Don’t put profit before safety by allowing foreign tourists to return to Thailand too soon, warns doctor

[patsfangr]

14 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Profit before safety is basically the national religion. 

I am far from a prude, and, no, I won't give examples to prove it. I fully support re-opening restaurants and bars, along with most other businesses, with reasonable precautions required. But I honestly do not understand how "soapy massages" can be called anything other than sexual activities. Anyone care to counter that?

[pixelaoffy]

No faith in Thai doctor Thurs and most of Thai medical profession ! 

[patsfangr]

12 hours ago, sezze said:

Sure , but road accidents are not infectious .

The frequency of them CAN, however, be significantly reduced by government action. It's called LAW ENFORCEMENT. Where is it?! 

[patsfangr]

27 minutes ago, Knocker33 said:

I was saying the same yesterday plus why is Trump continually bought into to threads which have absolutely nothing to do with him. I wish the yanks would just accept they've got another 4years of him

Even the crude, bombastic Trump is far preferable to the totalitarian socialism of the current Democrat Party in the USA. For those who vote for an agenda, rather than a personality, it's not even close! 

[dougiemac52]

14 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

Why do people compare Thailand, with no "alleged" internal cases for 33 days, with a country pretty well ravaged by Covid-19 ? It just doesn't make any sense at all.

It's no reported cases but we all know Thailands methods of denial. How many people in the farming communities can afford 7000 thb to get tested for Covid 19. Also the thai government don't have a clue, 1 foot social distancing, really, there is a reason for the 6 foot but numtys in Thailand and the rest of the world just only care about profit. I am married to a thai lady and this is stretching us big style. All I want is to get to see her, but I will not go from one lockdown to another, there is no sense in this at all. I am happy to be tested before leaving and on arrival but I also want the chance to go to my wife's village well out of the road of bangkok

[robbioff]

13 hours ago, warcy said:

Thai people are too paranoid. The chances of them dying from road accidents is higher than the virus.

The problem with Thais is that they’re far too gullible. Like a lot of ThaiVisa Covid warriors, they believe all the hype from the media and government, and scaremongers like this doctor, and the manipulated statistics from around the world.

https://www.corbettreport.com/james-corbett-documents-the-collapse-of-the-covid-1984-narrative/

[RICO86]

Good Doctors and government officials! When can you pay all our bills?? millions out of work and have lost everything.. ???? will hit the fan soon... People die everyday from many causes example YOUR ROADS ????????

Family's first!!!   

Edited June 28, 2020 by RICO86

[steelepulse]

12 hours ago, sezze said:

Sure , but road accidents are not infectious .

Are you sure?  You've not seen chain reaction accidents?  One bad driver infects all those following him to create a pile up.

 

Thing is with accidents, the idiots that cause these quite often maim  or kill others through their <deleted> driving.

[bbi1]

The doctor is right, Thailand shouldn't open up it's borders to foreigners for the next few months at least. They should extend the amnesty for current tourists here for another few months as the ones here are guaranteed to be Covid-free and the only source of foreign tourist dollars. When opening up they should only make a travel bubble with countries with low or no local Covid transmissions. Especially don't let the Yanks, Brazilians or others with huge Covid numbers in until the end of 2021 at the minimum, that would be plain stupidity any country in the world did that.

[rtco]

12 hours ago, sezze said:

Sure , but road accidents are not infectious .

Bad driving is infectious in Thailand ... everyone sees everyone else do so they do it as well ... that's an infection

[Scouse123]

13 hours ago, sezze said:

Sure , but road accidents are not infectious .

No road accidents are not infectious, well done on that observation . 

 

But if studies are to be believed the overwhelming majority of people survive infection of Coronavirus.

 

The main groups, not talking about exceptions to the norm, are elderly. Infirm, those with underlying health conditions, etc

 

The whole world has been brought to a halt and economies trashed for a virus that has not even totalled the amount of deaths caused from annual flu globally.

 

A giant knee jerk over reaction for which the poorest in countries will suffer for years and years, made worse by governments that misunderstand the ramifications of what they are doing, and scientists and professionals in medicine sending out confusing and opposite messages to the media.

 

It doesn't help when heads of government deny the virus is a problem as in USA and Brazil, then we have Sweden letting it run its course and doing nothing, Europe opening back up come what may and Thailand and others extend lockdown if somebody sneezes.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Scouse123

[ravip]

Don’t put profit before safety by allowing foreign tourists to return to Thailand too soon, warns doctor.

