Tears and heartbreak as flight ban keeps farang-Thai families apart

[Ayemanomad]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt the freedom we previously had to move between countries will ever come back.

I agree 100%.

[BritManToo]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

If the shoe fits. I judge because I wouldn't stoop so low as to be unfaithful to a wife that I love and care about. The worst way you can hurt someone is to cheat on them. That is a very disturbed mind at work. If you don't want to be with someone because they have hurt you in some way, leave.

What if they don't mind?

[Don Mega]

3 minutes ago, newcomer71 said:

Test + Quarantine is not enough for you to be deemed safe? 
 

What is the success rate for the test when someone is asymptomatic ?

[BritManToo]

Just now, SiSePuede419 said:

Oh, maybe they should think about what it's like to have a loved one in a hospital dying from Coronavirus that they can't visit.

Do you know anyone in hospital with COVID?

Me neither!

[JackThompson]

11 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Quarantine is not 100% effective though, an article I read earlier mentioned 97%.

 

If thats the case then of those 5000 people 150 will possible head out into the community and spread the virus.

 

Do you seriously think this is an acceptable risk just because old matey has not been able to give his kids cuddle ?

Are 3% "escaping" covid-positives?  Or are is your article about "self-quarantine," which is not what I suggested?  How would the 150 escape - by ropes from the hotel windows?  Put them on a high-floor, if that's the concern - plenty available.

 

  

2 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

What is the success rate for the test when someone is asymptomatic ?

After 2 weeks in quantine, there is really not even a reason to test - but just to make those few with pre-existing medical conditions that put them at risk feel safe, could do it anyway.

Edited May 23, 2020 by JackThompson

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

What if they don't mind?

Then why be married? Just date and screw everything you can get your hands on. There are always people who have casual sex, not caring about diseases, or the fatherless children they might create.

Edited May 23, 2020 by fredwiggy

[newcomer71]

2 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

What is the success rate for the test when someone is asymptomatic ?

Are you serious?

[BeltAndRoad]

2 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

What is the success rate for the test when someone is asymptomatic ?

The results are the same.

[BritManToo]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Then why be married? Just date and screw everything you can get your hands on. There are always people who have casual sex, not caring about diseases.

To help look after and raise my children, and get a VISA.

(one mine, one donated)

Children need two parents.

[Traubert]

2 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

And there is NO risk from Thai Nationals?

 

How about Thai Nationals coming from China?

Landed yesterday I believe.

[sahibji]

this is a worldwide phenomenon. those impacted by this corona virus outcome have to remain strong and brave the situation. this is the price humanity pays some times.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

To help look after and raise my children, and get a VISA.

(one mine, one donated)

Children need two parents.

yes, faithful ones so they can teach them morals.

[Don Mega]

3 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Are 3% "escaping" covid-positives?  Or are is your article about "self-quarantine," which is not what I suggested?  How would the 150 escape - by ropes from the hotel windows?  Put them on a high-floor, if that's the concern - plenty available.

where did I say they escaped ?

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

Allowing non Thai nationals to enter increases the risk of the WuFlu spreading, sucks to be them but it is what it is and I appreciate Thailand's (and the other countries with similar/same policies) hard stance on this.

 

Some thing wrong with your logical thought process. The virus isn't picky about affecting different nationalities. There is no medical reason to distinguish between in coming people based on nationality. However, some places have bigger issues at the moment with this virus so place of departure could be important.

 

The decisions are based on political considerations. No government wants to try and stop its own nationals from coming back to their own country. Understandable. Many governments are banning non nationals, migrant workers, tourists etc from entering as a safety measure. Understandable where large numbers of people from at risk countries could be involved.

 

However, that leaves a relatively small group of non Thai nationals who live with their Thai spouse and family in Thailand. Some may also work here, some own businesses, some are retired. This small group, many of whom have resided here for a long time are keen to return to their families. It would not be outrageous to allow that, providing they all agree to be tested and if covid 19 free still go into 14 day quarantine at a prescribed hotel. The issue is if they are then tested positive during the 14 days, in which case they must either have health insurance or the funds to pay for hospital treatment. 

