what percent of obesity cases are the result of lifestyle choices?

[simon43]

17 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Hello Simon and thank you for your contribution. Congratulations and no one can argue with your success. You don't mention how many kilo's you lost, if any. And you don't mention what will happen when you are unable to do these exercises. And YES we can all agree that regular exercise is great for one's general health. Where we differ is everyone here is saying that the obesity epidemic is a diet and lack of exercise problem. I disagree strongly.

 

Lastly, what if, for every success like yours, and Fred, and Robblok, there are TWENTY failures, like mine, and millions of others. Because that is what the data shows. Would you still say that diets and exercise work?

I lost about 12 Kg.  It is not a huge amount.  I have a compact body type and my concern wasn't solely about losing weight - that's just a number.  I wanted an 'all-over' change to my unhealthy lifestyle, so that I not only look good for my age, I feel good inside as well.  So I wanted to strengthen my heart, make sure that I was only eating good fats (to avoid clogging up my arteries with sh*t), make sure that I was getting the necessary minerals for my body etc etc.  I teach nutrition topics to my students maybe 10 times a week (I teach a lot of lessons), and have personally learnt a lot about how my body functions etc.  As I said, I took things VERY slowly, no sudden change to my lifestyle and food intake, no fad crash diets, just slowly, slowly change and then maintain that change.

 

I haven't considered not doing exercises. You can do physical exercises even if you're disabled. I'm 61 years old and exercise every day (jog, lift some weights etc).  I'm definitely not a health fanatic! I do it because it makes me feel so healthy and 'fresh' inside.

 

As for your 'lastly' comment, the data maybe shows that diets don't work.  Well, see my previous post.  I'm not talking about 'diets', (as in short-term dieting).  I'm talking about a 'diet' (carefully-designed food/drink intake for the rest of your life).  It works for me ????  But I don't deny that you need a strong will-power and self-confidence to embark down this route.

 

Don't think of it as a diet/fitness regime.  Think of it as your lifestyle for a happy and healthy life.

 

 

[NotYourBusiness]

On 6/20/2020 at 1:10 PM, fredwiggy said:

There are three body types, ectomorph (those that usually stay slim no matter what), mesomorph (those that can be lean when they follow a good diet), and endomorph (those that to eat lean to stay lean and put on weight easily). The  easiest ways to stay slim if you have a tendency to put on weight are, do not eat past 7PM, as your usually doing less then and will store the calories. Eat 5 small meals a day instead of three larger ones, because if you take in less calories, you will store less. Never drink calories. No sugar sodas or drinks, no fruit juices (the fruit is better, has less sugar and more fiber), and if you use milk, drink it in cereal or oatmeal, and not as a drink, and use skim or 1%, never whole milk. Any alcohol is sugar, so limit drinking (I know, impossible for most expats, but if you drink too much sugar, the body has to burn that off first before stored fat) Take stairs instead of elevators or escalators. (Unless you're in the Empire State Building and want to prove a point). Trim all fat from meat before cooking (I know, fat makes meat taste better, but....), Limit any refined sugar (candy, cakes, pies, snacks, etc. ) to a snack and a small one. When you're older, you have to lower your carbohydrate (rice is good but not at every meal like they do here) intake because your metabolism is slower as you age. Eat more fish and chicken and less pork and beef. Eggs are good but eat more whites than yolks. Eliminate fried foods if you need to lose weight. Salads are great but you ruin them if you overload the high calorie dressings ( low fat is ok but sometimes means high sugar, find those with both). Walking daily is good, but weight training is better especially when you age because you lose muscle with age, and the more muscle your body carries, the more you burn calories.  Pretty easy , just takes motivation, desire and will power, especially if you haven't done much all your life .

Hello Fred, I did go back and read all of your previous posts. I really believe that you have your beliefs in what works for you and you are sincere in trying to help people. But here's the problem. I did all these things almost my whole life and they don't work for me. Consistently gaining an average of 1kg per year, after 30 years, do the math.......

 

Not quibbling, but your first sentences discuss body types. So then it's NOT just about diet and exercise? There are other factors? Because that is what I have been saying all along. The pictures I posted show examples of people not in control of their weight. There are other factors. One other minor thing, pure alcohol products like rum, vodka, gin, tequila and whiskey all contain no carbs. They are metabolized quite differently than sugar.

