Just now, Tippaporn said:

That's a fatalistic attitude.  I choose idealism and to work towards that idealism.

It's a view not an attitude.  Your idealism is stuck in a 100 year down trend but i'm sure Opera, Elon Musk or some other clown that Americans choose as their next president will turn it all around.  You should work towards breaking free of the left-right paradigm.

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

That's a fatalistic attitude.  I choose idealism and to work towards that idealism.

If that were the case you'd be agreeing with him. The Democrats and Republicans only pass laws that Americans overwhelmingly disapprove of and fail to pass the laws that they overwhelmingly desire to be passed. You'd think they were serving a different master than the electorate. And if you did think that way, you'd be right.

 

43 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

And your reaction to his reaction and my reaction to your reaction to his reaction? Yeah, that's gonna move the needle.

It seems to have evaded you, this is a discussion forum.

 

How about a ratings system similar to film and TV?

And those deciding ratings should be of the sort that run politifact. Washington Post or New York Times should not be involved (I subscribe to NYT, if that matters).

Imperfect? Sure. There should be some way to allow Trump to continue posting unfounded nonsense, but posting of warning (which may be ignored) seems reasonable.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It seems to have evaded you, this is a discussion forum.

 

That's what Shakespeare said:   "This life, which had been the tomb of his virtue and of his honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."  Or sumthin' like that.

3 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Trump doesn't care one way or the other about it. He only cares that you're talking about it. For all his faults, which are legion, his political instincts are really very good.

The evidence is Trump cares very much about his lies being challenged.

 

His fragility on the matter has been demonstrated on a number of occasions.

 

He cannot stand being called out and held accountable.

 

 

1 minute ago, lannarebirth said:

That's what Shakespeare said:   "This life, which had been the tomb of his virtue and of his honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."  Or sumthin' like that.

Did he also profess to be a Democrat, I can’t recall but someone did.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The evidence is Trump cares very much about his lies being challenged.

 

His fragility on the matter has been demonstrated on a number of occasions.

 

He cannot stand being called out and held accountable.

 

 

 

He seems to have you right where he wants you. The only time I've ever seen him genuinely angry is when his own toadies fail to back his move. And, hey, it's an election year and that's to be expected.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did he also profess to be a Democrat, I can’t recall but someone did.

I wouldn't think so, or he wouldn't have survived two monarchs.

5 hours ago, Slip said:

trump to being fact checked by Twitter.

Slip

That is the problem.  Who is doing the checking and what they portray as being FACTS   All of the studies have shown there is a bias in the media.  If you look at the number of negative posts regarding conservative principles versus liberal ones you get a small sense that this isn't fact checking it is censorship.  The newspapers, tv and radio repeatedly present things as FACTS but are not fact checked and they are routinely found to misrepresent the actual truth.  

If I am in charge of FACT CHECKING you, my views of what the truth is will certainly bias what I say is THE TRUTH. 

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

What censorship are you referring to?

 

What set Trump off was Twitter identifying his unsubstantiated claim about election fraud.  That's not censorship, that's informing the public.

You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see the censorship by all of the media platforms.  You can deny it all you like but all you'd be doing is denying the truth and fooling yourself.

 

Trump's claims about election fraud due to mail-in-ballots is not in the least unsubstantiated.  Here's your own Jerry Nadler from 2004.  Again, you have to have your head in the sand to ignore the existing fraud and deny the potential for fraud.

 

What set Trump off was the same as what should have set any reasonable person off . . . having biased fact checkers (CNN & NBC, both of whom have been caught peddling false information many times) claim your statements are false when they're not.  Who is Yoel Roth and what is his background?

 

Fox News - Twitter exec in charge of effort to fact-check Trump has history of anti-Trump posts, called McConnell a 'bag of farts'

 

Roth has previously referred to Trump and his team as "ACTUAL NAZIS," mocked Trump supporters by saying that "we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason," and called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a "personality-free bag of farts." Last August, Twitter suspended McConnell's Twitter account, prompting the GOP to threaten to cut off advertising on the site until Twitter relented.

 

Informing the public?  LOL  Brainwashing the dolts is more like it.

