UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Nice to see you've managed to pull yourself away from your PlayStation, however the PlayStations 'EUs game of Golf 1973' has been superseded by 'World Cup Rugby,' the EU have changed the game without telling anyone, but would still like the game to be called EUs Game of Golf just for its marketing strategy.

 

Because they can. And you can always play mini golf or go back to your game boy. 

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

I personally thought Netherlands but Nigel Farage I assume knows better?

 

 

 

 

 

As a MEP for over twenty years he has the credentials to tell you who it would be. Sadly it seems the Dutch don't have the gonads and are quite happy to be the Germans whipping boy, as usual.

[nauseus]

18 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes but those trade deals between the EU and other nations involve tariffs on many items.

Why would the EU allow tariff free trade between the UK and itself if the UK was able to undercut the standards imposed on the EU's own businesses? 

 

My point is we cannot pretend the UK is looking for a level playing field. The UK wants the benefits of access to the EU markets without having to comply to EU standards.

If you want in the club you have to adhere to the clubs rules.   

I don't think that the UK wants the benefits of access to the EU markets without having to comply to EU standards - the UK already uses those standards - the main issues are as I previously described.

[vogie]

32 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Because they can. And you can always play mini golf or go back to your game boy. 

"Because they can" well obviously they can't or else the UK would not be leaving your Jolly Boys Club, stand by for other departures too. However I am astounded by your knowledge of toys.

[welovesundaysatspace]

28 minutes ago, vogie said:

"Because they can" well obviously they can't or else the UK would not be leaving your Jolly Boys Club,
 

You’re mixing up cause and effect. It’s two different things. 

 

28 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

stand by for other departures too.

It’s on the list of things that Brexiteers promised, just below the easiest deal in history and all the other trade deals. Timeframe: “wait for it”

 

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

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With all the empty pedestals following the BLM vandalism, maybe a statue of David Frost would be apt.

 

 

Best erect it at the bottom of the Thames, save time.????????

[david555]

So … who go be the next U.K. negotiator ?…there have bin a few already ….any other wish to try his luck ? ????

Edited July 3, 2020 by david555

[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

I personally thought Netherlands but Nigel Farage I assume knows better?

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Who will leave the European Union next?

According to Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage, Brexit will have a massive impact on the EU, with Mr Farage predicting the bloc will collapse “within 10 years”.

Mr Farage told Parliament Magazine that Italy, Poland and Denmark would be next three countries to potentially leave the EU.

He said he will continue to campaign “all over Europe” against the EU in the coming months and years.

Of Italy, Poland and Denmark Mr Farage declared: “They are the frontrunners.”

 

"He said he will continue to campaign “all over Europe” against the EU in the coming months and years." Total idiocy from the conman.

Nigel Farage got treated appropriately when he came to Edinburgh, another part of Britain. 

Does anyone with a brain seriously believe that he would be welcomed by the ordinary people of other countries in the EU.....seriously.......... much more likely to be drowned in a vat of Brandy, or ratatouille.

 

This stat shows that the EU has become MORE popular with its voters, probably as a result of  watching the UK making such a mess of it.

 

What is it that leads people to such petty bitterness that makes them want other countries to do badly, whatever organisation they are part of, so childish.  So if Thailand leaves ASEAN do we expect the Thais to spend their time wishing Malasia, Singapore etc to do badly. 

 

I would like to see all countries do well, particularly with the vast problems they will face post Covid. 

 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

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Who will leave the European Union next?

According to Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage, Brexit will have a massive impact on the EU, with Mr Farage predicting the bloc will collapse “within 10 years”.

Mr Farage told Parliament Magazine that Italy, Poland and Denmark would be next three countries to potentially leave the EU.

He said he will continue to campaign “all over Europe” against the EU in the coming months and years.

Of Italy, Poland and Denmark Mr Farage declared: “They are the frontrunners.”

 

"He said he will continue to campaign “all over Europe” against the EU in the coming months and years." Total idiocy from the conman.

Nigel Farage got treated appropriately when he came to Edinburgh, another part of Britain. 

Does anyone with a brain seriously believe that he would be welcomed by the ordinary people of other countries in the EU.....seriously.......... much more likely to be drowned in a vat of Brandy, or ratatouille.

 

This stat shows that the EU has become MORE popular with its voters, probably as a result of  watching the UK making such a mess of it.

 

What is it that leads people to such petty bitterness that makes them want other countries to do badly, whatever organisation they are part of, so childish.  So if Thailand leaves ASEAN do we expect the Thais to spend their time wishing Malasia, Singapore etc to do badly. 

 

I would like to see all countries do well, particularly with the vast problems they will face post Covid. 

 

The ESS. Literally an EU set up but with the UK paying in most of the cash, while still being expected to report to the EU Commission!