 

Back to the thread. So if what you have written hasn't worked for someone, what would you tell them? Try harder? As I said before, these people like me are generally already mentally defeated. Trying harder in that mental state is impossible. So what would you suggest? Because there is a better way. I am proof.

 

 

Edited June 27, 2020 by NotYourBusiness

[NotYourBusiness]

31 minutes ago, pineapple01 said:

Calling someone a Troll because they have a strong view is like todays Snowflakes playing  the Raciest Card when your loosing a debate or being challenged.

Thank you Pineapple. I am not a troll. I am losing weight that I NEVER could lose before following the eat less, exercise more failed mantra. I am not exercising (ok maybe a little bit, but certainly not vigorously). And eating the same foods as before. And before the sponge can accept the water, it needs to be softened up a bit. For some posters here, a tough nut to crack. ???? I have found many times that just coming out and telling people like this is useless. They must find it for themselves. There is a better way than eat less, exercise more. Find it.

Edited June 27, 2020 by NotYourBusiness

[fredwiggy]

29 minutes ago, pineapple01 said:

Calling someone a Troll because they have a strong view is like todays Snowflakes playing  the Raciest Card when your loosing a debate or being challenged.

Have you been following the posts? We all have been asking him to relate what he is doing that's contrary to proven methods. I and others here that have done what we are doing know exercise and dieting (not fad diets, but a lifestyle change regarding food intake) works If you stick with it. No one has ever come up with an idea that you can do and eat whatever you want, and lose weight. The body does not work that way. As I've said numerous times, if you've been following, most people in the world do not want to look like a bodybuilder, and I understand that. Most would just like to be slim. You can't be slim forever, because after your teenage fast metabolism, which can burn most anything (not everyone of course) slows down, you will get fat if both, you continue to eat bad, and not exercise. I've been working out over 45 years, and stayed lean, and have seen people on treadmills and bicycles in various gyms, for years, and still not get lean. That's because they aren't eating healthy. I want him to tell us what he's been doing to "melt" fat off, by eating donuts and not exercising. He only refers back to 2 pictures of fat babies and an emaciated man, all of whom are most likely suffering from one of the diseases I've mentioned, along with others. I didn't call him a troll. But by definition, a troll is someone who wants to see others emotional replies for their own amusement. I'm not the only one who has asked him repeatedly to tell us what he is doing, yet all he's done is played a game. I nor anyone else who knows what to do to lose fat has lost a debate here. If we are to be challenged, bring proof and tell us what he is doing so others might benefit. What I've stated does work, and it's why I posted it.

[fredwiggy]

29 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Thank you Pineapple. I am not a troll. I am losing weight that I NEVER could lose before following the eat less, exercise more failed mantra. I am not exercising (ok maybe a little bit, but certainly not vigorously). And eating the same foods as before. And before the sponge can accept the water, it needs to be softened up a bit. For some posters here, a tough nut to crack. ???? I have found many times that just coming out and telling people like this is useless. They must find it for themselves. There is a better way than eat less, exercise more. Find it.

That reply tells me you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Find it ourselves? Find what? A magic cure for obesity? If this was valid, do you not think all the other millions who are suffering because of too much body fat would be doing it? For all we know, you weigh 500 lbs and are "melting" off fat because you stopped eating a dozen donuts a day and went down to 3. When someone weighs a lot, it's easy to lose weight just by reducing what you've been eating all along. It's the last 10 lbs that are very hard to lose. Just by saying you ate 2 donuts and are thinking about a third tells me you aren't concerned about your health or about others, thinking they might follow what you do and be healthy. Eating donuts daily isn't healthy, and eating unhealthy is why so many die from heart disease, diabetes, gout, and a myriad of other diseases daily. My position is trying to help, as I have for many people over the last 45 years. Your position is telling people you know of this magical cure for obesity, yet won't divulge what it is, and by your last statement, "There is a better way than eat less, exercise more, find it", it seems just like nonsense to me here, and I suppose, most others. If you know of a way, tell us. If not, stop posting, because now you have at least one clueless member taking your  side.

Edited June 27, 2020 by fredwiggy

[Odysseus123]

There was a poster some posts back who pointed out that the obesity epidemic is primarily due to the "Americanisation" of food-not only just thru' fast food outlets but also of packaged food of all types and that this form of colonisation has become pervasive in a lot of countries.

