Swimming pools at condos in Thailand to remain closed until further notice

[GAZZPA]

1 minute ago, The Barmbeker said:

Just to give one more stupid opinion, maybe:

we have a pool in the condo, that is approx. 25 x 8 meters

Maximum people I EVER saw inside the pool at any given time was 5

Most of them are solo- swimmers, like me or the occasional family (mother/ father & child)

There are exactly 2 sunbeds and 2 tables with 4 chairs as poo- furniture.

The pool is now closed for 2 month and we did not have one single case of COVID inside the Condo.

Elevators are still operating, with up to 6 people cramming into them

 

Put a\way the sunbeds and tables and the gathering and wild partying around the pool is reduced to ero!

Make a rule that not more than 5 people are allowed inside the pool and you have all the social distancing you need!

 

I understand the closing of saunas and gymns the opening of the pool would give people a means to exercize AND at least a bit to do against the total boredom, as long as everything else is closed down...except for all the markets (like JJ) were you shuffle through, sghoulder to shoulder and cough on the laid out fresh meat!

its a stupid rule that probably effects a disproportionate amount of farang. 

[The Barmbeker]

3 minutes ago, Blue Water Sailor said:

I dont know anybody that knows anybody that's died of this thing, have you seen an interview with anybody that has lost a family member or friend as a result of this, NO, There are hundreds of doctors and scientists that have come forward and testified that this thing is BS, WAKE UP

A friends family in Germany just lost their father!

Is that enough?

[Swimfan]

6 hours ago, SkyFax said:

Chlorine does not kill COVID on contact:

 

To effectively kill the virus, make sure the surface stays wet with the disinfectant for at least 10 minutes before wiping with a clean towel. If an EPA registered disinfectant is not available a 2% chlorine bleach solution can be used.

 

https://necsi.edu/coronavirus-guidelines-for-cleaning-and-disinfecting-to-prevent-covid-19-transmission

 

Chlorine in swimming pool water is measured in single digit parts per million.

 

.1 % is all that is required to kill the virus.

[Lacessit]

42 minutes ago, Ranshoko said:

Don't bother. Breeding ground for mosquito's 

BS. Mosquitos can't breed in a chlorinated pool.

[The Barmbeker]

2 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

its a stupid rule that probably effects a disproportionate amount of farang. 

In our condo it's actually many Asians using the pool for their daily exercize.

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Swift said:

well then, we'll give you a SPECIAL exemption, because you're so much smarter and more deserving than everyone else. OK, here's a news flash for YOU personally. The laws must apply to everyone. In my condo there are a great many people who swim under normal circumstances. It's the same in most large buildings like mine. It is wholly appropriate to consider most condo swimming pools to be a risky situation. Laws are written for the greater good. If exceptions were made there would be no point to having a society of laws. So what's "really crazy"? Your attitude. why don't you think of folks other than yourself, and stop whining. If you don't have covid you should be grateful that there are rules designed to protect YOU as well as everyone else. 

Rules are made for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men. A swimming pool with just 0.1 ppm free available chlorine is the safest haven against COVID-19 one could imagine. I can explain the full chemistry and the relative interactions of bacteria and viruses if you wish.

If the authorities could produce evidence swimming pools are responsible for COVID-19 clusters, they would have a point. Thus far, there is none.

Are you telling me we should obey every law, even stupid ones?

 

[Blue Water Sailor]

4 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

A friends family in Germany just lost their father!

Is that enough?

Was he healthy, did he have mitigating circumstances, I'm telling you every death cert is stating virus, the CDC has already stated, put Covid 19 on all death certs. Those of you that want to lay down and let them take everything from you that means anything, go ahead, THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF US THAT SAY GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH, IF ITS DEATH SO BE IT

[Russell17au]

18 minutes ago, Blue Water Sailor said:

I dont know anybody that knows anybody that's died of this thing, have you seen an interview with anybody that has lost a family member or friend as a result of this, NO, There are hundreds of doctors and scientists that have come forward and testified that this thing is BS, WAKE UP

Where is the link to varify your claim. If no link then your claim is all BS.

[Sumarianson]

6 hours ago, samtam said:

As I have explained several times, there is a misconception about [opening] condo pools. Most people, including those at CDC think of a pool more in terms of a social gathering venue. If you use the appropriately chlorinated pool only, with limited numbers, and prohibit social gathering round it, you have one of the safest spaces to avoid transmission of Covid 19. This protocol can easily be implemented by condo management, together with the requirement that users shower before and after swimming.