 

Now it is your chance dear TVF COVID-19 experts.

Correct the doctor (insult & bash him in the process) and give your sterling advice on how to tackle this situation in the most positive manner.

[Scouse123]

13 hours ago, ravip said:

So, just opening up the country for all foreigners, without quarantine is advisable?

????

 

I honestly do not think anybody is saying that at all, unless your Swedish!

 

Taking certain precautions as most governments have recommended, social distancing, hand washing, masks, safe spaces, are all, it seems proven methods of reducing infection.

 

However, hitting the beaches on sunny weekends, attending BLM, marches, mass protests for any reason, mass gatherings are not recommended and should not be taking place. Every time they do, they reverse all the good work that months of hard work and lockdown done by the majority have achieved.

 

 

[stephenterry]

It's inevitable that once Thailand opens up its land, sea and air borders - even only allowing low risk visitors - that infection WILL occur, as is the case globally. However, Thailand has one key advantage in that quarantining, tracking and tracing won't be overloaded by beginning with a current zero infection rate. 

 

Although I hate the terminology of herd immunity - apart from a vaccine or a decline in the Covid infection severity - a plausible solution to death containment and restoration of economies, could be that young people (minimal global death rates) could be exposed, while old people (material death rates) are 'protected' by self isolation measures. 

 

  

[patsfangr]

16 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

No road accidents are not infectious, well done on that observation . 

 

But if studies are to be believed the overwhelming majority of people survive infection of Coronavirus.

 

The main groups, not talking about exceptions to the norm, are elderly. Infirm, those with underlying health conditions, etc

 

The whole world has been brought to a halt and economies trashed for a virus that has not even totalled the amount of deaths caused from annual flu globally.

 

A giant knee jerk over reaction for which the poorest in countries will suffer for years and years, made worse by governments that misunderstand the ramifications of what they are doing, and scientists and professionals in medicine sending out confusing and opposite messages to the media.

 

It doesn't help when heads of government deny the virus is a problem as in USA and Brazil, then we have Sweden letting it run its course and doing nothing, Europe opening back up come what may and Thailand and others extend lockdown if somebody sneezes.

 

 

 

 

 

You are totally ignorant to suggest that the "heads of government deny the virus is a problem in the USA". Trump totally focused the US government on creating a massive prevention, testing and treatment process for COVID-19; beginning with shutting off flights from China back in January, with Europe not far behind. BILLIONS of dollars were dedicated to the testing and treatment efforts nationwide; and the economy was widely shut down from March through mid-June, with only sporadic, controlled re-opening still in process. How the hell can you call that "denying" that the virus is a problem? Shame on you for spreading such a salacious LIE! 

[Paiman]

32 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

The doctor is right, Thailand shouldn't open up it's borders to foreigners for the next few months at least. They should extend the amnesty for current tourists here for another few months as the ones here are guaranteed to be Covid-free and the only source of foreign tourist dollars. When opening up they should only make a travel bubble with countries with low or no local Covid transmissions. Especially don't let the Yanks, Brazilians or others with huge Covid numbers in until the end of 2021 at the minimum, that would be plain stupidity any country in the world did that.

You have to look at the big picture.

 

I think more people are suffering because loss of job than because of the virus.

 

It is not like you are going outside and stepping over dead bodies, there is no raging virus.

 

Life needs to be worth living for those alive. 

[patsfangr]

6 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

I honestly do not think anybody is saying that at all, unless your Swedish!

 

Taking certain precautions as most governments have recommended, social distancing, hand washing, masks, safe spaces, are all, it seems proven methods of reducing infection.

 

However, hitting the beaches on sunny weekends, attending BLM, marches, mass protests for any reason, mass gatherings are not recommended and should not be taking place. Every time they do, they reverse all the good work that months of hard work and lockdown done by the majority have achieved.

 

 

By the way, ALL of the BLM protests and riots are in total opposition to the US government. It is all part of a socialist revolution now taking place in the USA, using massively exaggerated "racial prejudice" as an excuse for disruption and destruction of the American economy, and ultimately, the entire American political system. Please don't try to paint it as some sort of government failure in the fight against the spread of COVID-19. It is totally unrelated to that fight. 