 

It is certainly so in my country (Australia) which has a huge obesity epidemic on its hands primarily due to both cultural as well as culinary colonisation from the US.

 

My modest sized town (30,000) is ringed by fast food outlets rather like medieval towers guarding all major access and egress routes and they did a roaring trade during the lockdown.

 

*I rarely take photos around the town now due to the difficulties of excising the images of the mobile tubs of lard from the pictures.

 

[fredwiggy]

48 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Hello Fred, I did go back and read all of your previous posts. I really believe that you have your beliefs in what works for you and you are sincere in trying to help people. But here's the problem. I did all these things almost my whole life and they don't work for me. Consistently gaining an average of 1kg per year, after 30 years, do the math.......

 

Not quibbling, but your first sentences discuss body types. So then it's NOT just about diet and exercise? There are other factors? Because that is what I have been saying all along. The pictures I posted show examples of people not in control of their weight. There are other factors. One other minor thing, pure alcohol products like rum, vodka, gin, tequila and whiskey all contain no carbs. They are metabolized quite differently than sugar.

 

Back to the thread. So if what you have written hasn't worked for someone, what would you tell them? Try harder? As I said before, these people like me are generally already mentally defeated. Trying harder in that mental state is impossible. So what would you suggest? Because there is a better way. I am proof.

 

 

The pictures you showed are extreme examples of people who are suffering from a disease, like I mentioned earlier. If there's a better way, tell us what it is, because the whole world would like to know.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Odysseus123 said:

There was a poster some posts back who pointed out that the obesity epidemic is primarily due to the "Americanisation" of food-not only just thru' fast food outlets but also of packaged food of all types and that this form of colonisation has become pervasive in a lot of countries.

 

It is certainly so in my country (Australia) which has a huge obesity epidemic on its hands primarily due to both cultural as well as culinary colonisation from the US.

 

My modest sized town (30,000) is ringed by fast food outlets rather like medieval towers guarding all major access and egress routes and they did a roaring trade during the lockdown.

 

*I rarely take photos around the town now due to the difficulties of excising the images of the mobile tubs of lard from the pictures.

 

Fast food is a multi billion dollar business that cares little about what happens after you eat there. Putting healthier items on their menus only brings in more customers, who are with the people that are eating the regular fare.

[NotYourBusiness]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That reply tells me you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Find it ourselves? Find what? A magic cure for obesity? If this was valid, do you not think all the other millions who are suffering because of too much body fat would be doing it? For all we know, you weigh 500 lbs and are "melting" off fat because you stopped eating a dozen donuts a day and went down to 3. When someone weighs a lot, it's easy to lose weight just by reducing what you've been eating all along. It's the last 10 lbs that are very hard to lose. Just by saying you ate 2 donuts and are thinking about a third tells me you aren't concerned about your health or about others, thinking they might follow what you do and be healthy. Eating donuts daily isn't healthy, and eating unhealthy is why so many die from heart disease, diabetes, gout, and a myriad of other diseases daily. My position is trying to help, as I have for many people over the last 45 years. Your position is telling people you know of this magical cure for obesity, yet won't divulge what it is, and by your last statement, "There is a better way than eat less, exercise more, find it", it seems just like bull$%#t to me here, and I suppose, most others. If you know of a way, tell us. If not, stop posting, because now you have at least one clueless member taking your  side.

Yes sir, there is a cure, it's easy, it works, it's NOT eat less, exercise more. Of course you need to change something about your life. Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. Of COURSE, you must change something. BUT, it's basically NONE of the things you have posted in your first post which I referenced above. And no drugs of any kind. You see how cobatitive you have become? You are not receptive to learn anything new. No problem, you can stay with your old failed mantra. I have dug deep into recent research and then I have also modified what I found. I am losing weight that I NEVER could lose before following your advice. Sorry to bring you this news. I will post another clue. Then I am quite sure you will tell me you knew it all along lol.

[NotYourBusiness]

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The pictures you showed are extreme examples of people who are suffering from a disease, like I mentioned earlier. If there's a better way, tell us what it is, because the whole world would like to know.

OK man thanks, but you didn't answer the question. I really do want to know. If I may repeat:

 

So if what you have written hasn't worked for someone, what would you tell them? Try harder? As I said before, these people like me are generally already mentally defeated. Trying harder in that mental state is impossible. So what would you suggest?

