Thais in Pattaya forced to sell belongings to buy food

[FarFlungFalang]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I'm already feeding and providing for 4 Thais.

I think that's enough.

Do they often sound like Oliver Twist?I know mine do!

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, KhunFred said:

Amazing to watch a country destroy its own economy.

Wait 'til you see a whole planet do it,you ain't seen nuffin yet!Oh sorry you are watching a whole planet do it!Never a dull moment as they say!

[FarFlungFalang]

43 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said:

Thanks Captain Obvious. Only clueless newbies go (or rather, went) to walking street.

I object to that remark,I'm not a newbie!

[steven100]

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Porn, or pawn ?

pawn ...  lol

[rvaviator]

5 hours ago, mikosan said:

Quite the opposite, actually.  The 5000 baht is intended for those who DON'T have payslips. Itinerant workers and the like.

Unfortunately that is not happening ..... My GF know several small street vendors who have not received anything. some have now been told that they do not qualify as they have a 'business' .. i.e. a cart selling noodles ....  

[Fatman666]

4 hours ago, EvetsKram said:

The 5k a month is a farce,  most people don't qualify but I suppose like the Visa extensions it's all planned that way.  My wife had to close her business,  she gets nothing from this government

Same here my wife also closed business and not qualified. All her family members together 13 people include over 70 year old Pa a Mam nobody qualified.

[Sid Vicious]

If there is any city in the world that can bounce back from this it will be Pattaya. The best place on gods earth. The notion that the Chinese will buy all the bars is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Once this is over the tourists to Pattaya will be flooding back in their droves, nothing will ever stop the lure of cheap sex and good weather.

 

 

[steven100]

24 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Very sad, but from the photo, where is the social distancing???

I think social distancing is the last thing on their mind 

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, Sid Vicious said:

nothing will ever stop the lure of cheap sex and good weather.

eh ? i had no idea sex even had a price before i came to pattaya,

no one else anywhere else even came up with that theory

[FarFlungFalang]

11 minutes ago, steven100 said:

pawn ...  lol

Pawn to E4 your move!Watch out for the Sicilian!

[Sid Vicious]

2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

eh ? i had no idea sex even had a price before i came to pattaya,

People have been going to brasses since 24th century bc <deleted> are you taking the <deleted>?

[sezze]

IMHO , this was a accident waiting to happen . Most Thais live from hand to mouth , and if they got 1B more they spend it on lottery , booze and drugs . That 1 B also goes to payback of all sorts of loans of 1 or another . Never any sort of saving , while it was possible when they did have work . Sure the numbers weren't to go big but every Baht in the bank gives you a bit of reserve for when it does go bad . When they would have a couple of 1000 in the bank , they could still have their food , still struggling and prob still going to be in trouble since this is gonna take too long , but they certainly would be better off .

Problem i see in the longer run is that prob Farang are gonna be blamed and going to be in bad weather . Let's hope it doesn't happen , i do not talk about some facebook posts , but real crimes/aggression  , since if that happens , it is not going to be good for get the tourists back if they can come back .

[Ron jeremy]

9 hours ago, 19DL86 said:

That ll suit me, I m looking for a 2 year old SUV low Kms Everest, CRV, CX5 or such like. I ll guess another few weeks this situation will filter up the food chain.  Be lots of cheap properties another 3-6 months.

 

Fortune favors the brave, anyone holding cash will make a killing yet again.  Welcome to the "Money go Round"

Had a friend once who was down on his luck, started selling his possessions to survive, couldn't beleive his so called friends that took advantage of him, offering pennies to buy his belongings. 

Lowlifes taking advantage of people in need. 

[Ron jeremy]

7 hours ago, Kerryd said:

I think it will take awhile before tourism rebounds here, for the simple fact that half (or more) of the world's population is unemployed now. All the people who would have come there, or were planning to in the near future, are currently burning through their savings and what meagre stipends they can get from the government (if any).

When things finally get back to normal, one of the first things that will happen is gas and oil prices will skyrocket (they aren't stupid - they know demand will spike). People will start going back to work and are probably going to be more concerned about paying back owed money, replenishing savings and getting back to a normal life than they will about travelling anywhere.
Especially when fuel prices jump and airline tickets (naturally) jump as well.

Think about it. You've just gone through 3-4 (or more) months scraping by on potato soup and bread crusts (figuratively for some, literally for others). Things start getting back to normal. You go back to work.
Are you really going to walk into the boss's office the next day, ask for an advance and time off to go to Thailand for 2 weeks to party ? 

You are probably going to be working your butt off for the next year or more just to try and get back to where you were before the crisis.  Then you can start putting some money away and planning for a future trip.

I seriously doubt that if the crisis ended on 30 April or 15 May (for example) that a month later they'd be back to 3 million arrivals a month (or double that like the Tourism Minister predicted would happen after Songkran washed the virus away). 

 

We'll said, these idiots that think the hotels will have 100 percent occupancy a few weeks after it's over are not thinking clearly.

more on people's minds after spending their savings then coming back to the ghetto to bang whores. 