 

https://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/docs/about/ERIC-ESS-OJ-30-November-2013.pdf

[johnpetersen]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's good to see that Barnier is keeping up with his ridiculous demands. The fact that no country could ever sign up to such a lopsided agreement means a No deal Brexit is looking increasingly likely, thanks Michel . I always though a level of integration similar to that which Australia has with the EU was an excellent model for us Great Britons.

 

It's been over 4 years now but all good things come to those who wait.

 

With all the empty pedestals following the BLM vandalism, maybe a statue of David Frost would be apt.

 

 

No country? What about Norway or Switzerland? They seem to be doing fine.

[david555]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The ESS. Literally an EU set up but with the UK paying in most of the cash, while still being expected to report to the EU Commission!

 

https://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/docs/about/ERIC-ESS-OJ-30-November-2013.pdf

appreciated , thanks ???? ????

Edited July 3, 2020 by david555

[tomacht8]

In return for largely unimpeded access by British companies to the European single market, the EU requires Britain to continue to accept EU social, environmental or consumer standards. This is to avoid distortions of competition.

 

The UK refused.

It is annoying to see how much concessions the EU has already made.

For a third country full market access without consideration?

It is really no longer clear why special treatment is always given for the UK.

 

End the senseless negotiations.

No free EU market access for the UK. Trade only according to WTO rules.

This is the best medicine for the UK.

[david555]

( Controversial Brexit checks Boris Johnson insisted would not apply to trade across the Irish Sea have emerged ????...)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/02/first-details-emerge-of-system-for-checks-on-goods-crossing-irish-sea

 

First details emerge of system for checks on goods crossing Irish Sea
HMRC document shows firms in Great Britain will be obliged to complete three types of electronic paperwork

 

The first details of the controversial Brexit checks Boris Johnson insisted would not apply to trade across the Irish Sea have emerged, with mandatory paperwork for businesses in Great Britain supplying goods to Northern Ireland from January.

An HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) document marked “sensitive”, seen by the Guardian, reveals that firms in Great Britain will be obliged to complete three rounds of customs, security and transit forms on all goods.
The electronic documents will need to be completed whether there is a Brexit trade deal or not and will apply to all suppliers.

An 11-page slide presentation from HMRC, outlining the new system, states: “To achieve customs control, we need to ensure that all goods are presented and declared to customs.”

 

more details...

Edited July 3, 2020 by david555

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Best erect it at the bottom of the Thames, save time.????????

Given the Remainer's predisposition to ignore Democratic process and the wishes of the majority, that's an excellent point ????.

 

I'd like to think they wouldn't stoop to the levels of BLM vandalism/mob rule though.

[vogie]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It’s on the list of things that Brexiteers promised, just below the easiest deal in history and all the other trade deals. Timeframe: “wait for it”

 

There's nothing easier than just walking away, Mr Barnier has had his chance, he could not negotiate his way out of a brown paper bag.

This is the man that will have the Eumainers digging deeper into their pockets.

 

 

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

There's nothing easier than just walking away, Mr Barnier has had his chance, he could not negotiate his way out of a brown paper bag.

This is the man that will have the Eumainers digging deeper into their pockets.

 

 

Nor should he need to make a deal. UK wants out so out it goes. Its obvious its the UK that wants a deal. Its not obvious EU does.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Nor should he need to make a deal. UK wants out so out it goes. Its obvious its the UK that wants a deal. Its not obvious EU does.

We are already out, this is what happens afterwards and if you think that it is not obvious that the EU doesn't want a deal, then you should seriously think again.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

In return for largely unimpeded access by British companies to the European single market, the EU requires Britain to continue to accept EU social, environmental or consumer standards. This is to avoid distortions of competition.

 

The UK refused.

It is annoying to see how much concessions the EU has already made.

For a third country full market access without consideration?

It is really no longer clear why special treatment is always given for the UK.

 

End the senseless negotiations.

No free EU market access for the UK. Trade only according to WTO rules.

This is the best medicine for the UK.

There we go with the "distortions of competition" again. It's the EU restrictions which are keeping all of them noncompetitive, be they EU standards, or external trade and tariffs. They won't like it up 'em when we do trade freely with the rest of the world.

How many concessions have the EU already made on this? They barely 'allowed' us leave without a fight which is not quite over yet. The full market access is not without consideration. The consideration is full access to the UK market - you know that lovely export of 372 Billion quids worth of EU exports. That's enough for special treatment.

Happy to end the 'senseless negotiations' right now and go straight to No Deal. However there will be a few EU states who need a spoon full of sugar with their medicine. Sugar in the UK will become cheaper as the EU tariff is lifted.

[david555]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

We are already out, this is what happens afterwards and if you think that it is not obvious that the EU doesn't want a deal, then you should seriously think again.

No , the E.U. does not want  a free loader deal for U.K. with same privilege's as before when member of the club  ….but no membership to pay ….dream scenario from brexiteers ….forget it chaps  

[Rookiescot]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

We are already out, this is what happens afterwards and if you think that it is not obvious that the EU doesn't want a deal, then you should seriously think again.

There is not going to be any deal.

