UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Eeeeeer, Brexit came about because the populace voted for it, twice.

The second time even Labour voters gave Boris the thumbs up to get it done, and we still have people like you thinking you are better, more intelligent than the UK populace, who also came from many types of background.

 

It is time for you sulker's to get behind your country, stop taking the p_ss out of MP's appearance (cos it makes you look daft), and use your "obvious" higher

intelligence () to move on. But that will not happen, after you have read your lefty rags it inflates your lefty ego again, so much so you have to post links to them, well don't you..................................................????

 

Are you suffering from some inferiority complex? I have made no claim anywhere, ever, to be better or more intelligent than anyone else. You have your views, and I have mine, they are different - live with it. 

 

I made a number of points in my post you refer to, you probably disagree with some/all of them. In that case present a reasoned case as to why you think they are wrong, I have no problem with that.

instead you descend into a shallow diatribe against me and others whose views are similar to mine. Why not try the adult way of engaging in debate?   

Edited July 1, 2020 by Nigel Garvie

[vogie]

4 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

 

another Brino bit;

 

 

not bad,

finally a bunch or so has understood that the single market must be left

 

 

Talk about trying to flannel Andrew Neil, she was like a rabbit in the headlights of a car, but when all else fails "it was not on the ballot paper," now where have we heard that before.

[RuamRudy]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

i will leave it to kerry packer.

 

Packer came before an australian parliament committee regarding his company paying no tax. 

 

 Of course I'm minimising my tax. If anybody in this country doesn't minimise their tax they want their head read. As a government I can tell you you're not spending it that well that we should be paying extra."

I am not sure that multi millionaire media moguls become multi millionaires by having an egalitarian mindset. 

 

That said, I am reminded of a funny story I read in one of Packer's obituaries.

He was in a casino in Las Vegas, sitting alone at a gambling table, enjoying the best of attention from the hostesses. Another man joined him at the table and started to play alongside him, however he was not lavished with the same level of attention and was getting increasingly frustrated by that. 

Eventually he had enough of the perceived snub and thumped the side of the table, shouting at the hostess, "My name is Blah Blah Blah the third. I am worth $6 million and I demand that you show me the same respect that you show this guy!"

Packer turned to him, coolly, and held out his hand. "My name is Kerry Packer," he said. "Let's bet your $6 million on the turn of the next card." The other guy got up quickly and left. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

but when all else fails "it was not on the ballot paper," now where have we heard that before.

From you. 

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Well at midnight last night was the last time that the UK could have asked for an extension, good to see that Boris was true to his word and that option has now expired. But none of this couldn't have happened without the help of the remainers but I take no credit away from the Labour party as they were equally responsible for acheiving the will of the people. All it would have taken is for Labour and the few wet Tories to vote for Mays Brino deal and there is a chance we would have remained in the single market, of course that would have entailed having to adhere to the EUs freedom of movement. I know I will never get a true answer here, but I just wonder if the remainers and the Labour Party have any remorse about not voting for Mays deal, after all, it was pretty much like remaining anyway?

 

 

well,

last evening's deadline is as soft as it possibly can be isn't it?

 

the deadline is not put in treaty

and as far as I remember it is not reflected in any statute

 

hence, nothing stops BJ and the EU brass from prolonging the Brino period if they so wish,

next week or next month or whatever

 

(not expecting it to happen, but it could)

 

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

I have always paid my tax in full.

I have never sought to evade or avoid.

Therefor I continue to pay my tax in the UK. It means I maintain my integrity. People who evade or avoid have no integrity.

You are entitled to a tax free 12 000 GBP a  year (tax allowance on your first 12 K earned) , do you choose to pay tax on your first 12 K earned or do you avoid paying tax on that money ?

  That is tax avoidance , completely legal .

If you dont declare your (higher) earnings , that would be tax evasion, and that is illegal 

[transam]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Are you suffering from some inferiority complex? I have made no claim anywhere, ever, to be better or more intelligent than anyone else. You have your views, and I have mine, they are different - live with it. 

 

I made a number of points in my post you refer to, you probably disagree with some/all of them. In that case present a reasoned case as to why you think they are wrong, I have no problem with that.

instead you descend into a shallow diatribe against me and others whose views are similar to mine. Why not try the adult way of engaging in debate?   

Pot-kettle......????

[david555]

(At least ..... realisme arrived at #10 ( by some ....) realizing the E.U existing arrangements are stopping .... ????)

