Trump says he doesn't want to talk to Xi right now, could even cut China ties

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Well that is the defeatist stance, thank you for illustrating it so well. Another take on the situation would be for America to finally enter discussions from a position of strength. When China's pips are squeaking they will be sitting eagerly at the table, gagging for some crumbs from Donald's plate. That is where we want them. Yes, it would be easy to continue 44's route of just appeasing every other nation at our own expense. That is the cowards way out. Kick the can down the road.

 I want to see the USA and freedom triumph in this battle, others want to see a totalitarian regime win, and do all they can to wreck the USA to try proving their point.  

There is nothing 'defeatist' about pointing out facts and the consequences of your ridiculous suggestions.

Nothing is the black and white all trump fans love; America good, China bad and there is nothing cowardly about wanting to find a solution to a problem that doesn't include a worldwide financial meltown and/or armageddon.   

And could you all just stop with the most obvious of straw man arguments; that a criticism of Trump is an endorsement of China. Not one single person on this thread has condoned China despite your contunual push for this narrative. 

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

US is not in a position of strength.

The world knows how to handle 45, appealing to his painful insecurity and Narcissism. Saudi won him over on his first visit there merely by projecting his image (a very old photo, too) on to some buildings seen from the airport-to-hotel ride. Xi (President Eleven as 45 calls him when 45 wants to show off his Putonghua prowess, LOL) gave him insincere praise, but 45 bought it. Hence, Xi got praise in January for his 'transparency and excellent handling of CV-19'.

 

The one who hosed him worst of all, however, was Kim Jong-un. The whole world saw that and will act accordingly. Kim sent 'beautiful love letters', and as a result got the US to halt joint military exercises with South Korea, got plenty of propaganda tapes to show his people, got 45 to actually salute a DPRK General, and was able to do the following:

 

-up his enrichment of U-235

-build and test solid fuel rockets

-improve and build a new factory for producing his Hwasong ICBMs that can reach Washington, DC

-build more than a dozen new atomic bombs

-learn to miniaturize atomic bombs so they can be mounted on Hwasong ICBMs

-move to testing his nukes via supercomputer, exactly how the US tests

 

All it took was telling 45 how great 45 wants everyone to think he is.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't see any leader in any country that's better ...............

To name just a few, know of any charities Merkel and Macron stole from? Or how they're employing illegals? Even your own Boris doesn't lie as much as Trump.

[charmonman]

If he cuts trade ties with China there will be a sudden shortage of MAGA hats. On the other hand demand will soon be plummeting now that even more Americans are seeing how they handed the Presidency of their country over to a fat old man with the mind of a petulant 8 year old.

[johnnybangkok]

8 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Its like people don't remember the previous 8 years prior to Trump that led to the election of Trump. 

Trump only got elected because 4 million Americans who had previoulsy voted for Obama thought Hilary was such a shoo-in they didn't need to vote.

I have a very funny feeling they won't be making that mistake again come November.

[BritManToo]

Just now, stevenl said:

To name just a few, know of any charities Merkel and Macron stole from? Or how they're employing illegals? Even your own Boris doesn't lie as much as Trump.

There are detail variations across the world, but the morality and criminality are roughly the same.

If you can't see that, you're not worth discussion.

[BritManToo]

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

Trump only got elected because 4 million Americans who had previoulsy voted for Obama thought Hilary was such a shoo-in they didn't need to vote.

I have a very funny feeling they won't be making that mistake again come November.

The problem was never Trump ....... it was always Hillary.

Trump just happened to be sitting in the right chair when everyone protest voted against Hillary.

Almost anyone else standing would have beaten Hillary.

 

To beat Trump you'd need to present a candidate that seemed less bonkers than the usual bunch.

Edited May 15, 2020 by BritManToo

[charmonman]

21 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Its like people don't remember the previous 8 years prior to Trump that led to the election of Trump. 

You mean like how the economy recovered from the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression? Or how the annual deficit was reduced to half of what it became within a year of Trump taking office? Seems to me it was pretty good, comparatively.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

There are detail variations across the world, but the morality and criminality are roughly the same.