 

The easy option, which is being taken, is to simply ban them from entering. Regardless of the effect on the family.

[jimn]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

A foreigner allowed entry that has the WuFlu goes onto infect 10 other people..... Yeah I have compassion for those innocently infected.

You obviously do not understand the very strict quarantine that repatriated Thai's have to go into. It cannot be bought out of for a bribe as you suggested. It is strictly controlled so your arguement of infecting other people does not stack up.

[bbi1]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Then why be married? Just date and screw everything you can get your hands on.

Ever heard of happily married people "swinging"? There's a thing called that. Look it up. It's called being "swingers"

Edited May 23, 2020 by bbi1

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There was a thread somewhere (on this forum where someone) mentioned a 20min Covid-19 test.

 

That would pretty much solve any of the issues over night once distribution was available.

It's available in the USA now - the "Abbot Labs" test - with others in the pipeline down to 5 minutes.  I don't know the cost, but the airlines have been saying they will test everyone pre-flight.  Add a quarantine of just a few days, then a 2nd test - in case they just caught it pre-flight - and the risk is eliminated.

[Traubert]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There was a thread somewhere (on this forum where someone) mentioned a 20min Covid-19 test.

 

That would pretty much solve any of the issues over night once distribution was available.

In trials. Takes 6 weeks currently.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, bbi1 said:

They should've thought about and given a stuff about their "loving families" then, instead of being overseas during a WORLDWIDE DEADLY VIRUS SITUATION and not been in "prolonged separation of their loving families" chasing the all mighty dollar, when they had OVER 3 MONTHS to be with their families when the borders were all open worldwide.

They did give a stuff about their families as they were working to take care of them. The almighty dollar is necessary to live. Some people came here and found love, but had to go back home to work. They didn't want to lose that love, so keep coming back until they are retired to take care of them,and send them money while they are away, making that money to send. There are those that stay in their countries and go back and forth just to have sex with their Thai wives or girlfriends and have no intention of moving here to stay. Some of those likely have girlfriends or wives back home, so they want their cake .............., but we're talking here about those that want to be with the ones they love, and NEED to work so their families won't be without the necessities.

[phutoie2]

9 minutes ago, TheAceFace said:

Richard, dont rise to the bait mate, your replies have all been appreciated. I too am in the same boat as you, been away for a while now.....because needs must to support my family, its us guys who break our balls to be able to lead a good life, dont let some strangers on this forum get to you. Some people have nothing better to do. One day they will reap what they sow. Stay safe mate and im sure you will be with your family soon, as I will. Keep safe.

well maybe you, Richard and others should have looked at the implications of marrying a foreigner and basing yourselves in a foreign country more closely. 

Thailand is not the west, its values and versions of democracy are just not the same. its monarchy, religion, people here, that's Thai people, just look how they treat the Rohingya refugees.

When the rioting was getting out of hand in Bangkok, the red/yellow shirts, the head of the military, one Prayut Chan-o-cha said he would close the country- everything, closed.

 

[fredwiggy]

It can take just a few hours. It all depends on how many people are being testes in that locale. .................https://www.cnet.com/health/coronavirus-test-how-long-will-it-take-to-get-my-covid-19-results/

[Don Mega]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Some thing wrong with your logical thought process. The virus isn't picky about affecting different nationalities. There is no medical reason to distinguish between in coming people based on nationality. However, some places have bigger issues at the moment with this virus so place of departure could be important.

 

The decisions are based on political considerations. No government wants to try and stop its own nationals from coming back to their own country. Understandable. Many governments are banning non nationals, migrant workers, tourists etc from entering as a safety measure. Understandable where large numbers of people from at risk countries could be involved.

 

However, that leaves a relatively small group of non Thai nationals who live with their Thai spouse and family in Thailand. Some may also work here, some own businesses, some are retired. This small group, many of whom have resided here for a long time are keen to return to their families. It would not be outrageous to allow that, providing they all agree to be tested and if covid 19 free still go into 14 day quarantine at a prescribed hotel. The issue is if they are then tested positive during the 14 days, in which case they must either have health insurance or the funds to pay for hospital treatment. 