[Scouse123]

1 minute ago, patsfangr said:

You are totally ignorant to suggest that the "heads of government deny the virus is a problem in the USA". Trump totally focused the US government on creating a massive prevention, testing and treatment process for COVID-19; beginning with shutting off flights from China back in January, with Europe not far behind. BILLIONS of dollars were dedicated to the testing and treatment efforts nationwide; and the economy was widely shut down from March through mid-June, with only sporadic, controlled re-opening still in process. How the hell can you call that "denying" that the virus is a problem? Shame on you for spreading such a salacious LIE! 

 

 

Obviously a massive Trump supporter in our midst.

 

Even his own party are distancing themselves from his rhetoric. I have listened to him myself when he has been disagreeing with all the evidence and at one stage he was implying it was no worse than a bout of seasonal cold and flu. Well, in the USA it's turned out a lot more than that hasn't it unfortunately!

 

Regards testing, Trump is now annoyed at the amount of testing going on as it is showing the virus is spreading far greater than he said it would. Furthermore, holding indoor rallies for his re election and refusing to wear a mask in public is hardly setting a good example for the rest of the nation to follow.

 

A bit ' wide of the mark ' calling my comments, which are shared by many more ' a salacious lie ' A plain daft response in fact by a person in denial.

 

Anyway, if it continues, let's hope it doesn't, maybe Biden can sort it out better.

[Scouse123]

8 minutes ago, patsfangr said:

By the way, ALL of the BLM protests and riots are in total opposition to the US government. It is all part of a socialist revolution now taking place in the USA, using massively exaggerated "racial prejudice" as an excuse for disruption and destruction of the American economy, and ultimately, the entire American political system. Please don't try to paint it as some sort of government failure in the fight against the spread of COVID-19. It is totally unrelated to that fight. 

 

No, I am not,

 

I will rephrase then.

 

What I was saying, is mass gatherings etc don't help the Coronavirus pandemic.

 

I am no fan of the BLM marches, destruction of peoples property and livelihoods in the US or the UK, and totally agree with you that I feel the ' Racial card ' has been blown out of all proportion.

 

What I was saying, is Trump is not really the man you want leading the charge as he never pours water on a fire, it's always gasoline and it is the wrong approach right now. He is the worst you have ever had in oratory skills in the US history of presidents

 

And lastly, I am no socialist, 100%

 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Scouse123

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Also he urged that people like businessmen, skilled labourers and returning expats with families be closely monitored and quarantined to prevent a renewed spread of coronavirus.

So will that include all the business men coming here for the car expo in mid July, because if it does they best get over here now, so they'll be out of quarantine in time for the show!!

[patsfangr]

1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Obviously a massive Trump supporter in our midst.

 

Even his own party are distancing themselves from his rhetoric. I have listened to him myself when he has been disagreeing with all the evidence and at one stage he was implying it was no worse than a bout of seasonal cold and flu. Well, in the USA it's turned out a lot more than that hasn't it unfortunately!

 

Regards testing, Trump is now annoyed at the amount of testing going on as it is showing the virus is spreading far greater than he said it would. Furthermore, holding indoor rallies for his re election and refusing to wear a mask in public is hardly setting a good example for the rest of the nation to follow.

 

A bit ' wide of the mark ' calling my comments, which are shared by many more ' a salacious lie ' A plain daft response in fact by a person in denial.

 

Anyway, if it continues, let's hope it doesn't, maybe Biden can sort it out better.

I won't argue American politics with a British liberal. But I do wish that you'd get your facts straight. The specific details that I outlined regarding Trump's actions are absolute FACT! - The travel restrictions; shut down of the economy; nationwide testing; massive manufacture and distribution of testing equipment and PPE; construction of temporary hospital facilities - ALL of these things are FACTS. All initiated and managed by the Trump administration, at a cost of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of American tax dollars. If you want to criticize Trump, fine. But have the ethical decency to acknowledge the facts before launching such criticism. 

[ravip]

17 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

I honestly do not think anybody is saying that at all, unless your Swedish!

 

Taking certain precautions as most governments have recommended, social distancing, hand washing, masks, safe spaces, are all, it seems proven methods of reducing infection.

 

However, hitting the beaches on sunny weekends, attending BLM, marches, mass protests for any reason, mass gatherings are not recommended and should not be taking place. Every time they do, they reverse all the good work that months of hard work and lockdown done by the majority have achieved.

 

 

Agree 100%

Once the COVID-19 situation is under control in any country, they have to be extremely cautious of opening their doors to foreigners/tourists, especially without a strict quarantine procedure.