 

 

Edited May 29, 20206 yr by Tippaporn

What is setting Trump and his supporters off is that somebody finally stood up to him and called him the liar that he is now Trump and his supporters are behaving like the petulant children that they are. Trump has been shown to lie thousands of times during his presidency. His supporters follow a liar and like to repeat the lies themselves.

 

10 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Slip

That is the problem.  Who is doing the checking and what they portray as being FACTS   All of the studies have shown there is a bias in the media.  If you look at the number of negative posts regarding conservative principles versus liberal ones you get a small sense that this isn't fact checking it is censorship.  The newspapers, tv and radio repeatedly present things as FACTS but are not fact checked and they are routinely found to misrepresent the actual truth.  

If I am in charge of FACT CHECKING you, my views of what the truth is will certainly bias what I say is THE TRUTH. 

Thanks for explaining you don't understand what facts are.

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You're showing a lack of understanding as to the law.  Media platforms are either that or publishers.  Once they choose to become publishers rather than platforms they lose their protections of liability as to their content.  You're twisting the entire issue to conform with your own biased beliefs about and hatred for Trump.  Plain and simple.

Read Section 230, moderation of content is permitted by law for a social media provider.  As to the rest of your post, just an echo chamber of trump's efforts to suppress criticism. 

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Almost every post one reads in this forum is based on little knowledge and is a pavlovian response colored by personal biases. I encourage everyone to actually read Section 230 before commenting.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

Doesn´t matter if we read all the sections you possibly could provide. The fact still stands. Trump is an <deleted>! Always acting out like somebody stepped on big bears pinky toe. Just give the guy a spade and three die cast cars to play in the sandpit where he belongs. There he can sit together with HH and BJ

Edited May 29, 20206 yr by Matzzon

37 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see the censorship by all of the media platforms.  You can deny it all you like but all you'd be doing is denying the truth and fooling yourself.

 

Trump's claims about election fraud due to mail-in-ballots is not in the least unsubstantiated.  Here's your own Jerry Nadler from 2004.  Again, you have to have your head in the sand to ignore the existing fraud and deny the potential for fraud.

 

What set Trump off was the same as what should have set any reasonable person off . . . having biased fact checkers (CNN & NBC, both of whom have been caught peddling false information many times) claim your statements are false when they're not.  Who is Yoel Roth and what is his background?

 

Fox News - Twitter exec in charge of effort to fact-check Trump has history of anti-Trump posts, called McConnell a 'bag of farts'

 

Roth has previously referred to Trump and his team as "ACTUAL NAZIS," mocked Trump supporters by saying that "we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason," and called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a "personality-free bag of farts." Last August, Twitter suspended McConnell's Twitter account, prompting the GOP to threaten to cut off advertising on the site until Twitter relented.

 

Informing the public?  LOL  Brainwashing the dolts is more like it.

 

 

 

In the state I live in we've been voting by mail exclusively for over 20 years. Everybody loves it and there is almost zero evidence of electoral fraud. I think what you really hate is that other states may be like ours where at least 20% more voters cast ballots than is the national average.

Edited May 29, 20206 yr by lannarebirth

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Almost every post one reads in this forum is based on little knowledge and is a pavlovian response colored by personal biases. I encourage everyone to actually read Section 230 before commenting.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

Read it and it didn't change my attitude towards this completely worthless and totally embarrassing entity one iota!

Edited May 29, 20206 yr by Dap

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

It's possible but unlikely. So, are you saying that every law that is on the books that came into being before Trump became president is a good law?

Yeah . . . there was a similar code that should have barred Hillary from running for president due to her physical  treatment of that damned email server. I only bring this up to show these codes aren't worth the digital paper they're written on. There is NO rule of law in the US any more, it's devolved to a banana republic with oligarch overlords.

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I don't think that is true. She did the severed head thing in 2017 and deleted that. Now she wants to inject Trump with a syringe of air (to kill him). This happened just yesterday. IMO making death threats to a President is worse than a President trying to set the record straight against a barrage of fake and biased news.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kathy-griffin-donald-trump_uk_5ecf5af6c5b60f293c9505f1?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHQTNP1pWQviN7dpWk91LayVz74h2WsAEvigMKtkCBix6v2W_NNstCMB7pD0YgmUjiUTK60ksTxt8VrojBhSJVDA302Ax5GZmsMfnELY34DWiPvabR4UFHyN_DJ0U8gckSbVVy9cw43krTt1x_1res06hbTHP-T5-Sy_JpRtd2Wx

<deleted> she is just a silly comedian trying to get attention with her ridiculous OTT public acts. Personally I never previously heard of her - from brief research comes across as another US nutcase. , she's been investigated by the US Secret Service, has deaths threats and so on. The reality is she's set herself up to be just another tool for deflection by the trump world.

