British minister says 'move on' from rage over PM adviser Cummings' road trip

[7by7]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

So what, you are more interested in burying Tory's because you haven't got over a couple of big losses. 

 

No, I am asking @Loiner why he is demanding a Labour MP resigns as an MP for breaking the lockdown but has not made the same demand of a Tory Cabinet Minister.

 

Duffield resigned as a Labour whip; should Jenrick resign as a minister?

 

Should both resign as MPs, or neither?

[Loiner]

25 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

She has resigned as a party whip; fact. She has also apologised; fact.

 

Cummings has not resigned from anything; fact. He has not apologised; fact.

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He hasn't even resigned as a minister, let alone as an MP!

She is still an MP who hasn’t resigned; fact. 

He isn’t even a politician and is not answerable to the public or the press; fact.

He doesn't need to apologise to anybody (out of his own circle), or to resign; fact.

Edited May 31, 2020 by Loiner

[StreetCowboy]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No, I am asking @Loiner why he is demanding a Labour MP resigns as an MP for breaking the lockdown but has not made the same demand of a Tory Cabinet Minister.

 

Duffield resigned as a Labour whip; should Jenrick resign as a minister?

 

Should both resign as MPs, or neither?

Cummings is a rented friend, not an elected MP; he’s Johnson’s Jimmy Five-bellies.  My question is why has he not been arrested and jailed?  The police and magistrates should not be kow-towing to the government.

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No, I am asking @Loiner why he is demanding a Labour MP resigns as an MP for breaking the lockdown but has not made the same demand of a Tory Cabinet Minister.

 

Duffield resigned as a Labour whip; should Jenrick resign as a minister?

 

Should both resign as MPs, or neither?

I haven’t demanded anybody resign. I’m not all that bovvered about breaking lockdown. 

Happy to correct your misdirection in claims she resigned, when she hasn’t; fact. 

[7by7]

13 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Cummings is neither a minister or an MP. Firing him at the behest of an MSM/Rejoiner lead lynch mob without due legal process would inevitably end in successful prosecution at an employment tribunal.

Well, Sonia Khan is widely expected to win her claim of unfair dismissal after Cummings took it upon himself to seize her pass and have her frogmarched out of Downing Street by armed police officers. Without, by the way, any reference to her boss, the then Chancellor.

 

But the cases are not the same. If Johnson does ever grow a pair and fire Cummings it will be for justifiable reasons, lying for starters, not at the behest of any MSM conspiracy dreamed up by you and others.

[CG1 Blue]

22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

But that isn't what happened, 43.6% voted Tory, so they did not receive the majority of votes. 

And 43.6% is the largest share of the vote any party has had since 1979. It was a massive victory no matter how you choose to interpret the numbers.  

[7by7]

 

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I haven’t demanded anybody resign. I’m not all that bovvered about breaking lockdown. 

Happy to correct your misdirection in claims she resigned, when she hasn’t; fact. 

Ok, I'll ignore posts like 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

More pedantry. She hasn't really resigned has she?

Can't you twist this with percentages somehow?  "She has reigned, not 100% but a majority resignation percentage."

and

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

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She is still an MP who hasn’t resigned; fact. 

and ask you the same questions I asked @transam.

 

Duffield resigned as a Labour whip; should Jenrick resign as a minister?

 

Should both resign as MPs, or neither?

 

 

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

But that isn't what happened, 43.6% voted Tory, so they did not receive the majority of votes. 

And 43.6% is the largest share of the vote any party has had since 1979. It was a massive victory no matter how you choose to interpret the numbers. 

But only 0.4% less than Labour in 1997, 1.2% less than the Conservatives in 2017.

 

However, it is not, as he claimed, the majority of the electorate. It's not even the majority of those who voted.

[CG1 Blue]

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

But only 0.4% less than Labour in 1997, 1.2% less than the Conservatives in 2017.

 

However, it is not, as he claimed, the majority of the electorate. It's not even the majority of those who voted.