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, miamiman123 said:

Opening SCHOOLS in on July 3/4 ?????

please explain to me how in the world are they going to have 20 MAXIMUM students per class??? Any more than that is not safe.

the schools especially the government schools do NOT have the space or ability for 20 PER class. They now have 35/40 per class. Impossible 

The same w EP SCHOOLS HERE. No way 20 max per class need 2 times the teachers and 2 times the class rooms. Impossible and NO profit for EP Schools 

My son has just gone up from M3 to M4. He was in M1, M2, M3 in the last 3 years and there were only 25 in his class then.

 

We won't know about his M4 class until he comes home from his first day on Wednesday.

[dave moir]

At least someone with a bit sense!

[Scouse123]

3 minutes ago, patsfangr said:

I won't argue American politics with a British liberal. But I do wish that you'd get your facts straight. The specific details that I outlined regarding Trump's actions are absolute FACT! - The travel restrictions; shut down of the economy; nationwide testing; massive manufacture and distribution of testing equipment and PPE; construction of temporary hospital facilities - ALL of these things are FACTS. All initiated and managed by the Trump administration, at a cost of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of American tax dollars. If you want to criticize Trump, fine. But have the ethical decency to acknowledge the facts before launching such criticism. 

 

 

Take a chill pill, put your ' Let's make America great again ' hat away and prepare for Biden to sweep the board to power this year. 

 

Just get used to it, because it's going to happen.

 

The reaction by the Trump government with lockdown, was too little, way too late, just the same as the UK , only you won't take off your rose tinted specs and accept it. He is more interested now in his polling statistics than he is in handling the Covid19 pandemic.

[patsfangr]

3 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

No, I am not,

 

I will rephrase then.

 

What I was saying, is mass gatherings etc don't help the Coronavirus pandemic.

 

I am no fan of the BLM marches, destruction of peoples property and livelihoods in the US or the UK, and totally agree with you that I feel the ' Racial card ' has been blown out of all proportion.

 

What I was saying, is Trump is not really the man you want leading the charge as he never pouts water on a fire, it's always gasoline and it is the wrong approach right now.

 

And lastly, I am no socialist, 100%

OK. My apologies for (somewhat) mislabeling your political position. 

 

I must also correct your definition of me as a "Trump supporter" - 100%. I did not vote for him in the Republican Primary election. I do not like his demeanor or most of his methods. What I am is a constitutional conservative. I am 100% opposed to socialism (and its communist roots). So much so that I overlook Trumps personality flaws without a second thought to prevent the socialist takeover of the USA. The election of the senile old fool, Biden, would put a useless figurehead in the White House, and give total control of the government to the extreme left wing gang that is now in full control of the Democrat Party. I would prefer another Republican over Trump as our President. Lacking that possibility, I will vote for Trump over ANY DEMOCRAT! I hope we're clear on that issue. 

[Scouse123]

1 minute ago, patsfangr said:

OK. My apologies for (somewhat) mislabeling your political position. 

 

I must also correct your definition of me as a "Trump supporter" - 100%. I did not vote for him in the Republican Primary election. I do not like his demeanor or most of his methods. What I am is a constitutional conservative. I am 100% opposed to socialism (and its communist roots). So much so that I overlook Trumps personality flaws without a second thought to prevent the socialist takeover of the USA. The election of the senile old fool, Biden, would put a useless figurehead in the White House, and give total control of the government to the extreme left wing gang that is now in full control of the Democrat Party. I would prefer another Republican over Trump as our President. Lacking that possibility, I will vote for Trump over ANY DEMOCRAT! I hope we're clear on that issue. 

 

Yes,

 

But it's too late.

 

Biden has been selected and he will win unfortunately for you.

 

Trump has been out of control for way too long and that has cost you the election.

[bbi1]

18 minutes ago, Paiman said:

You have to look at the big picture.

 

I think more people are suffering because loss of job than because of the virus.

 

It is not like you are going outside and stepping over dead bodies, there is no raging virus.

 

Life needs to be worth living for those alive. 

Yanks (and other countries etc.) can continue "living their lives" in their own country, until the day they end up dying from Covid19 from their own stupidity of not wearing masks, not social distancing, doing stupid protests/riots/looting/violence. Others in the world don't want Covid19 spreading from all those high Covid19 countries.

[Jeffro008]

13 hours ago, sezze said:

Sure , but road accidents are not infectious .

they are in a way infectious in other words lol, follow rules and pay attention to what all are doing around driver and what drivers are doing on the roads lol 

[TheFishman1]

Maybe just like the Chinese come back TIT