[HashBrownHarry]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I'm already feeding and providing for 4 Thais.

I think that's enough.

I assume these are your family members so you're doing nothing extra to help, why not just admit it?

 

 

[brokenbone]

23 minutes ago, Sid Vicious said:

People have been going to brasses since 24th century bc <deleted> are you taking the <deleted>?

it was entirely new to me

[Yadon Toploy]

3 minutes ago, Ron jeremy said:

We'll said, these idiots that think the hotels will have 100 percent occupancy a few weeks after it's over are not thinking clearly.

more on people's minds after spending their savings then coming back to the ghetto to bang whores. 

Not to mention they simply won't be able to come. The Thai government simply will not allow foreigners back in for a long time in case they bring the virus back with them. They certainly won't be open for business by June or July as some have suggested and even after that with conditions. 

 

It's over for the foreseeable, the sooner folk wrap their heads around that the better.

[Eibot]

4 hours ago, jacob29 said:

 

That would render the current lockdown completely pointless. Why would they just open up and rapidly ensure another lockdown is required?

 

They can't effectively test on arrival, as there are too many logistical issues sending someone back home. Never mind the tests aren't 100%, and if one person on the flight was infected, safe to assume others on the plane got infected as well. Then anyone who comes here, will almost certainly have to quarantine when getting back home. That largely eliminates your two week tourist, as they won't have another 2 weeks to quarantine when they get home.

 

The only way people are coming back in July, is if the lockdown is deemed impossible to maintain, and they're prepared to wear the human cost of infections climbing. Which fails by way of no longer being a 'safe' holiday destination. I see no easy way out of this.

Well, that depends why you are having a lock down. You do see that countries in Europe as losing the restrictions again as well right, or having none (Sweden).

 

If you want Covid-19 to disappear, that you need a total lock down, and keep your border close. You will need to keep the border close virtually until a vaccine is there, or the virus has diminished outside your border aswell. 

 

What many European countries are doing, is flatten the curve. Simply meaning, keeping the ICU from overflowing while the virus is spreading. In this scenario, the virus is still spreading. 

 

Thailand will 100% use a European model. It simply cannot sustain a complete lock down like China had in Wuhan. 

 

I don't believe the current lock down will be for "nothing". The situation that we have now, is that we don't have a problem currently in Thailand. Yes, we have Covid-19 and yes it's spreading, but the rate of which it's does is not alarming and therefore is not overwhelming the healthcare system. 

 

With controlled tourism, hopefully we can keep the spread at a similar level. This is unfortunately, the only way for countries that don't have much financial wiggle room. 

[19DL86]

Ron Jeremy:-

"Had a friend once who was down on his luck, started selling his possessions to survive, couldn't beleive his so called friends that took advantage of him, offering pennies to buy his belongings. 

Lowlifes taking advantage of people in need". 

 

Well well well....Sorry it's a bit late in the evening and a few too many glasses of red wine imbided.  But please tell. E when did I use the term "friends" in my pursuit for a very good value automobile?  

 

Those good folk folk of the city or at least in my Fifteen years in and out of Pattaya, 10 permenantly.  Never did I find a Thai friend that wasn't on the "meter", or paid in some way.  Sadly only a few Farangs that didn't have a hidden agenda either.

 

Let all who sails in her burn, the city is a sad testimony to greed, jealousy, low morality and corruption.  Sodom and Gomoreah of modern times.  I d happily see it burn in the hope on a pheonix rise from its ashes.

 

This is my thoughts of Pattaya only and not Thais or the country as a whole.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by 19DL86

[19DL86]

Ah....just played B.A.D "V thirteen", on the back of my Sodom n Gomorrah rant/quote. Mick Jones soo good man.  Seems only yesterday. 1986.

[torturedsole]

I too don't like the thought of people starving and LOS is still a poor country with almost zero social security.  I fear for the poor of Thailand more than I do the UK for that reason alone.  The Thai government shouldn't get too comfortable either as it won't take much for a re-evaluation of Thais tolerance of their leaders during this latest crisis.

 

I would also concur that Thai tourism is in terminal decline for some considerable time to come.  The strength of the Thai baht pre-C19 was bad enough for tourism but what's coming post-lockdown is cataclysmic for LOS.  

 

The 2008 credit crunch will seem like a walk in the park compared to what's coming after the planet re-emerges from lockdown.  

[jacob29]

21 minutes ago, Eibot said:

What many European countries are doing, is flatten the curve. Simply meaning, keeping the ICU from overflowing while the virus is spreading. In this scenario, the virus is still spreading. 

 

Thailand will 100% use a European model. It simply cannot sustain a complete lock down like China had in Wuhan. 

I am not sure tourist hotspots are in any way compatible with flattening the curve. You can't lockdown forever (or 24 months), but you can implement reduced social contact for extended periods. You can't in a tourist hotspot though, it goes against everything required to keep the rate of spread reduced. Unless they quarantine tourist zones to keep the rest of the country safe, but that isn't going to sound very appealing to tourists.