This should make you guys happy.

[Mavideol]

18 minutes ago, vogie said:

We are already out, this is what happens afterwards and if you think that it is not obvious that the EU doesn't want a deal, then you should seriously think again.

how hard is it for you to let it go.... no deal it's ok for the EU, why can't you guys admit UK negotiators failure

[Rookiescot]

37 minutes ago, vogie said:

There's nothing easier than just walking away, Mr Barnier has had his chance, he could not negotiate his way out of a brown paper bag.

This is the man that will have the Eumainers digging deeper into their pockets.

 

 

Does anyone still believe anything this guy says?

Basically he just said he had friends and colleagues in Europe. Thats a whopper for a start.

Says he "thinks" we can still get a very good deal and then says getting no deal is good too.

The ONLY thing he really wants is to get passporting for financial services in return for fishing access. 

Thats what is really going on. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

No , the E.U. does not want  a free loader deal for U.K. with same privilege's as before when member of the club  ….but no membership to pay ….dream scenario from brexiteers ….forget it chaps  

To suggest that the UK is a "free loader" is totally harebrained. We are the EUs largest customer, now should the EU wish to lose a customer of such then that is totally up to them.

The EU has never been a club, the clubs that I have been affiliated to in the past have always had their members paying equal subscriptions and not paying their members for being in that club like the EU does to other countries.

[Mavideol]

the major cause for the UK negotiators failure it's mainly due to not follow the master of the deal advise... they should have brought him in, he did offer "free" advise to Theresa May

[david555]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Does anyone still believe anything this guy says?

Basically he just said he had friends and colleagues in Europe. Thats a whopper for a start.

Says he "thinks" we can still get a very good deal and then says getting no deal is good too.

The ONLY thing he really wants is to get passporting for financial services in return for fishing access. 

Thats what is really going on. 

you forgot the "no border in the Irish sea ,,,," pledge  to mention ???? …. and so many more of his big words and promises ….. but he get away with it  …. says more of the I.Q. from his voters  ????

Edited July 3, 2020 by david555

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

To suggest that the UK is a "free loader" is totally harebrained. We are the EUs largest customer, now should the EU wish to lose a customer of such then that is totally up to them.

The EU has never been a club, the clubs that I have been affiliated to in the past have always had their members paying equal subscriptions and not paying their members for being in that club like the EU does to other countries.

ok, here we go with the blaming again... it's not us it's them, they kick us out !!!!!!!!

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how hard is it for you to let it go.... no deal it's ok for the EU, why can't you guys admit UK negotiators failure

You keep telling yourself that Mavideol, one day you might even start to believe it.

[Opl]

20 minutes ago, Loiner said:

There we go with the "distortions of competition" again. It's the EU restrictions which are keeping all of them noncompetitive, be they EU standards, or external trade and tariffs. They won't like it up 'em when we do trade freely with the rest of the world.

How many concessions have the EU already made on this? They barely 'allowed' us leave without a fight which is not quite over yet. The full market access is not without consideration. The consideration is full access to the UK market - you know that lovely export of 372 Billion quids worth of EU exports. That's enough for special treatment.

Happy to end the 'senseless negotiations' right now and go straight to No Deal. However there will be a few EU states who need a spoon full of sugar with their medicine. Sugar in the UK will become cheaper as the EU tariff is lifted.

these are the joy and happiness of a blind Brexit

[Sujo]

30 minutes ago, vogie said:

We are already out, this is what happens afterwards and if you think that it is not obvious that the EU doesn't want a deal, then you should seriously think again.

I said its not obvious the EU does want to. So you are agreeing.

[tomacht8]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

There we go with the "distortions of competition" again. It's the EU restrictions which are keeping all of them noncompetitive, be they EU standards, or external trade and tariffs. They won't like it up 'em when we do trade freely with the rest of the world.

How many concessions have the EU already made on this? They barely 'allowed' us leave without a fight which is not quite over yet. The full market access is not without consideration. The consideration is full access to the UK market - you know that lovely export of 372 Billion quids worth of EU exports. That's enough for special treatment.

Happy to end the 'senseless negotiations' right now and go straight to No Deal. However there will be a few EU states who need a spoon full of sugar with their medicine. Sugar in the UK will become cheaper as the EU tariff is lifted.

the EU is clearly restrictive and protects its farmers, fishermen and production companies against foreign competition, which operates with cheap wages, child labor, environmentally damaging, etc. The EU cannot compete with countries that pay their workers $ 5 a day.

 

The UK can then of course buy cheaper sugar, e.g. from Brazil or Indonesia, where rainforest is cleared and burned for cheap sugar. 

 

The EU sugar, which is mainly obtained from sugar beet, is of course a few pennies more expensive.

 

The main thing for you personally is the cheapest. You don't want to see the big wide frame.

 

Those who have children and grandchildren may see this a little more sustainably.

 

Hopefully the EU will continue to tax the "bloody" sugar in high levels.