 

It's really that simple. To continue prohibition of condo pool usage for exercise is ridiculous, compared to what is being allowed to open...Chatuchak market (social distancing?)...beauty clinics and weight loss clinics (close person to person contact?)...foot massages (close person to person contact?)...outdoor stadiums for team sports, (no chance of saliva, sweat being dispersed there?)...

Will you stop talking sense, sheeple don't understand what thinking for themselves is for. They need to be told what is good or bad for them by some authority. I personally want a refund on my maintenance charge unless they can prove there was a need as there is no condyitutionsl law that compelled them to close and with only 55 people supposedly dead from COVID, it hardly constitutes a a pandemic or even an epidemic.

[Tropposurfer]

Being such an total, bitter, twisted, nutter In can't resist another tirade about this pol ban rubbish.

This lockdown has done what was left of my frail feeble brain in!

 

Simple regulation/rules by govt and enforced by management of condos in the simple form of telling people to not share the pool at the same time (unless with someone you cohabit with) is sufficient ... in my dumb whitey opinion to stop possible transmission.

In the case of public pools of course don't allow use of same for a while longer .... DER!

Practice social distancing on beaches and allow this environments natural sterilization process to take effect ...

It's so simple it beggars belief folks.

This same beach malarky stuff was prolonged way past its use-by-date in Australia, and the USA until the situation got so unpleasant, and people became revolting about it lol ... the pollies they reversed it.

Even beach bans in places akin to Thai conditions where there were few people per kilometre and vast numbers of wide open beaches to choose folks to visit they banned use of the beaches ... asinine! 

The benefits of vitamin uptake from the light spectrum for the immune system is clearly known, as are the benefits for psychological wellbeing. This second neurological fact also contribute markedly to immune system viability.

I live on an island where there are barely a few thousand falangs now, nowhere near enough to create crowding on beaches, especially if folks are forewarned and encouraged to social distance on the sand and not swim near others.

Maintain the ban on alcohol drinking in public places, singularly or in any sized group.

Keep the borders closed till June 1 ... then assess if needing to extend this.

Keep places like Phuket and other tourist hotspots restricted to incoming non-resident travellers.

Allow internal travel and monitor carefully, with all checks as being done.

Random test the population as an ongoing process for many months to come.

Open gyms with restricted, time-booked access - create individual workout zones (easy for staff to select out sections and simply tape off and guide clients to sections to use) so clients don't wander around the whole gym to workout and therefore reduce contact and possibility of transmission should someone be a carrier and non-asymptomatic. So easy 5th class kids could organise and manage!

 

If this makes any sense, then please cut n paste and send it to the idiots in BKK who make the decisions that affect us all. 

 

 

 

[Sumarianson]

39 minutes ago, John CS said:

Enforced madness, less than 3000 infected cases, 56 deaths in a population of 60million? restricting activities that strengthen personal immunity and wellbeing, decreasing social activity & increasing stress due to lack of employment, and then constant FEAR repetion from Media is weakening immunity to infection, this makes NO sense logically or scientifically other than just blind observance of illogical rules from already compromised authorities The WHO.

Still looking for some common sense amongst collective hysteria..

There are only 160 or so people in hospital, the rest are recovered. The test is 80% inaccurate and from what the President of Tanzania ( who is qualified to speak on the subject) has said the results may be 100% inaccurate.

[CaptainCarrot]

3 hours ago, n00dle said:

every condo i know of the pool remains full and filtration continues, none of them have drained the pools and pools are still maintained.

so where is the savings in that?

 

My condo management claim that they are instructed NOT to service the pool. Go figure.

[Sumarianson]

45 minutes ago, Charlie Jones 1957 said:

If you don't like it, bro, you're free to leave any time you want to. 

Actually no! He is not free to leave. There are no planes or they are at a premium. If you think people are free here, now then, you need to educate yourself in what an epidemic is for a start and work up to the serious stuff like pandemics where people are dropping dead, left, right, and centre of you as in the 2018 Spanish Flu. Have you been privy to a pandemic the more astute of us are not?

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, SkyFax said:

Enveloped viruses are easier to kill: SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the COVID-19 outbreak, is an enveloped virus and therefore the easiest to kill.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) states that a residual concentration of free chlorine of ≥0.5 mg/l in the pool water after at least 30 minutes of contact time at a pH <8.0 is sufficient to kill enveloped viruses like coronaviruses.