 

If Sweden has promising results, and you also get promising results from a densely populated region who decides to take a similar approach, I can see them easing tourist restrictions then. That's a lot of ifs, and will take more than a few months to play out.

[joecoolfrog]

10 hours ago, z42 said:

Terrible. Truly terrible that the system put in place to help the needy is proving to be simply unfit for purpose.

My gf and kids are lucky that I am living here and can help them. But she applied for the 5k baht the day it went online, still not a word.

 

Thai people deserve better than this.

Yep I know 5 people who registered and have heard zilch, the government showing its true colours.

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I believe you that my twisting and turning is not surprising would you be surprised if this administration was twisting and turning when they boast of being able to test 20,000 tests per day yet there are over 32,830 PUI's waiting endlessly to be test because the administration claims it's to expensive?If they were able to test 20,000 per day then 32,830 PUI's could be tested in 2 days.Yet they don't.Why?Is it because they don't want to because they have 2 trillion baht stashed away in unspent social security money they boasted about in another story today that could be diverted.32,830 PUI's are they all in hospital?Where are they hiding 32,830 PUI's?Wouldn't 32,830 PUI's in hospital cause the an overload in the Thai health system?No wonder you are not surprised by my twisting and turning as you readily accept this administration's twisting and turning and even praise them for doing it.There are 150 countries with less deaths and infection numbers that Thailand if you want to count them and they are the numbers that we have to go by.All the countries behind the US have less deaths so that's a pretty lame boast to make.

I signed less deaths and you are signing less infections and deaths in your reply. Is that to create confusion. When I say one of the countries with less deaths, I mean that there is no big difference between 0, 1, 10 or even under 100 people that dies. The problem is when 1000s of people start dying. Then a country has lost all control.

Thailand is a living proof on that their system is working, so there is nothing you can say that will change that.

 

When one are standing in front of reality, when only the stupid one will try to tell another story.

[yogi100]

4 hours ago, 19DL86 said:

   22 minutes ago,  stuandjulie said:

Charming.

 

There are always paracistes around

 

 

Well I ll give you a lesson, as it seems you need a few.  Before you start ridiculing and pontificating, throwing out insults.......learn to spell.  It's "parasite"!!

 

Secondly to you and all those others who seemed to take exception to my rather crude, but disposable remark.  Get your hands in your pockets and help these people out, if this is how you feel.  In the mean time I ll shop round for a car that is heavily discounted due to people losing their income.

 

Most of you sat there wringing your liberal socialist hands in dispair, might be the same folk who ripped another ass into those 2 Brits and their young family, who fell upon desperate time 2 weeks ago in Koh Pangang.

 

If you think all this is unfair or unjust - I ll show you that there's nothing fair to just in society.  A good part my income comes from two council properties I bought in the 1990s from the local authority, heavily discounted.  They cost me barely a years pay.  Today they're valued at nearly £500k. And earning me nearly £2000 a month leased out to the very same council who sold them to me, and have been for years.

 

I m not a parasite I am an astute businessman.  GET OVER IT.

The most distasteful and sickening qualities a man may possess are those of the braggart.

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

I fear for the poor of Thailand more than I do the UK for that reason alone.

I actually don't,

Loads of old people in the Uk freeze to death every year and there's a huge homeless problem.

Most Thais have access to a family farm, the ability to hunt and gather food, and the weather is never cold enough to kill.

[jacob29]

30 minutes ago, 19DL86 said:

Let all who sails in her burn, the city is a sad testimony to greed, jealousy, low morality and corruption.  Sodom and Gomoreah of modern times.  I d happily see it burn in the hope on a pheonix rise from its ashes.

 

It's so sinful, people by and large are actually following distancing measures for the greater good. Meanwhile in bible belt US, they're still congregating at church services, putting the entire community at risk. 

[19DL86]

5 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

The most distasteful and sickening qualities a man may possess are those of the braggart.

Their currency is accepted the World over.  Their qualities embraced here. The queues of young wannabes stretch round the block to be trained in their art.

 

 

[torturedsole]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I actually don't,

Loads of old people in the Uk freeze to death every year and there's a huge homeless problem.

Most Thais have access to a family farm, the ability to hunt and gather food, and the weather is never cold enough to kill.

This is different, BritManToo.  

 

I agree that the UK isn't without its own socio-economic problems but we still retain a social security system.  

 

The poor of LOS are in big trouble and I stand by my original assertion.   

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by torturedsole

[473geo]

One of the main obstacles that any incentive to travel cannot overcome is the personal holiday time available

 

Currently many companies are, as an economic assist, encouraging staff to use paid holiday time accrued for the first 6 months of the year. The alternative is possible layoffs which means most will be expected to comply. Also means when the upturn kicks in there will be staff available and little holiday time to cover up to year end.

 

That said, those on furlough will have holiday, but will have received for a period 80% of salary so perhaps not too promising on that front either.