Edited June 27, 2020 by NotYourBusiness

[fredwiggy]

It's not a failed mantra because there are millions of fit, lean people that are proof that the principles I've stated, and learned over the years, works.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

OK man thanks, but you didn't answer the question. I really do want to know. If I may repeat:

 

So if what you have written hasn't worked for someone, what would you tell them? Try harder? As I said before, these people like me are generally already mentally defeated. Trying harder in that mental state is impossible. So what would you suggest?

Like I always suggest. If you fail, you try again. It's human nature to do things the easy way. Staying FIT isn't easy. You have to bust ass to get a good body (especially after you're early 20's) and have to bust ass to keep it fit. If your only desire is to be lean, and hate exercise, then eating healthy, not eating after 6PM, eating 5 small meals a day (not missing breakfast) instead of 3 big ones, and drinking no sugar calories is the way to do it.

[NotYourBusiness]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's not a failed mantra because there are millions of fit, lean people that are proof that the principles I've stated, and learned over the years, works.

I would question those numbers, but anyway, having millions of fit and lean people proves nothing. You mentioned in your post about body types. Perhaps there are millions of the lean body type? You mean there are other factors? They didn't actually do anything to get that body?

 

The real question is: how many FAT people have lost the weight and are now fit and lean for long periods? And the answer to THAT question is a very low number. Eat less, exercise more is a failure for MOST people. The data proves it. Do your own research.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

Yes sir, there is a cure, it's easy, it works, it's NOT eat less, exercise more. Of course you need to change something about your life. Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. Of COURSE, you must change something. BUT, it's basically NONE of the things you have posted in your first post which I referenced above. And no drugs of any kind. You see how cobatitive you have become? You are not receptive to learn anything new. No problem, you can stay with your old failed mantra. I have dug deep into recent research and then I have also modified what I found. I am losing weight that I NEVER could lose before following your advice. Sorry to bring you this news. I will post another clue. Then I am quite sure you will tell me you knew it all along lol.

If I knew it all along, I would be telling the public about it. If you have a cure for obesity, you would be telling them also. Recent research? You gave us a link that further strengthens my responses about changing your lifestyle.

[simon43]

OP, unless I've missed it, you really need to tell us what you eat/drink every day, what your lifestyle is, what exercise you do etc.

 

I'm a scientist, and I know that energy cannot be conjured up out of thin air.  If you get fat (or remain fat), then the mantra that has been repeated a million times holds true.  The energy that creates that fat has to come from somewhere.  Energy doesn't seep through your skin - it essentially comes from your food/drink intake.  If you consume more energy (calories) than you use (through simply surviving and daily activities), then that excess energy will be stored as fat in your body - it's that simple!  You can alter that outcome by either taking in less energy, which doesn't have to mean eating less, but can mean changing the kinds of food you eat so that you consume less calories, but maintain/increase your mineral/vitamin/fibre/things-what-is-good-for-your-body intake.

 

You can also also alter the energy equation balance by burning off excess energy through exercise, which will also ensure that you maintain healthy muscles and heart muscle.  I'm not a health freak and enjoy beer and sugary foods on occasion.  But I'm also aware of my own body energy needs.  I need to exercise daily to ensure that I maintain the balance of energy in, energy out.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

I would question those numbers, but anyway, having millions of fit and lean people proves nothing. You mentioned in your post about body types. Perhaps there are millions of the lean body type? You mean there are other factors? They didn't actually do anything to get that body?

 

The real question is: how many FAT people have lost the weight and are now fit and lean for long periods? And the answer to THAT question is a very low number. Eat less, exercise more is a failure for MOST people. The data proves it. Do your own research.

People aren't born fat, with those few exceptions of those with a disease. That isn't billions. Ectomorphs don't have to diet so strictly, at least for quite a while. They too can get fat if they don't eat right, especially belly fat, which is the most unhealthy.  Just not as much as an endomorph can. I don't have to research what I already know, and have known all along. Working in gyms and working out in them, you get to see the percentage of those that exercise and fail, let alone the general public which doesn't go to gyms. I know what you are trying to say. Most people fail at changing their lifestyles. What you haven't said is what YOU are doing to lose weight.

[NotYourBusiness]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Like I always suggest. If you fail, you try again. It's human nature to do things the easy way. Staying FIT isn't easy. You have to bust ass to get a good body (especially after you're early 20's) and have to bust ass to keep it fit. If your only desire is to be lean, and hate exercise, then eating healthy, not eating after 6PM, eating 5 small meals a day (not missing breakfast) instead of 3 big ones, and drinking no sugar calories is the way to do it.