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/30/sunak-calls-post-brexit-financial-services-deal-switzerland/

 

Sunak calls for post-Brexit financial services deal with Switzerland 
The UK will lose the benefit of existing arrangements between the EU and Switzerland after the Brexit transition period 

By Michael O'Dwyer
and James Crisp, 
Brussels Correspondent 

30 June 2020 • 9:44pm

 

Chancellor Rishi Sunak announced the UK will negotiate a financial services trade agreement with Switzerland to ensure firms in both countries can continue to access each other’s markets after the Brexit transition.  
Mr Sunak said the countries were signing a joint statement committing them to talks on mutual recognition of banks, insurers, asset managers and capital markets. 
Swiss banks Credit Suisse and UBS have major operations in London

Edited July 1, 2020 by david555

[sandyf]

On 6/30/2020 at 8:57 AM, vinny41 said:

Latest UK Voting Intention (25 June)

Compared to last week, Boris Johnson increased his lead over Keir Starmer from 12% to 19% in a straight contest as to whom respondents would prefer as Prime Minister.

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-uk-voting-intention-25-june/

says it all if you think 25th June is later than 28th June.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

says it all if you think 25th June is later than 28th June.

show me the post where I stated that 25th June is later than 28th June or are you posting lies

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

How did Brexit come about? David Cameron's fear of UKIP loosing him seats, his inability to frame a referendum question that pinned down what Leave would actually mean, and his Dad's money in the Caymans. Then the fear of the old was exploited with the image that they had lost control, and it was fed to the gullible that it was all about immigration. (Ironic, since the people they really wanted rid of were brown skinned, and Pakistan is not actually in Europe). One should never forget the huge contribution that Corbyn made to the Brexit cause either.  

 

But the reason for Brexit is simply tax avoidance for the rich, and it is still is a strong element in negotiations. When I say avoidance there are two sorts, making full use of your allowances, perfectly legal and acceptable. And secondly operating your business from a tax haven, denying HMRC tax revenue, and thus increasing the tax burden for you and me. Again perfectly legal -the UK is the tax dodgers capital of the world - but unacceptable. Defenestration is too quick a death for these sub human swine - oops sorry I meant our great masters, leaders, and tabloid owners.

 

No surprise really that the EU do not want a tax dodgers heaven on their doorstep, without some safeguards. Nor do they want to have their businesses undercut as the the UK makes a bonfire of regulations and turns our workforce into a bunch of 3rd world slaves. That is what a level playing field is really about. 

the third world slaves coming from the eu to work in the uk under zero hour contracts and " self employment "( for employees to get round paying the minimum wage) then the british taxpayer has to make up the shortfall in tax credits,rent credits and all other sorts of benefits.

[bellboy]

On 6/29/2020 at 3:37 PM, Rookiescot said:

Engurland is broke without Scotland.

Why do you think Westminster is so desperate to hold on to us?

Engurlund is having to come to terms with the fact it is a small nation with no bargaining power with anyone or indeed a reason for the UK to continue.

 I think we should let Skotland [oops spelling ] go. But don't  come  running  back . when your oil runs  out in a few years. and the SNP. buggers every thing up.. Oh we will also move are army / navy/ government departments out. and the billions of pounds that puts into the  economy _- GOODBYE --you won't be missed 

Edit.. Oh sorry you won't come running back,,  Because the Eu is going to welcome you with open arms.

Edited July 1, 2020 by bellboy

[elliss]

22 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

What about the working class who fiddle their tax returns ?

Cash in hand eastern European builders , Indian restaurant workers , Pakistani cab drivers, they should be clamped down on as well , 60 Billion in lost tax revenues

 

 No chance , they are the back bone , of the UK  black economy ..

     Those , soon too be a extinct species , aka working class , were taxed @ source PAYE..

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by elliss

[bannork]

On 6/30/2020 at 8:42 PM, CorpusChristie said:

The Pound fell slightly after the referendum , and it continued to slide because of the uncertainty, which was caused by the naysayers

The naysayers include The Bank of America.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/markets/british-pound-sinking-to-emerging-market-currency-status-1.4291672

 

[elliss]

21 hours ago, 473geo said:

I spent my time assisting employers to pay their staff a legal tax free bonus rather than risking cash in hand, usually around Christmas or before the summer break

Best Hang me now ????

 

 Yep , hang him high .

    I would gladly come out of retirement to do the job , free.

     A true Brit , taxpayer ...

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by elliss

[nauseus]

On 6/28/2020 at 2:21 PM, Rookiescot said:

Another white elephant with a union flag on it.

Come January it will be parked up because the UK will not have enough money for fuel.

RAF mate - no worries -  does all kinds of jobs.

[nauseus]

I missed this and was on page 6 or thereabouts. Then I posted that reply to Rookie and saw page 40. Holly bat ch1t Robin! Funny thing, just before that I was dolefully musing on how staid the TV posts had become since the referendum victory instructed the UK government to get us out of the EU. 

 

Keep Calm

 

and

 

Party On

[nauseus]

12 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

well,

last evening's deadline is as soft as it possibly can be isn't it?

 

the deadline is not put in treaty

and as far as I remember it is not reflected in any statute

 

hence, nothing stops BJ and the EU brass from prolonging the Brino period if they so wish,

next week or next month or whatever

 

(not expecting it to happen, but it could)

 

The terms of the Withdrawal Agreement allow the UK–EU Joint Committee to extend the transition period by up to two years, but it must sign off on the length of any extension before 1 July 2020. EU lawyers say that once that window is missed, EU law makes it very difficult to agree to any extension.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

 

Not impossible but "very difficult".