The fact you're still in denial about the Tory landslide victory in 2019 says a lot about your modus operandi. I have some sympathy for people who criticise the government, or are fixated on getting Cummings the sack. But you need to move on from a GE result that didn't go your way ????

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The fact you're still in denial about the Tory landslide victory in 2019 says a lot about your modus operandi. I have some sympathy for people who criticise the government, or are fixated on getting Cummings the sack. But you need to move on from a GE result that didn't go your way ????

He is factually correct.

[Nigel Garvie]

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The fact you're still in denial about the Tory landslide victory in 2019 says a lot about your modus operandi. I have some sympathy for people who criticise the government, or are fixated on getting Cummings the sack. But you need to move on from a GE result that didn't go your way ????

Is this GE argument basically about FPTP? Yes under the current system of course the Tories won in 2019. FPTP makes a mockery of Democracy, just like the electoral college does in the US. Now Corbyn and the Stazi left are history we may one day get PR, and these arguments would be over.

 

The most appropriate way to sort the Cummings situation would be to have him run over by a red bus. Unfortunately - in this case- extra judicial killings are rather frowned upon!

[CG1 Blue]

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

He is factually correct.

No he's not. He said "less than". The fact is it was more than. 

[7by7]

11 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The fact you're still in denial about the Tory landslide victory in 2019 says a lot about your modus operandi. I have some sympathy for people who criticise the government, or are fixated on getting Cummings the sack. But you need to move on from a GE result that didn't go your way ????

 

It was not me who brought up the 2019 election result; it was @Loiner 

 

When he did so, he made a glaring factual error. I corrected that error, but he is still claiming that he was correct and 43.6% is greater than 50%!

 

It is he, and possibly you, who cannot accept that Johnson only managed to increase the Tories' share of the vote by 1.2%; despite Labour's falling by a massive 7.9%!

[StreetCowboy]

5 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Is this GE argument basically about FPTP? Yes under the current system of course the Tories won in 2019. FPTP makes a mockery of Democracy, just like the electoral college does in the US. Now Corbyn and the Stazi left are history we may one day get PR, and these arguments would be over.

 

The most appropriate way to sort the Cummings situation would be to have him run over by a red bus. Unfortunately - in this case- extra judicial killings are rather frowned upon!

In that case, maybe not.

[7by7]

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

11 minutes ago, Sujo said:

He is factually correct.

No he's not. He said "less than". The fact is it was more than. 

Please explain how 43.6% is more than 50%.

[StreetCowboy]

We have a corrupt government elected by a minority that is driven by unelected advisors who care nothing for the law in a time of national crisis.  Now is the opportunity for the constitutional monarchy to show their value, and show that an elderly housewife and mother of a family of miscreants is more important than the arrogant, ignorant, self-serving buffoons that we are cursed with in office now.  We have not often been called to choose between allegiance to nation and crown, or government, but maybe this is now the time.

[Nigel Garvie]

14 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

In that case, maybe not.

Maybe this is the bus?

 

Note this is not a cartoon, it is not funny, it is a political commentary in visual form. I have tried hard to find the origin without success. Maybe someone recognises the style.

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by Nigel Garvie

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

Well, Sonia Khan is widely expected to win her claim of unfair dismissal after Cummings took it upon himself to seize her pass and have her frogmarched out of Downing Street by armed police officers. Without, by the way, any reference to her boss, the then Chancellor.

 

But the cases are not the same. If Johnson does ever grow a pair and fire Cummings it will be for justifiable reasons, lying for starters, not at the behest of any MSM conspiracy dreamed up by you and others.

Jo Swinson 'widely expected to win' the keys to No 10 last December...

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

For ???????????????????????????? read ????????. I don't for one minute believe that ???????? has a higher death rate than the rest of the ????????????, but with countries manipulating their figures or not bothering to report in the first place we're simply being saddled as a result of our over zealous reporting and the suspicion that deaths are being attributed to the virus despite other conditions being the actual cause of death.

 

It'll all come out in due course.