If you can't see that, you're not worth discussion.

Agree, anyone who claims morality of Trump is on par with that of Merkel and Macron is not worth the discussion.

[johnnybangkok]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

There are detail variations across the world, but the morality and criminality are roughly the same.

If you can't see that, you're not worth discussion.

Really? Merkel and Macron have the same 'morality and criminality' as Trump? 

Really?................................................................ Really? 

[TopDeadSenter]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Agree, anyone who claims morality of Trump is on par with that of Merkel and Macron is not worth the discussion.

Trump is the only leader out of the 3 mentioned to be doing his job. That is improving the lives of his countrymen. Trump, no doubt, is only trying to make America great again. Merkel and Macron are doing all they can to win prizes and acolytes from the left, to the cost of France and Germany's traditional inhabitants. They preside over complete losses of freedom of speech(and thought), increasingly totalitarian states, and set the inevitable course of the breakup of the EU with their overbearing desire to control the continent. 

 History will show Trump was the most moral.

[Silencer]

I've come full circle on the usefulness of Trump. 4 years ago he was a boorish idiot, no class wannabe, childish crybaby, self-centered and only really cared about his own legacy and helping himself and his friends financially. He has hardly moved the bar from that assessment 4 years later BUT I think he was needed to shine the light on China. Although Trump's torch was economic, COVID-19 has given him another torch (the Uighur camps never took hold as another torch) and even the emergence of Taiwan as a COVID-19 world-beater can be used. Just as Reagan served a useful foil vs the Soviet Union, Trump provides a useful role as highlighting many of the unfair and authoritarian issues underlying the CCP and their dealings around the world. He may have campaigned on the MAGA theme, with a focus on the southern border, but in reality his achievement might be in uniting the West (and other countries) to take a more critical stance against China and not just kowtow to its economic weight. How this will play out in the next decade or two, will be fascinating to watch. Prior to Trump...everyone was just marching along to a growing China, Belt and Road, South China Sea, economic bullying, expansionist tendencies, etc....maybe Trump has applied some brakes, which could be his real legacy.

[Opl]

Just now, TopDeadSenter said:

Trump is the only leader out of the 3 mentioned to be doing his job. That is improving the lives of his countrymen. Trump, no doubt, is only trying to make America great again. Merkel and Macron are doing all they can to win prizes and acolytes from the left, to the cost of France and Germany's traditional inhabitants. They preside over complete losses of freedom of speech(and thought), increasingly totalitarian states, and set the inevitable course of the breakup of the EU with their overbearing desire to control the continent. 

 History will show Trump was the most moral.

from "hoax" to "pandemic", from denial to self-congratulation, "wartime president" taking "no responsibility" ... Trump's sense of morality  

[J Town]

19 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Trump only got elected because 4 million Americans who had previously voted for Obama thought Hilary was such a shoo-in they didn't need to vote.

Not at ALL true. Hillary was one of the most hated candidates ever. The unfortunate side effect of retirement is time to research candidates like her. She was one of the original architects of TPP, the ONE thing Trump got right to avoid (even though for the wrong reasons). Roughly 43% of valid voters didn't vote cuz they couldn't waste their time on a choice between a sh*t taco and a douche (South Park reference) and we got the same situation all over again.

[J Town]

8 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 History will show Trump was the most moral.

C'mon - even you can't think that's right.  He has cheated on every one of his wives, he has lied more than any president in history, he has covered up hush money paid to porn stars - the list goes on. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze!

[Isaan sailor]

2 hours ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Trump has Huawei and ZTE phones banned, as these companies are partially owned by the Chinese govt, and thus he claims their stuff to all be spying on us.

 

Yet he seems to forget they also make iPhones, and 99% of the junk in Walmart, which could easily be doing the same.

A bit of a difference there.  Although iPhones assembled in China (by a combined full and part time workforce of 250,000), Apple is an American company, who will not take orders from Xi—if pressured.