Thanks again Fred, as I always say, I believe you are sincere in your posts, trying to help people. Another hint, the bolded text above is what my mother told me since I was young. I always believed it, it makes perfect sense, I always followed it. And it is precisely the thing that doomed all my efforts, for reasons that you are not ready to listen and understand. If I may gently recommend, you need to do your own updated research.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

Thanks again Fred, as I always say, I believe you are sincere in your posts, trying to help people. Another hint, the bolded text above is what my mother told me since I was young. I always believed it, it makes perfect sense, I always followed it. And it is precisely the thing that doomed all my efforts, for reasons that you are not ready to listen and understand. If I may gently recommend, you need to do your own updated research.

Which again, tells us that you are not doing anything out of the ordinary and are just eating less, if you are losing weight. There isn't any research out there that shows people can do what you say and lose weight. if there was, the world wouldn't be getting fatter by the day. I don't have to research because I already know the answer. If you want to stay fat, keep eating the way you do. If you want to get lean, do what's already out there, as far as changing your lifestyle, and maybe exercising more. No quick fixes. If you have any links that tell us something we all don't know, provide them. You haven't said one word about what you are doing, just beating around the bush with "clues" that lead nowhere. I've been reading for 45 years what to do about staying lean, all the nutrition advice i can find, and have adopted that into my life all this time. It is the reason I can get ripped in a matter of 2 weeks, and stay very lean all year. If I didn't work out I would lose muscle. I haven't trained like i normally do since i came here and have lost 8lbs of muscle. Now that I've found a gym I will gain that back when I can get started here. Please help others by providing ONE answer on what you are doing, because I don't need it anyway. I already know the right way.

Edited June 27, 2020 by fredwiggy

[NotYourBusiness]

OK guys, in an attempt to calm the masses, here is another strong hint. I have already asked you, what is common in both photos? And there was one or two posts who had the right answer.

 

What is common about both photos is they both have uncontrolled insulin levels. Therefore, their weight is not in control. The babies on the right have high insulin due to exposure in the womb. THEY ARE FAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO. The man on the right has diabetes before insulin was available. HE IS SKINNY NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES. These pictures are incredibly important because we FORGET that this is what the result of low insulin looks like. We forget because modern medical interventions quickly address the problem and we never see it anymore at this stage. Low insulin PREVENTS your body from absorbing nutrients, even if you are eating them. You see? It's not just about diet and exercise. There are other factors. No one is suggesting that we want to get diabetes. What this showed me was if I want to lose weight easily, I need to get my insulin levels down. That is MUCH more important than any diet or exercise.

 

Here is another clue. Which of the symptoms interested me? You guessed it. That got me very curious. This is UNEXPLAINED weight loss. It says you are eating MORE, and still losing weight. Bingo!

 

Now FRED, please pay attention. It says EATING MORE, and LOSING WEIGHT. That is what I want to do!

 

Edited June 27, 2020 by NotYourBusiness

[pineapple01]

If i was a Digital Nomad it would be easy to change Lifestyle. They dont have one!.. Not easy to change when you have had a successful career and large family, grand-kids etc . I just Swim , cant stand Gyms, the smell or the big mouths that pose there generally.

[fredwiggy]

12 minutes ago, simon43 said:

OP, unless I've missed it, you really need to tell us what you eat/drink every day, what your lifestyle is, what exercise you do etc.

 

I'm a scientist, and I know that energy cannot be conjured up out of thin air.  If you get fat (or remain fat), then the mantra that has been repeated a million times holds true.  The energy that creates that fat has to come from somewhere.  Energy doesn't seep through your skin - it essentially comes from your food/drink intake.  If you consume more energy (calories) than you use (through simply surviving and daily activities), then that excess energy will be stored as fat in your body - it's that simple!  You can alter that outcome by either taking in less energy, which doesn't have to mean eating less, but can mean changing the kinds of food you eat so that you consume less calories, but maintain/increase your mineral/vitamin/fibre/things-what-is-good-for-your-body intake.