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

The terms of the Withdrawal Agreement allow the UK–EU Joint Committee to extend the transition period by up to two years, but it must sign off on the length of any extension before 1 July 2020. EU lawyers say that once that window is missed, EU law makes it very difficult to agree to any extension.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

 

Not impossible but "very difficult".

a I said, double soft, like pudding/cotton/soft ice whatever

 

"EU law makes it very difficult  to agree to any extension" is EU speak for Prefer Not

ie worth roughly zilch

 

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

The terms of the Withdrawal Agreement allow the UK–EU Joint Committee to extend the transition period by up to two years, but it must sign off on the length of any extension before 1 July 2020. EU lawyers say that once that window is missed, EU law makes it very difficult to agree to any extension.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

 

Not impossible but "very difficult".

 

was a bit quick above, (what EU lawyers say is just pussy talk)

I quote from your link;

 

"The government has ruled out any extension to transition and legislated for a commitment not to agree to any extension in the Withdrawal Agreement Act. The government is only able to reverse that provision through new legislation."

 

if that quote above is correct then Brexit proper should be secured in statute (I had missed that such stipulations went

into statutes) - my bad

 

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

was a bit quick above, (what EU lawyers say is just pussy talk)

I quote from your link;

 

"The government has ruled out any extension to transition and legislated for a commitment not to agree to any extension in the Withdrawal Agreement Act. The government is only able to reverse that provision through new legislation."

 

if that quote above is correct then Brexit proper should be secured in statute (I had missed that such stipulations went

into statutes) - my bad

 

The UK Gov might be able to relegislate the Act but any changes to the WA itself would need to be signed off by the UK and EU. All too difficult now, IMO. The best way (as it has always been) would be for the EU to stop farting about, stop worrying about fish that don't belong to it, finally adopt a truly level playing field and then agree on a trade deal that causes least damage to each side.

[Pattaya46]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The best way (as it has always been) would be for the EU to stop farting about, stop worrying about fish that don't belong to it, finally adopt a truly level playing field and then agree on a trade deal that causes least damage to each side.

The best way for UK only !

Sorry, but no reasons for EU to give UK everything it wishes after it decided to leave the club.

UK wants a hard Brexit. EU can't change that. So let's go for a sad hard WTO Brexit. ????

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

The UK Gov might be able to relegislate the Act but any changes to the WA itself would need to be signed off by the UK and EU. All too difficult now, IMO. The best way (as it has always been) would be for the EU to stop farting about, stop worrying about fish that don't belong to it, finally adopt a truly level playing field and then agree on a trade deal that causes least damage to each side.

And what in your opinion is a level playing field?

[kingdong]

10 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

The best way for UK only !

Sorry, but no reasons for EU to give UK everything it wishes after it decided to leave the club.

UK wants a hard Brexit. EU can't change that. So let's go for a sad hard WTO Brexit. ????

uk just wants to stop having the p** s taken.

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

The best way for UK only !

Sorry, but no reasons for EU to give UK everything it wishes after it decided to leave the club.

UK wants a hard Brexit. EU can't change that. So let's go for a sad hard WTO Brexit. ????

Not what I said but keep calm and blather on.

[nauseus]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And what in your opinion is a level playing field?

One that is at the same elevation around its entire perimeter. 

 

The term "level playing field" may be interpreted in several different ways but the EU interpretation means following their rules on: workers’ rights; competition: state aid; taxation; as well as social and environmental protection. The UK wants a normal trade agreement, without staying subject to many elements of EU law and large areas ECJ jurisdiction. Why should we do that when other countries with trade deals do not?

 

[ballpoint]

Australian terms? 

Just like this then.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, ballpoint said:

Australian terms? 

Just like this then.

And it's going to come back to hit those who voted for it......

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

One that is at the same elevation around its entire perimeter. 

 

The term "level playing field" may be interpreted in several different ways but the EU interpretation means following their rules on: workers’ rights; competition: state aid; taxation; as well as social and environmental protection. The UK wants a normal trade agreement, without staying subject to many elements of EU law and large areas ECJ jurisdiction. Why should we do that when other countries with trade deals do not?

 

Yes but those trade deals between the EU and other nations involve tariffs on many items.

Why would the EU allow tariff free trade between the UK and itself if the UK was able to undercut the standards imposed on the EU's own businesses? 

 

My point is we cannot pretend the UK is looking for a level playing field. The UK wants the benefits of access to the EU markets without having to comply to EU standards.

If you want in the club you have to adhere to the clubs rules.   

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

The UK wants the benefits of access to the EU markets without having to comply to EU standards.

Who has stated that the UK doesnt want to comply with EU standards ?