at a loss for words. Trump's bungling is not the issue.  If he wants to confuse a virus a bacteria that is not an unforgivable sin. The burning issue is the growing need to turn away from the global agenda. Only Trump offers even a hint that might be possible.

 

The question that remains though, is whether Trump's handling of this pandemic will be so unacceptable that he will beat himself in the upcoming election. Will the American people forgive him for causing so much economic destruction in the last few weeks? That is a question only November can answer.

 

Yes. The Democrat party is over ... nearly historical at this point. Check out Rudy on the Hannity show yesterday.

4 hours ago, Sharp said:

Looks like its gaining traction though

The real villain  China !

The accessory to  China's  early miss deeds ,The director of the WHO!

The victims ,the people and countries that fell prey to their lack of transparency and negligence , USA,England,Canada,France,Germany,Thailand and 160 others! 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-china-li-wenliang-world-health-organization

 

Look to these actors who are complicit,not the current POTUS!

 

April 10,

“Where were the warning signs? Who should have blown the whistle?" Cuomo asked at a daily briefing. “The president has asked this question, and I think he’s right. The president’s answer is the World Health Organization should’ve been blowing the whistle.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/492209-cuomo-joins-criticism-of-who-response

 

 Its a sad day when even the Trump haters turn a blind eye on America, agencies and task force efforts and even his pasts critics response!

 The Trump haters are barking up the wrong tree !

 

5 hours ago, riclag said:

The real villain  China !

The accessory to  China's  early miss deeds ,The director of the WHO!

The victims ,the people and countries that fell prey to their lack of transparency and negligence , USA,England,Canada,France,Germany,Thailand and 160 others! 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-china-li-wenliang-world-health-organization

 

Look to these actors who are complicit,not the current POTUS!

 

April 10,

“Where were the warning signs? Who should have blown the whistle?" Cuomo asked at a daily briefing. “The president has asked this question, and I think he’s right. The president’s answer is the World Health Organization should’ve been blowing the whistle.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/492209-cuomo-joins-criticism-of-who-response

 

 Its a sad day when even the Trump haters turn a blind eye on America, agencies and task force efforts and even his pasts critics response!

 The Trump haters are barking up the wrong tree !

 

Several articles outlaying  timeframes regarding knowledge and lack of action by the administration published in NYTimes. Interesting reading. Google He could have seen what was coming. 

17 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Right, because most knowledgeable qualified intellectuals would have wanted Bob Mugabe to be a goodwill ambassador for the WHO. 

The trump would have called Mugabe some childish names, threatened to obliterate

Zimbabwe and then proclaimed him a great man and a leader he could do business with....

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

Several articles outlaying  timeframes regarding knowledge and lack of action by the administration published in NYTimes. Interesting reading. Google He could have seen what was coming. 

Several articles outlinng  timeframes regarding knowledge and lack of action by the administration published in NYTimes. Interesting reading. Google "He could have seen what was coming." 

(Corrected typo)