 

You can also also alter the energy equation balance by burning off excess energy through exercise, which will also ensure that you maintain healthy muscles and heart muscle.  I'm not a health freak and enjoy beer and sugary foods on occasion.  But I'm also aware of my own body energy needs.  I need to exercise daily to ensure that I maintain the balance of energy in, energy out.

That;s just it, he hasn't said a word about what he's done to "melt" fat off. with the exception that he can eat donuts and still lose weight. I, like you, and others here, already know what is necessary to stay lean. The body, as complex as it is, is pretty simple as far as storing too much fat. If you eat too many carbohydrates, your body has to burn them before it burns stored fat. If you continue to eat too many carbs, especially empty sugar calories, you'll get fatter.

[NotYourBusiness]

34 minutes ago, simon43 said:

OP, unless I've missed it, you really need to tell us what you eat/drink every day, what your lifestyle is, what exercise you do etc.

 

I'm a scientist, and I know that energy cannot be conjured up out of thin air.  If you get fat (or remain fat), then the mantra that has been repeated a million times holds true.  The energy that creates that fat has to come from somewhere.  Energy doesn't seep through your skin - it essentially comes from your food/drink intake.  If you consume more energy (calories) than you use (through simply surviving and daily activities), then that excess energy will be stored as fat in your body - it's that simple!  You can alter that outcome by either taking in less energy, which doesn't have to mean eating less, but can mean changing the kinds of food you eat so that you consume less calories, but maintain/increase your mineral/vitamin/fibre/things-what-is-good-for-your-body intake.

 

You can also also alter the energy equation balance by burning off excess energy through exercise, which will also ensure that you maintain healthy muscles and heart muscle.  I'm not a health freak and enjoy beer and sugary foods on occasion.  But I'm also aware of my own body energy needs.  I need to exercise daily to ensure that I maintain the balance of energy in, energy out.

OK thanks, see bolded text. I have just showed you how it is NOT that simple! LOW INSULIN, IF YOU CAN ACHIEVE IT, PREVENTS IT!! Even you eat whatever you want, it will NOT BE STORED AS FAT!!  It's THAT simple!!!!!

Edited June 27, 2020 by NotYourBusiness

[pineapple01]

The Speed they gave Air Crews to take for the Home Runs after long range missions kept yer weight down. 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

OK guys, in an attempt to calm the masses, here is another strong hint. I have already asked you, what is common in both photos? And there was one or two posts who had the right answer.

 

What is common about both photos is they both have uncontrolled insulin levels. Therefore, their weight is not in control. The babies on the right have high insulin due to exposure in the womb. They are fat NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO. The man on the right has diabetes before insulin was available. HE IS SKINNY NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES. These pictures are incredibly important because we FORGET that this is what the result of low insulin looks like. We forget because modern medical interventions quickly address the problem and we never see it anymore at this stage. Low insulin PREVENTS your body from absorbing nutrients, even if you are eating them. You see? It's not just about diet and exercise. There are other factors. No one is suggesting that we want to get diabetes. What this showed me was if I want to lose weight easily, I need to get my insulin levels down. That is MUCH more important than any diet or exercise.

 

Here is another clue. Which of the symptoms interested me? You guessed it. That got me very curious. This is UNEXPLAINED weight loss. It says you are eating MORE, and still losing weight. Bingo!

 

Now FRED, please pay attention. It says EATING MORE, and LOSING WEIGHT. That is what I want to do!

 

Now NYB, please pay attention. This has all been said before, especially about diabetes, My brother died from it, my wife has it, and i understand it very well. Not knowing when that man's picture was from,before insulin was available, tells us nothing about what he was suffering from. My wife's mom eats quite a bit, has diabetes and takes insulin. She weighs 40kg. This is because here in Thailand, they don't provide here with blood sugar checkers but just give her insulin to take by shots daily. Her blood sugar was 258 fasting the other day, which shows they aren't doing what they should as far as giving her the tests and amount of insulin she needs. YOU said you didn't have any disease. If you had said you had hyperinsulinemia, it would have been easy to understand, but you said you are eating whatever you want, and losing weight. Having what you have and not getting the medicine you need, is taking a risk with your health. I suspected my wife had diabetes a long time now because she was always tired, slept too much and was irritable for no reason. She always ate well, exercised and didn't drink too much water. I asked her to get her blood sugar checked, and it was 207 fasting the first time, 197 the second and 174 the third. That's diabetes, so we went to the hospital for more tests and now she takes metformin, which I hate because of the side effects but there isn't much else to can do.

