U.S. defense chief opposes deploying troops to quell protests, despite Trump threats

[DoctorG]

4 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

But as we know this is not the protestors doing it.  It is the usual gangs of thugs that turn out at every protest meeting.

The problem is we cannot tell the difference until they smash a window. There is a side-by-side photo online of a black girl with her protest sign. The second part shows her, minus sign because her arms are full of merch as she comes out of a looted store.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Yea I know who he is he was sacked by Obama and Trump gave him a second chance then he gets fired and stabs POTUS in the back - yes I KNOW who he IS.

Stating a sincerely held opinion is not stabbing trump in the back, it's talking truth to power. Talking truth to power is well known to be unacceptable to trump, calling out such people as scum and traitors - trump is disgraceful and unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

The Police officers involved  have all been arrested and charged over the killing so, they werent acting with impunity

They did act with impunity. They thought the systemic endemic racism, would go unnoticed and unchallenged, and it did for some time until PUBLIC outcry.

This racism is systemic and epigenetic now.

[tribalfusion001]

7 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Yea! you are right!  let the scum loot, kill, attack innocent people - burn churches!  why stop them?  this is not the first time this has happened remember LA riots?  what if YOU were a shop owner that was looted?  but no you sit in your arm chair and say 'let the mob rule'  unbelievable

 

restore law and order

Burning churches is the best thing ever, christianity is a pretty evil religion, same as Islam, divisive and ignorant.

[RJRS1301]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Stating a sincerely held opinion is not stabbing trump in the back, it's talking truth to power. Talking truth to power is well known to be unacceptable to trump, calling out such people as scum and traitors - trump is disgraceful and unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

The language this man uses, shows the lack of social consciousness possessed by him.

[dunroaming]

31 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

The problem is we cannot tell the difference until they smash a window. There is a side-by-side photo online of a black girl with her protest sign. The second part shows her, minus sign because her arms are full of merch as she comes out of a looted store.

True.  But just as true are the pictures of the white guys masked up burning cars and smashing windows.  I was out there when the poll tax riots were happening in London and the rent a mob thugs were mingling in with the real protestors and then breaking cover to hurl bricks at the police and through shop windows.  Many of these people were carrying posters but as we know when you go to any rally there are banners and posters supplied for anyone who wants them. 

 

I have been listening to those being interviewed at many of the protest locations in the USA and it is as clear as day that they are not the ones being violent but genuine protestors.

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

They did act with impunity. They thought the systemic endemic racism, would go unnoticed and unchallenged, and it did for some time until PUBLIC outcry.

This racism is systemic and epigenetic now.

*Impunity* means to "Exemption from punishment*

They immediately got sacked from their jobs and after consideration, they got arrested and charged .

So, they didn't act with "impunity" 

[wwest5829]

9 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

The current riots are much worse and much more wide spread than the Rodney King riots.

 

 Over four hundred cities and towns in all fifty states were affected, riots all across the USA.

 

When does this idiot think the same response as was used in 1992 would be jusitifed? Throw him out! And send in the military already to end this orgy of vandalism and destruction.

And kiss the USA goodbye ...

[wwest5829]

8 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Yea! you are right!  let the scum loot, kill, attack innocent people - burn churches!  why stop them?  this is not the first time this has happened remember LA riots?  what if YOU were a shop owner that was looted?  but no you sit in your arm chair and say 'let the mob rule'  unbelievable

 

restore law and order

Heard the same thing from the stories loyalists in 1776 ... damned destructive radicals!

[sawadee1947]

Suppose he's looking for a new job.... ????

[Mac98]

10 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Yea! you are right!  let the scum loot, kill, attack innocent people - burn churches!  why stop them?  this is not the first time this has happened remember LA riots?  what if YOU were a shop owner that was looted?  but no you sit in your arm chair and say 'let the mob rule'  unbelievable

 

restore law and order

You don't do it when you still have options including local and state law enforcement and that state's national guard, which all have been upgraded following 9/11. To give Trump that power at this date means he could call out the military to quell protests when he loses the election but refuses to leave office. A real possibility. "The election was rigged!"

[Mac98]

10 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Yea! you are right!  let the scum loot, kill, attack innocent people - burn churches!  why stop them?  this is not the first time this has happened remember LA riots?  what if YOU were a shop owner that was looted?  but no you sit in your arm chair and say 'let the mob rule'  unbelievable

 

restore law and order

You don't do it when you still have options including local and state law enforcement and that state's national guard, which all have been upgraded following 9/11. To give Trump that power at this date means he could call out the military to quell protests when he loses the election but refuses to leave office. A real possibility. "The election was rigged!"

[mikebike]

13 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

*Impunity* means to "Exemption from punishment*

They immediately got sacked from their jobs and after consideration, they got arrested and charged .

So, they didn't act with "impunity" 

Hindsight is wonderful.

 

Unfortunately they believed they were acting with impunity because of past precedent.

[Berkshire]

17 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Yea I know who he is he was sacked by Obama and Trump gave him a second chance then he gets fired and stabs POTUS in the back - yes I KNOW who he IS.

No, Mattis was not fired by Trump.  Are you ever right about anything? 

 

[“The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation,” Kelly, who was Trump's chief of staff when Mattis departed the administration, told the Washington Post. “The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused.”]