 

The easy option, which is being taken, is to simply ban them from entering. Regardless of the effect on the family.

Where did I say they virus discriminates ?

 

 

 

[Don Mega]

15 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:

The results are the same.

So still a possibility of a false negative then.

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

you know we all have the option to leave, right?

 

i dislikes the majority of thai people perhaps more than most and just ignore them and have very little to do with them but moaning about it will achieve nothing, it is not going to change anything so what's the point?

Then .... why come/stay here?  I have encountered exactly 2 "ordinary" Thais who were rude bigots in YEARS here, other than corrupt Immigration personnel, who use rudeness as an economic-tactic.   Given the CCP's well-funded anti-farang media barrage here, this demonstrates a significant inherent-resistance to bigot-hate tendencies.

 

I work with Thais every day.  They are generally very nice, polite people.  I encountered a significantly higher percentage of genuine (explitives) in my passport-country, on a regular basis, than here.  That said, in my experience, most "ordinary working people" everywhere are good people, who seek to harm no one.

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

A little WuFlu goes a long way too...I'd prefer me or my family don't die from it.

Understandable. However, with a 97% recovery rate, this seems melodramatic, unless you or your family are high risk, there are plenty of other things far more worthy of your concern, in Thailand.

 

 

[Nanaplaza666]

4 hours ago, Don Mega said:

You seriously think they should also ban Thai Nationals from returning home ?

I think your on the alcohol a little to long Don Mega you don't make any sence at all . This guy is seriously worried about returning to his family and this is a serious matter . Doesn't seem you understand the least bit of the whole story otherwise you wouldn't have commented like this twice .

[Odysseus123]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt the freedom we previously had to move between countries will ever come back.

Now..that is quite possible.

 

The old 2019 world (which everyone complained about because it was always about "me") may never come back.

 

After all-you could hop on a plane back then whilst carrying the Bubonic Plague and no-one would bat an eyelid as personal responsibility was at a discount..

[Millcx]

4 hours ago, Don Mega said:

I'd prefer they stay locked out than risk importing the wuFlu.

And what difference is the returning Thais .. they are put into quarantine .. No difference .. If these family members are prepared for the 14 day then they should 100% be allowed back to their families .. your post is of a lonely person that needs to get out more

[fittobethaied]

"For Jaco Willem Kotze, the reason for separation was different. He and his wife and daughter left Thailand for a holiday in South Africa on February 25. However, when they returned on March 25 – he with all his documents attested by the Thai Embassy in Pretoria – officials at the airport forced him to return to South Africa because no foreigners were allowed to enter Thailand despite having a long-stay visa and marriage certificate". 

 

I can almost understand the Thai government's concern for allowing foreigners on long-stay visas back in the country who left Thailand on their own before the lockdown, and they should be treated just like the Thais who are outside the country and are now being allowed to return. However, the situation of denying a foreigner entry when he returned from South Africa with his entire family is totally ridiculous. This is just another example of Thai officials misinterpreting the regulations and putting their own twist on things, some being influenced by their racist attitude towards foreigners, and being totally unable to use critical thinking. In situations like this, mercy and compassion should take priority over regulations and prejudice, but unfortunately many Thai officials have a huge problem using their brains, let alone their hearts, to guide them. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by fittobethaied

[Ayemanomad]

9 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Then .... why come/stay here?  I have encountered exactly 2 "ordinary" Thais who were rude bigots in YEARS here, other than corrupt Immigration personnel, who use rudeness as an economic-tactic.   Given the CCP's well-funded anti-farang media barrage here, this demonstrates a significant inherent-resistance to bigot-hate tendencies.

 

I work with Thais every day.  They are generally very nice, polite people.  I encountered a significantly higher percentage of genuine (explitives) in my passport-country, on a regular basis, than here.  That said, in my experience, most "ordinary working people" everywhere are good people, who seek to harm no one.

Hear hear!