[rudi49jr]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump says he doesn't want to talk to Xi right now, could even cut China ties

But maybe tomorrow he will be in a better mood, do a 180 and he will want to be best buds with Xi and sign a friendship pact. You never know with this guy.

[Walker88]

47 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Its like people don't remember the previous 8 years prior to Trump that led to the election of Trump. 

Obviously you don't remember.

 

Let me refresh your memory:

 

The entire world's financial and insurance systems were on the brink of total collapse in 2009.  That is what President Obama inherited. It was imperative to restore confidence in the system, lest a total Mad Max world was in the offing.

 

-Obama forced US banks to recapitalize, issue new equity, shed bad debts, and slash leverage to 10:1 from upwards of 40:1 in some banks

-Bailed out the insurance industry, whose collapse would have, inter alia, halted all flights, all trains, all delivery trucks, all sea shipping, as no one would take the risk of losing expensive assets that were uninsured.

-Saved the money market industry

-Saved the Commercial Paper market

-Saved the auto industry

 

Under Obama Unemployment fell from a high of 10.4% to 4.8% (BTW, US UE now is 28.5%). The S&P500 rose from a low of 666 to 2200, dwarfing 45's market, even before it crashed.

 

Had Obama not acted as he had, your bank and all your money (if you have any) would have disappeared. Grocery stores would have had empty shelves.

 

Oh, and Obama also stopped the Ebola virus dead in its tracks by deploying his Pandemic Response Team, both inside the US and by sending troops and medical personnel to Africa to address the virus there. He left the Playbook (Entitled "Playbook for Addressing Pandemics") to the incoming Administration, which promptly tossed it, and now claims---with McConnell's lies, that it didn't exist---well, now they admit they lied and it did exist, but "Ours is better"...85,000 CV-19 deaths so far argues otherwise).

 

Obama, via the 103-page comprehensive JCPOA compeltely took Iran out of the nuke game, and laid the framework for ongoing agreements to reign in Iran's support for Shi'a terror groups. Because it was great and Obama achieved it, 45 abrogated it, so that Iran is back enriching U-235.

 

The US was respected in the world under Obama. Under 45 it has become a joke, a laughing stock or an object of pity.

 

(For the poster whose knee-jerk reaction is to "laugh" at my fact-filled posts, your inadequacy is readily apparent because you cannot refute a single point I make.)

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Walker88
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[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Agreed. But only because the opposition to Trump is championing China and bashing America. Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer and all MSM are acting as best they can to sow weakness and division. Norwegians know about these sorts of people, they call them quislings I believe. 

Just did a quick Google search about Trump's popularity in Norway since you claim "Norwegians know about these sorts of people....":

 

'TRUMP MAY LOVE NORWAY, BUT NORWEGIANS CAN'T STAND THE U.S. PRESIDENT, SAY HE'S A 'THREAT TO WORLD PEACE''

 

Seems the Norwegians are a sensible people.

[Russell17au]

34 minutes ago, charmonman said:

If he cuts trade ties with China there will be a sudden shortage of MAGA hats. On the other hand demand will soon be plummeting now that even more Americans are seeing how they handed the Presidency of their country over to a fat old man with the mind of a petulant 8 year old.

He will be able to buy a new hand bag from his daughter Ivanka collection which was made in China the same as her shoes that she sells to Americans.

[Pedrogaz]

Xi is making mistake after mistake with his dealings with Trump. Trump is a bully and will back down if challenged. China is always on the back foot reacting to whatever is the accusation du jour. He needs to take the initiative....withdraw licences from US tech firms, fast fast food outlets and Pespi/Coke. Scrap the Phase 1 deal. Stop exporting rare earths to the US, veto all US Security council resolutions. Introduce sanctions over Israel's annexation of the West Bank....fine any firm that deals with Israel firm or any firms located in China that do so.....multibillion dollar fines for FaceBook, Twitter etc if they allow Israeli posts etc etc. Start hacking for real.....you are accused of it so why not do it?

Trump will blink before the election as he sees support fade away.....the US cannot reorganise its whole global supply chain by November.....so the pain will be felt early.