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/04/john-kelly-jim-mattis-feud-trump-301335

 

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

No, Mattis was not fired by Trump.  Are you ever right about anything? 

 

[“The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation,” Kelly, who was Trump's chief of staff when Mattis departed the administration, told the Washington Post. “The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused.”]

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/04/john-kelly-jim-mattis-feud-trump-301335

 

And this is why we can't understand nor trust Trump and his supporters. They are either lying or willfully ignorant.

[stevenl]

39 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

No, Mattis was not fired by Trump.  Are you ever right about anything? 

 

[“The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation,” Kelly, who was Trump's chief of staff when Mattis departed the administration, told the Washington Post. “The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused.”]

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/04/john-kelly-jim-mattis-feud-trump-301335

 

Kelly is being generous to Trump, by omitting the sentence 'or is lying about it'.

[metisdead]

A troll post using a trolling reference to POTUS and the replies have been removed. 

[BobBKK]

On 6/4/2020 at 3:29 PM, soalbundy said:

Apparently the police didn't learn any lessons from LA. If the police can murder black citizens with impunity it's no wonder that there are riots. I see that white supremist illegally armed Nazis standing around just waiting for a chance to shoot aren't being arrested, Trump has their back.

No one supports that terrible killing. The riots are nothing to do with that and blacks kill more people than whites but not the point. Identity politics is causing it.

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

No one supports that terrible killing. The riots are nothing to do with that and blacks kill more people than whites but not the point. Identity politics is causing it.

The protestors are a mixed of racial, religious, ethnic and social identity. Far from being identity politics. 

 

[BobBKK]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

The protestors are a mixed of racial, religious, ethnic and social identity. Far from being identity politics. 

 

Black Lives Matter is identity politics how about ALL Lives Matter?

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Black Lives Matter is identity politics how about ALL Lives Matter?

This is about systemic racism

More blacks killed by police than others, blacks more likely to stopped questioned, searched, charged and incarcerated 

[BobBKK]

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

This is about systemic racism

More blacks killed by police than others, blacks more likely to stopped questioned, searched, charged and incarcerated 

And Blacks kill more people than white and more crime committed by Blacks? I don't care what colour their skin treat everyone equally.

Identifying by colour or gender or sexual preference is just WRONG.

[J Town]

10 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Black Lives Matter is identity politics how about ALL Lives Matter?

Imagine your child dies. You are at the memorial service, sharing your memories. Suddenly someone jumps up, grabs the microphone, and yells "ALL children matter." THAT'S why black lives matter movement exists.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Black Lives Matter is identity politics how about ALL Lives Matter?

You just don’t get it. The protests was sparked by disproportionate police brutality against black and that has been the rallying call and resonated with other races, religious, ethnic and social classes. How then can that be identity politics when protestors are so diversified. 

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

how about ALL Lives Matter?

 

 

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

And Blacks kill more people than white and more crime committed by Blacks? I don't care what colour their skin treat everyone equally.

Identifying by colour or gender or sexual preference is just WRONG.

This is about systemic racism, not who kills more of whom. This about POLICE, LAW enforcement, and it is because if you are black or a person of colour, you are at significant higher risk  of being brutalised, discriminated against, and killed by police than a caucasian.

 

Treating everyone "equally" is not necessarily treating everyone equitably 

 

Edited June 6, 2020 by RJRS1301

[johnpetersen]

3 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Black Lives Matter is identity politics how about ALL Lives Matter?

When you have convinced the police that all lives matter equally, let us know. Until then, here's an instructive article from latimes.com about how a black father and son who own a very successful gardening enterprise get harassed by cops:

https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/story/2020-06-05/logans-gardens-father-son-nursery-owners

[mtls2005]

Esper orders all active-duty troops outside DC home

 

Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Friday ordered the remaining active-duty soldiers who had been on standby in the Washington, D.C., area back to their home bases after several days of peaceful protests in the nation’s capital.

 

The troops from the 91st Military Police Battalion based in Fort Drum, N.Y., will return to their state, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy told reporters at the Pentagon, as reported by multiple outlets.

 

A small active-duty contingent of the Arlington, Va.-based "Old Guard" — the Army's official ceremonial unit and escort to the U.S. president — will remain on standby if D.C. law enforcement needs help, he noted.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/501393-esper-orders-all-active-duty-troops-outside-dc-home

[BobBKK]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

This is about systemic racism, not who kills more of whom. This about POLICE, LAW enforcement, and it is because if you are black or a person of colour, you are at significant higher risk  of being brutalised, discriminated against, and killed by police than a caucasian.

 

Treating everyone "equally" is not necessarily treating everyone equitably 

 

Blacks commit more crimes and so get targeted more. All the data says that. Suggesting Blacks, generally, are the victims is nonsense.

[RJRS1301]

6 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Blacks commit more crimes and so get targeted more. All the data says that. Suggesting Blacks, generally, are the victims is nonsense.

Not sure about your "data" evidence, this is not the results which have been validated in many studies. I am unsure if you are talking about global. USA, UK or Oz stats, but your sources would be good to know.

 

But as has been stated by one of the 20th century psychologists (cannot recall whom)  many go and find evidence to back up their poorly based beliefs.