 

The main questions we’ve been asked are:

1. If my swimming pool is chlorinated according to current best practices and recommendations (Free Chlorine: 1-3ppm), is this sufficient to inactivate COVID-19 virus?

Yes, for a conventional swimming pool with good hydraulics and filtration, operating within its design bathing load, adequate water quality is achieved with a free chlorine level of ≥0.5-1.0ppm throughout the pool. Lower free chlorine concentrations (0.5 ppm or less) will be adequate when chlorine is used in combination with ozone or UV disinfection. 

 

https://www.zodiac.co.nz/are-pools-safe-during-covid-19

Well, we know how reliable WHO information has been during a pandemic. Subverted by the CCP.

Chlorine works by decomposing to form nascent oxygen, which oxidizes any organic compound it encounters. It's the surface proteins and carbohydrates of bacteria and viruses that get attacked. The organism is not necessarily killed, but it is deactivated. Complete destruction is then a function of time and chlorine concentration. Chlorine also forms chloramines by reacting with proteins on the surface of organisms, and they are disinfectants in their own right. They are measured by the Total Available Chlorine concentration. Saliva, urine etc. are also oxidized quite rapidly as dissolved organics.

Basic physical chemistry says the reaction between any solid and a liquid or gas becomes increasingly efficient with decreasing size of the solid. Bacteria are 10 - 20 times the size of most viruses, coronavirus is an average virus at 125 nm diameter.

My rather long-winded answer to your question is, at 1- 3 ppm FAC, your pool is a killing floor for COVID-19.

[Russell17au]

5 minutes ago, Sumarianson said:

Actually no! He is not free to leave. There are no planes or they are at a premium. If you think people are free here, now then, you need to educate yourself in what an epidemic is for a start and work up to the serious stuff like pandemics where people are dropping dead, left, right, and centre of you as in the 2018 Spanish Flu. Have you been privy to a pandemic the more astute of us are not?

Where was the 2018 Spanish Flu? At least if you want to state something at least state the correct information. The Spanish Flu was 1918.

Yes, he is free to leave on a repatriation flight at his own expense, he is not forced to stay here. It does not matter if they are at a premium fare, he is free to leave.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Russell17au

[TKDfella]

6 hours ago, samtam said:

As I have explained several times, there is a misconception about [opening] condo pools. Most people, including those at CDC think of a pool more in terms of a social gathering venue. If you use the appropriately chlorinated pool only, with limited numbers, and prohibit social gathering round it, you have one of the safest spaces to avoid transmission of Covid 19.This protocol can easily be implemented by condo management, together with the requirement that users shower before and after swimming.

It's really that simple. To continue prohibition of condo pool usage for exercise is ridiculous, compared to what is being allowed to open...Chatuchak market (social distancing?)...beauty clinics and weight loss clinics (close person to person contact?)...foot massages (close person to person contact?)...outdoor stadiums for team sports, (no chance of saliva, sweat being dispersed there?)...

But I think you answered right there '...This protocol can easily be implemented by condo management...' Who are the condo management?

[SkyFax]

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

My rather long-winded answer to your question is, at 1- 3 ppm FAC, your pool is a killing floor for COVID-19.

Thank you. I don't care. I hope my pool opens soon.

[michael888]

8 hours ago, Oldie said:

They cannot make a special law for your building. And people can gather in and around the pool and because being wet cannot use masks. Also some people lying in the sun will avoid to use masks so that not halve of their face will remain white. 

The sun kills the virus.  Limit numbers.  Dont't allow sunbathing or congregating.  Solved.  

[Caldera]

The swimming pools at each of the condos I've staid so far in Bangkok have always been two things: very nice and very empty! Too bad they aren't allowed to open the pool at my condo; I don't think it would be very risky.

 

[Kalasin Jo]

7 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

Thailand uses blunt instruments for every issue

Everywhere blunt instruments of a one size fits all kind are being used, not just Thailand

[Teee]

8 hours ago, ericdiam said:

Really crazy. My building has 25m long very wide pool. Only 3 people who live here long time swim.

And if the increase the chlorine then sure zero problem as chlorine kills the virus. 

Big busy public pools can understand they remain close 

Chlorine kills the virus?

Where is your source that tells the world that?

 

[Oldie]

5 minutes ago, michael888 said:

The sun kills the virus.  Limit numbers.  Dont't allow sunbathing or congregating.  Solved.  

It will not work. We have 2 pools and when the pools were still open and the rule was social distancing nobody cared. For sure not only at our condo. And so the pools got closed. Was the same with the alcohol ban.