 

As to trump he's his own worst enemy and sets himself up with his thousands of posts and verbiage of lies, conspiracy theories, misinformation,  disinformation and retweeting far right propaganda etc, etc, etc

Edited May 29, 20206 yr by simple1

Thanks to case of Citizens promoted by Republicans, private companies have all the rights of an individual like POTUS Trump, including freedom of speech.

Trump has signed an Executive Order.

It was done to defend free speech.

In effect the government seeks to have unchecked power to control any communication between private parties and the public. 

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You either understand the value and importance of free speech or you do not.  If you understand and value it then you would never consider amending the law.

 

As to identifying questionable or false information then you have to consider who the arbiter of truth shall be.  No man was born for that job.  It is up to each individual to be his or her own judge as to what the truth is.

So you think a 26 year old law written before the existence of Facebook, Twitter, and much else does not need updating to reflect the world we now live in?  I disagree.  However nothing in the law as I read it prevents Twitter from identifying tweets of dubious accuracy, which is what has Trump outraged.

 

I agree that everyone must decide for themselves what they think is true.  However that doesn't preclude the service that transmits messages from identifying those messages that it considers suspect.

 

Finally, remember that Trump is free to choose what messaging services he uses.  If he doesn't like Twitter, he doesn't have to use it.

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see the censorship by all of the media platforms.  You can deny it all you like but all you'd be doing is denying the truth and fooling yourself.

 

Trump's claims about election fraud due to mail-in-ballots is not in the least unsubstantiated.  Here's your own Jerry Nadler from 2004.  Again, you have to have your head in the sand to ignore the existing fraud and deny the potential for fraud.

 

What set Trump off was the same as what should have set any reasonable person off . . . having biased fact checkers (CNN & NBC, both of whom have been caught peddling false information many times) claim your statements are false when they're not.  Who is Yoel Roth and what is his background?

 

Fox News - Twitter exec in charge of effort to fact-check Trump has history of anti-Trump posts, called McConnell a 'bag of farts'

 

Roth has previously referred to Trump and his team as "ACTUAL NAZIS," mocked Trump supporters by saying that "we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason," and called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a "personality-free bag of farts." Last August, Twitter suspended McConnell's Twitter account, prompting the GOP to threaten to cut off advertising on the site until Twitter relented.

 

Informing the public?  LOL  Brainwashing the dolts is more like it.

 

 

Yes, we get it; you and the other Trump supporters have made it very clear that you don't like the fact checker.  And when you can't refute the message you attack the messenger.

 

Give some examples of the rampant censorship that you claim exists on social media and I'll comment on it.  I hope you are not objecting to censorship of child pornography, terrorist propaganda, or other illegal activities; I assume most people support removing such things when identified.

 

Twitter did no delete or change Trump's message, Twitter provided a link showing that Trump's claim of election fraud is unsubstantiated.  That is not censorship. 

 

Also, multiple investigations into election fraud covering decades of elections and hundreds of millions of votes have shown only trivial instances of voter fraud, nothing that would influence the outcome of a national or state election.  Nadler's statement from 2004, in which he neglected to suggest an alternative to paper ballots, has not been substantiated.

 

 

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see the censorship by all of the media platforms.  You can deny it all you like but all you'd be doing is denying the truth and fooling yourself.

 

Trump's claims about election fraud due to mail-in-ballots is not in the least unsubstantiated.  Here's your own Jerry Nadler from 2004.  Again, you have to have your head in the sand to ignore the existing fraud and deny the potential for fraud.

 

What set Trump off was the same as what should have set any reasonable person off . . . having biased fact checkers (CNN & NBC, both of whom have been caught peddling false information many times) claim your statements are false when they're not.  Who is Yoel Roth and what is his background?