 

(????????????????????????????/???????? death rate worse than ????????? Countries in Central Asia or the Middle East? The ????????? or countries in ????????? Your can swallow that if you like but don't expect too many others to join you)

I am going on what this guy said:

 

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by RuamRudy

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am going on what this guy said:

 

 

Does he have any other credentials other than these?

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@Macnessie

A Vegan Scot who believes in an Independent Scotland & who's against ALL animal abuse & exploitation. I tweet about vegan stuff

 

[CG1 Blue]

21 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Please explain how 43.6% is more than 50%.

You said "But only 0.4% less than Labour in 1997, 1.2% less than the Conservatives in 2017."

 

But 43.6% is more than the percentages in 1997 and 2017. And you were questioning Loiner's maths ????‍♂️

 

[Loiner]

24 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

It was not me who brought up the 2019 election result; it was @Loiner 

 

When he did so, he made a glaring factual error. I corrected that error, but he is still claiming that he was correct and 43.6% is greater than 50%!

 

It is he, and possibly you, who cannot accept that Johnson only managed to increase the Tories' share of the vote by 1.2%; despite Labour's falling by a massive 7.9%!

I think it’s great that both Leave won and Boris was elected with numbers that you don’t like. The majority of the electorate has stuck it to the Remainers and the Left. Despite your pedantry, we have left the EU and the Tories will govern for five years. 

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Does he have any other credentials other than these?

 

Adam Bolton wasn't interviewing the guy who tweeted - I was expecting you to watch the FT statistician. I appreciate that it may be painful for you (well, it is bloody painful for 10s of thousands of poor souls) but seems clear - England has the worst excess death rate in the world. 

[StreetCowboy]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I think it’s great that both Leave won and Boris was elected with numbers that you don’t like. The majority of the electorate has stuck it to the Remainers and the Left. Despite your pedantry, we have left the EU and the Tories will govern for five years. 

I think it's great that we have been able to bring poverty and fascism to our country in such a short time.  It goes to show that we were no better than the Wiemar republic.  It's a bid sad that it will probably be equally difficult to reverse, but no pain without gain, eh?

[RuamRudy]

14 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Does he have any other credentials other than these?

 

Should you still wish to bury your head in the sand, best not read the tweet from Adam Boulton backing it up. 

 

 

[connda]

On 5/27/2020 at 6:14 PM, smedly said:

he actually did nothing wrong, what he did was covered by exceptional circumstance in the rules,

...unless your a pleb.  Then you'd have been taken to task. 
"This isn't a holiday people!" 

There are too many instances of "leaders" telling the plebs how to conduct themselves while chastising them for not "following the rules" - and then ignore their own rules. 

He needs to be sacked.

[evadgib]

34 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Adam Bolton wasn't interviewing the guy who tweeted - I was expecting you to watch the FT statistician. I appreciate that it may be painful for you (well, it is bloody painful for 10s of thousands of poor souls) but seems clear - England has the worst excess death rate in the world. 

The clip wouldn't play therefore I assumed the talking head was also the poster.

Edited May 31, 2020 by evadgib

[evadgib]

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Should you still wish to bury your head in the sand, best not read the tweet from Adam Boulton backing it up. 

The same Adam Bolton who blocks anyone using the hashtag #mediascum to describe his biased reporting?

(I was going to post a link but having just taken a fresh look at the page it's better if interested parties see it for themselves).

Edited May 31, 2020 by evadgib

[CG1 Blue]

18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Should you still wish to bury your head in the sand, best not read the tweet from Adam Boulton backing it up. 

 

 

Spain is now at 921 per million after adjusting their Covid 19 death numbers upward last week. I'd say it's highly likely other countries are reporting inaccurately too. 

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The clip would play therefore I assumed the talking head was the poster.

Anybody that relies on Adam Boulton tweets is in desperation street, we all know how bully boy Boulton is and how he treats his staff. He was caught on camera saying 'Borax to Brexit' after he thought the cameras were turned off, and was caught out having an affair with Tony Blairs spin doctor Anji Hunter.