[NotYourBusiness]

Going back to the OP, I believe that 90% of obese people have a chemical imbalance that number one, makes them hungry all the time, which makes sticking to any diet impossible. And number two, easily packs on the pounds for whatever they DO eat. Impossible for them to be successful without addressing the underlying ROOT CAUSE.

 

Do your own research. There is a way that is far easier and works far better than the failed mantra "eat less, exercise more". Please stop leading people down this dead end. No I am not a troll. I am living proof.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

OK thanks, see bolded text. I have just showed you how it is NOT that simple! LOW INSULIN, IF YOU CAN ACHIEVE IT, PREVENTS IT!! Even you eat whatever you want, it will NOT BE STORED AS FAT!!  It's THAT simple!!!!!

I think I said this before, but you can get another opinion here....................https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/14-ways-to-lower-insulin

[NotYourBusiness]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Now NYB, please pay attention. This has all been said before, especially about diabetes, My brother died from it, my wife has it, and i understand it very well. Not knowing when that man's picture was from,before insulin was available, tells us nothing about what he was suffering from. My wife's mom eats quite a bit, has diabetes and takes insulin. She weighs 40kg. This is because here in Thailand, they don't provide here with blood sugar checkers but just give her insulin to take by shots daily. Her blood sugar was 258 fasting the other day, which shows they aren't doing what they should as far as giving her the tests and amount of insulin she needs. YOU said you didn't have any disease. If you had said you had hyperinsulinemia, it would have been easy to understand, but you said you are eating whatever you want, and losing weight. Having what you have and not getting the medicine you need, is taking a risk with your health. I suspected my wife had diabetes a long time now because she was always tired, slept too much and was irritable for no reason. She always ate well, exercised and didn't drink too much water. I asked her to get her blood sugar checked, and it was 207 fasting the first time, 197 the second and 174 the third. That's diabetes, so we went to the hospital for more tests and now she takes metformin, which I hate because of the side effects but there isn't much else to can do.

Sorry to hear about health problems, but you didn't address anything I said. Which is that lower insulin causes you to lose weight REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU EAT. I completely REJECT the calories in, calories out nonsense, There is a lesson there.

[simon43]

Even you eat whatever you want, it will NOT BE STORED AS FAT!!  It's THAT simple!!!!!

 

So assuming that you're not exercising like crazy, where does that excess energy go?  'Cos my science hat says that it is impossible to create energy and it is impossible to destroy it - you can only change one form of energy into another, such as from chemical (stored) energy into kinetic energy (movement, ie exercise).  

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

Going back to the OP, I believe that 90% of obese people have a chemical imbalance that number one, makes them hungry all the time, which makes sticking to any diet impossible. And number two, easily packs on the pounds for whatever they DO eat. Impossible for them to be successful without addressing the underlying ROOT CAUSE.

 

Do your own research. There is a way that is far easier and works far better than the failed mantra "eat less, exercise more". Please stop leading people down this dead end. No I am not a troll. I am living proof.

90% of people do not have low insulin levels, or insulin resistance. Most people eat more than their bodies can burn off. You think, looking back 100 years, where most people weren't obese, now all of a sudden, now most people are, is because of insulin resistance? It's not a failed mantra. people are basically lazy creatures, not wanting to do what's necessary to get leaner bodies.

Edited June 27, 2020 by fredwiggy

[NotYourBusiness]

9 minutes ago, simon43 said:

 

So assuming that you're not exercising like crazy, where does that excess energy go?  'Cos my science hat says that it is impossible to create energy and it is impossible to destroy it - you can only change one form of energy into another, such as from chemical (stored) energy into kinetic energy (movement, ie exercise).  

Hello Simon, thank you great question. It seems you are quite reasonable and always learning new things. With low insulin, your body simply cannot absorb the energy. It is digested, it goes into your blood stream, but the cells cannot utilize it without insulin. It exits your body in stool and urine. Your body cannot absorb it.

 

This is not digital, it's analog. The lower we can get out insulin, the less our body will absorb from what we eat.

 

So the key is (which is what I have successfully done), is to get your insulin lower. Without addressing that, without doing that, this is why most people will fail at diet and exercise. Forget everything else you think you know about weight loss (this means you FRED). All your advice did not work, but getting my insulin down WORKED!

Edited June 27, 2020 by NotYourBusiness