 

Fox News - Twitter exec in charge of effort to fact-check Trump has history of anti-Trump posts, called McConnell a 'bag of farts'

 

Roth has previously referred to Trump and his team as "ACTUAL NAZIS," mocked Trump supporters by saying that "we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason," and called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a "personality-free bag of farts." Last August, Twitter suspended McConnell's Twitter account, prompting the GOP to threaten to cut off advertising on the site until Twitter relented.

 

Informing the public?  LOL  Brainwashing the dolts is more like it.

 

 

One last time for those at the back of the room and for the hard of hearing; THIS IS NOT CENSORSHIP.  

Trump is free to post whatever drivel he wants but from now on Twitter is putting a little sign at the bottom of his rantings saying things like  'Get the facts about mail-in ballots'.

He is still free to post. He has not been supressed, he has not be prohibited from posting. 

 

Of the approx. 1000 proven instances of voter fraud out of a total voter turnout of some 138 million people who voted in 2016 (https://guides.libraries.psu.edu/post-election-2016/voter-turnout) you get to a whopping 0.0006%. In other words it's a non-issue but one that Trump and the GOP are keen to flog as it does not bode well for either him nor the GOP if there is a large voter turnout. The GOP have benefitted for years through gerrymandering, voter suppression and no/limited mail-in voting so the idea of this happening (and it looks more likely in the midst of a pandemic) fills them with absolute dread and is why Trump is punting this stance whilst also providing no evidence to back his claim. This is why it was rightly fact checked and flagged 'unsubstantiated'.

The background of checkers is irrelavant as it's seldom just one person and well, a facts, a fact is a fact despite what Trump and his fans will try and make you beleive.

 

And getting back to the main point, Trump hasn't been censored, he's been flagged for 'unsubstantiated' claims. He is still free to post on his media outlet of choice (including Twitter), he just can't keep spreading false information like he has done for many, many years without getting called out on it. This has got to be a step in the right direction.   

4 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And getting back to the main point, Trump hasn't been censored, he's been flagged for 'unsubstantiated' claims. He is still free to post on his media outlet of choice (including Twitter), he just can't keep spreading false information like he has done for many, many years without getting called out on it. This has got to be a step in the right direction.   

I didn't vote for him, I saw what a fraud he was during the primary, but when he won the election, I held my tongue and hoped the gravity of the office would wake him up. Instead, he's turned into an absolute corrupt monster. The level of his ineptitude gets worse each passing minute, the obvious display of his cracking under pressure should frighten any thinking person. World leaders laugh at him, anyone in his cabinet who tried to say anything he didn't like was removed immediately, only the local sycophants are allowed to stay - as long as they never said anything to contradict him. THIS is where Twitter committed the most mortal of all sins: to suggest in public that he may have lied. We all KNOW he's a liar but to have him exposed as a liar is more than he can handle.

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

I didn't vote for him, I saw what a fraud he was during the primary, but when he won the election, I held my tongue and hoped the gravity of the office would wake him up. Instead, he's turned into an absolute corrupt monster. The level of his ineptitude gets worse each passing minute, the obvious display of his cracking under pressure should frighten any thinking person. World leaders laugh at him, anyone in his cabinet who tried to say anything he didn't like was removed immediately, only the local sycophants are allowed to stay - as long as they never said anything to contradict him. THIS is where Twitter committed the most mortal of all sins: to suggest in public that he may have lied. We all KNOW he's a liar but to have him exposed as a liar is more than he can handle.

I thnk they will stand their ground as he needs them more than they need him. Whatever the outcome of the spurious Executive Order he's announced, you can be sure it won't be resolved by November and after that? Well it just won't matter because he'll have much more to worry about when he's no longer POTUS.

10 hours ago, Gumballl said:

I could care less if he goes to prison. I just want his name erased from all history books.

Better not. It should remind how irresponsable people are when the vote...

Repealing or limiting Section 230 will have the opposite effect. It will restrict more speech online, not less.

Poor donald.even ann coulter has now had enough of him.

 

Btw, he hasnt signed an executive order. He has signed a draft. I have no idea why he would sign a draft.

This just in:

In a late-night tweet, President Trump described the Minneapolis protesters as "thugs" and threatened to send in the military, writing, "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." Twitter flagged his tweet for "glorifying" violence, a move that likely fueled Trump's ire with the platform just hours after he unveiled his executive order aimed at limiting the power of social media companies over posted content.

 

It's on now!