 

[johnnybangkok]

17 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Trump is the only leader out of the 3 mentioned to be doing his job. That is improving the lives of his countrymen. Trump, no doubt, is only trying to make America great again. Merkel and Macron are doing all they can to win prizes and acolytes from the left, to the cost of France and Germany's traditional inhabitants. They preside over complete losses of freedom of speech(and thought), increasingly totalitarian states, and set the inevitable course of the breakup of the EU with their overbearing desire to control the continent. 

 History will show Trump was the most moral.

'to the cost of France and Germany's traditional inhabitants.' - and there we have it.

[johnnybangkok]

5 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

He doesn't even take a salary. His bedroom antics are his own business providing he only touches adults, and there is no suggestion otherwise. He is standing up for his country against tyrannical regimes worldwide. How can you say he is immoral?

 

 Mr Xi would love to read this thread. Hooray for the Chinese communist party and their American supporters.

'He is standing up for his country against tyrannical regimes worldwide' - Apart of course from Russia and North Korea. Obviously they don't count.

[Phoenix Rising]

5 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

He doesn't even take a salary. His bedroom antics are his own business providing he only touches adults, and there is no suggestion otherwise. He is standing up for his country against tyrannical regimes worldwide. How can you say he is immoral?

 

 Mr Xi would love to read this thread. Hooray for the Chinese communist party and their American supporters.

Your hyperbole is boring. You and your fellow Trump loyalists are obviously completely incapable of separating critique of Trump from support of Xi as not one poster has expressed any form of support for him.

So put up (prove me wrong) or shut up.

[Phoenix Rising]

55 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't see any leader in any country that's better ...............

 

EDIT: I confused two people,

But I'm not claiming Trump is a great leader, I'm just saying all the rest are complete scum-bags too.

No, they're not.

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, scorecard said:

Yep and the good old USA should have stopped the several US giant corporations selling clothing, shoes and other products made by children. They didn't.

Trump is still using Chinese factories.

[Mavideol]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

"This president once suggested COVID-19 patients inject disinfectants," Hu said on Twitter. "Remember this and you won't be surprised when he said he could cut off the whole relationship with China."

this and the impeachment will always be following him for the remaining of his life..... what a legacy

[Mama Noodle]

15 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

(For the poster whose knee-jerk reaction is to "laugh" at my fact-filled posts, your inadequacy is readily apparent because you cannot refute a single point I make.)

 

Man people laugh at your posts not because they are 'fact filled' but because you have these giant meltdowns full of non-facts, opinion, and strawmen. 

 

But going with the pandemic theme:

 

16 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Oh, and Obama also stopped the Ebola virus dead in its tracks

 

Ebola is incomparable to coronavirus. Its apples and oranges. Obama didn't stop sh*t. The virus was killing people in Africa until a vaccine was developed, and the virus itself does not have the legs to be a global pandemic. Saying that Obama stopped Ebola is preposterous. 

 

Love to know your feelings about how Obama stopped N1H1 dead in its tracks too ????

 

Much like the rest of your post, everything you listed is not fact filled at all. 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

It's just pathetic to see the numbers of posters who hate Trump to the point they support the Commie Xi. 

I have to agree here, I do not like Trump but it is obvious where this began and who is responsible for it. China has not been nearly transparent enough about the evolution of the pandemic (Patient 0 information access) and the numbers effected (flat out liars about their death rate). I believe the spread of the virus was SOMEWHAT (not totally) out of their control just based on how many are asymptomatic carriers and have been undetected (especially in the beginning) however, China dropped the ball in regards to distributing the scientific information that they HAD to have had that could have helped the rest of the world, the question why did they drop the ball...obviously questions the world as a whole will demand answers for.

[Heppinger]

14 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Ebola is incomparable to coronavirus. Its apples and oranges. 

Not exactly, Coronaviruses are a group of RNA viruses (Ribonucleic Acid). Ebola is a VHF (Viral Hemoorrhagic Fever) that can be caused by RNA's

Unless of course oranges can turn into apples.