 

Don't blame anybody but some idiots not caring about laws and regulations. The government had no other choice because of such "special" people. There are still many around. They still use the beach, don't use masks, drink hidden alcohol in the public and other things. They are to blame. 

[P100]

8 hours ago, ericdiam said:

Really crazy. My building has 25m long very wide pool. Only 3 people who live here long time swim.

And if the increase the chlorine then sure zero problem as chlorine kills the virus. 

Big busy public pools can understand they remain close 

Nonsese to keep pools closed. The huge amount of water mixed with a few viruses is not dangerous any more. And besides that, Chlorine kills bacteria and virises.

 

The only valid point is the queation of distancing in the pool and around the pool.

 

If they can make sure people keep distance it would be possible to safely reopen pools.

[GAZZPA]

1 hour ago, The Barmbeker said:

A friends family in Germany just lost their father!

Is that enough?

My oldest friend has lost 2 family members,,, My sister was very sick but thankfully pulled through after 5 weeks (2 in ICU) was her sickness BS? Is my friend lying to me about his loss?

 

He is a buffoon and insensitive to hundreds of thousands of grieving people who know very well it is not BS. He is the kind of idiot who has closed his mind to the possibility that he could be wrong and people like us are wasting their breath.

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

 

If the authorities could produce evidence swimming pools are responsible for COVID-19 clusters, they would have a point. Thus far, there is none.

er....swimming pools are closed.

Edited May 12, 2020 by josephbloggs

[joloit]

9 hours ago, Oldie said:

They cannot make a special law for your building. And people can gather in and around the pool and because being wet cannot use masks. Also some people lying in the sun will avoid to use masks so that not halve of their face will remain white. 

 

[samtam]

1 hour ago, TKDfella said:

But I think you answered right there '...This protocol can easily be implemented by condo management...' Who are the condo management?

Well, Savills plus myself and 3 other committee members.

[samtam]

2 hours ago, Sumarianson said:

Will you stop talking sense, sheeple don't understand what thinking for themselves is for. They need to be told what is good or bad for them by some authority. I personally want a refund on my maintenance charge unless they can prove there was a need as there is no condyitutionsl law that compelled them to close and with only 55 people supposedly dead from COVID, it hardly constitutes a a pandemic or even an epidemic.

AKA the law of Thailand????

Edited May 12, 2020 by samtam

[samtam]

49 minutes ago, Oldie said:

It will not work. We have 2 pools and when the pools were still open and the rule was social distancing nobody cared. For sure not only at our condo. And so the pools got closed. Was the same with the alcohol ban.

 

Don't blame anybody but some idiots not caring about laws and regulations. The government had no other choice because of such "special" people. There are still many around. They still use the beach, don't use masks, drink hidden alcohol in the public and other things. They are to blame. 

I'm sure this plays a huge part in it. Give an inch, (clear instructions), and they take a mile.

Anyway, within view from my balcony other condos have decided "sod this for a game of soldiers", and are opening their pool...and their gym. This will extend the ban for everyone else, unfortunately.

[ace1]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Well, we know how reliable WHO information has been during a pandemic. Subverted by the CCP.

Chlorine works by decomposing to form nascent oxygen, which oxidizes any organic compound it encounters. It's the surface proteins and carbohydrates of bacteria and viruses that get attacked. The organism is not necessarily killed, but it is deactivated. Complete destruction is then a function of time and chlorine concentration. Chlorine also forms chloramines by reacting with proteins on the surface of organisms, and they are disinfectants in their own right. They are measured by the Total Available Chlorine concentration. Saliva, urine etc. are also oxidized quite rapidly as dissolved organics.

Basic physical chemistry says the reaction between any solid and a liquid or gas becomes increasingly efficient with decreasing size of the solid. Bacteria are 10 - 20 times the size of most viruses, coronavirus is an average virus at 125 nm diameter.

My rather long-winded answer to your question is, at 1- 3 ppm FAC, your pool is a killing floor for COVID-19.

Ummm No.
There are many factors that go into making a healthy swimming pool beyond chlorine. So what percentage of  chlorine is active as OCI or NOCI at PH 7.0 or at 7.8, and which is the most effective pathogen killer, get googling ! How do other chemical levels affect this ? Indeed, is it outdoors or indoors...eek ? 
But as has been proved by a study in the UK, a correctly maintained pool will kill Covid effectively and is one of the safest places to socialise, with common sense of course. 
Let's hope Thais finally see sense on pool usage