UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[tomacht8]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

There we go with the "distortions of competition" again. It's the EU restrictions which are keeping all of them noncompetitive, be they EU standards, or external trade and tariffs. They won't like it up 'em when we do trade freely with the rest of the world.

How many concessions have the EU already made on this? They barely 'allowed' us leave without a fight which is not quite over yet. The full market access is not without consideration. The consideration is full access to the UK market - you know that lovely export of 372 Billion quids worth of EU exports. That's enough for special treatment.

Happy to end the 'senseless negotiations' right now and go straight to No Deal. However there will be a few EU states who need a spoon full of sugar with their medicine. Sugar in the UK will become cheaper as the EU tariff is lifted.

the EU is clearly restrictive and protects its farmers, fishermen and production companies against foreign competition, which operates with cheap wages, child labor, environmentally damaging, etc. The EU cannot compete with countries that pay their workers $ 5 a day.

 

The UK can then of course buy cheaper sugar, e.g. from Brazil or Indonesia, where rainforest is cleared and burned for cheap sugar. 

 

The EU sugar, which is mainly obtained from sugar beet, is of course a few pennies more expensive.

 

The main thing for you personally is the cheapest. You don't want to see the big wide frame.

 

Those who have children and grandchildren may see this a little more sustainably.

 

Hopefully the EU will continue to tax the "bloody" sugar in high levels.

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

As a MEP for over twenty years he has the credentials to tell you who it would be. Sadly it seems the Dutch don't have the gonads and are quite happy to be the Germans whipping boy, as usual.

on your last point history repeating itself,did they ever get their bikes back?

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

ok, here we go with the blaming again... it's not us it's them, they kick us out !!!!!!!!

Where has anyone said "they kick us out" that's correct, nobody did, it's something else you have made up. The big fat cash cow is going, it has found greener pastures for grazing.

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, tomacht8 said:

the EU is clearly restrictive and protects its farmers, fishermen and production companies against foreign competition, which operates with cheap wages, child labor, environmentally damaging, etc. The EU cannot compete with countries that pay their workers $ 5 a day.

 

The UK can then of course buy cheaper sugar, e.g. from Brazil or Indonesia, where rainforest is cleared and burned for cheap sugar. 

 

The EU sugar, which is mainly obtained from sugar beet, is of course a few pennies more expensive.

 

The main thing for you personally is the cheapest. You don't want to see the big wide frame.

 

Those who have children and grandchildren may see this a little more sustainably.

 

Hopefully the EU will continue to tax the "bloody" sugar in high levels.

cheap labour?don,t know about what brazil and Indonesia do,but britain do,es ok with their zero hour contracts and " self employed status" ( to get round the minimum wage )

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

the EU is clearly restrictive and protects its farmers, fishermen and production companies against foreign competition, which operates with cheap wages, child labor, environmentally damaging, etc. The EU cannot compete with countries that pay their workers $ 5 a day.

 

The UK can then of course buy cheaper sugar, e.g. from Brazil or Indonesia, where rainforest is cleared and burned for cheap sugar. 

 

The EU sugar, which is mainly obtained from sugar beet, is of course a few pennies more expensive.

 

The main thing for you personally is the cheapest. You don't want to see the big wide frame.

 

Those who have children and grandchildren may see this a little more sustainably.

 

Hopefully the EU will continue to tax the "bloody" sugar in high levels.

Even Jeremy Corbyn sussed the EU out.

 

 

[Mavideol]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Where has anyone said "they kick us out" that's correct, nobody did, it's something else you have made up. The big fat cash cow is going, it has found greener pastures for grazing.

old saying.... the grass always looks greener on the other side

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Even Jeremy Corbyn sussed the EU out.

 

 

and what this has to do with Brexit.... you are divagating Vogie, better put yourself together

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

the EU is clearly restrictive and protects its farmers, fishermen and production companies against foreign competition, which operates with cheap wages, child labor, environmentally damaging, etc. The EU cannot compete with countries that pay their workers $ 5 a day.

 

The UK can then of course buy cheaper sugar, e.g. from Brazil or Indonesia, where rainforest is cleared and burned for cheap sugar. 

 

The EU sugar, which is mainly obtained from sugar beet, is of course a few pennies more expensive.

 

The main thing for you personally is the cheapest. You don't want to see the big wide frame.

 

Those who have children and grandchildren may see this a little more sustainably.

 

Hopefully the EU will continue to tax the "bloody" sugar in high levels.

I don't think that the EEC/EC/EU protection of their market had much to do with having the welfare of it's people in mind. The lobbying European corporations' profits and extra EU tax income were the main drivers.

 

Too much sugar is bad for Europeans anyway, as is over protectionism. But EU policies on using biofuels in the past have encouraged Brazilian sugar cane production for ethanol. 

Edited July 3, 2020 by nauseus

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and what this has to do with Brexit.... you are divagating Vogie, better put yourself together

The clue is in the title "the EU is damaging workers interests across europe, and these are the self same regulations that the EU wants us to sign up to, no way Pedro as Dell once said.

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

The clue is in the title "the EU is damaging workers interests across europe, and these are the self same regulations that the EU wants us to sign up to, no way Pedro as Dell once said.

you believe everything Corbyn says/said or just this one 555

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

old saying.... the grass always looks greener on the other side

New saying..... The grass is greener on the other side.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

There's nothing easier than just walking away,

I will add it to the list of things Brexiteers promised but never happened. 

 

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

New saying..... The grass is greener on the other side.

I told you once, I told you twice and will say it again.... let's wait and see but don't come back crying and asking to get back in the clubhouse

[welovesundaysatspace]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I don't think that the EEC/EC/EU protection of their market had much to do with having the welfare of it's people in mind. The lobbying European corporations' profits and extra EU tax income were the main drivers.

So European corporations lobbied against chlorine chicken because they don’t know how to produce it? 

 

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

There's nothing easier than just walking away,

actions speak louder then words..... the UK still holding on to the last grasp/gasp of air 555

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

old saying.... the grass always looks greener on the other side

And the sea bluer and more bountiful. Oh, isn't it wonderful?

[izod10]

On 6/29/2020 at 2:11 PM, david555 said:

????

 

That is why they denie scotts a independance referendum because changed situation since the former one ....e.g. leaving the E.U. against their wish ,

the Englanders control would shrink too much..

????????????

Erm no.Shetland/Orkney are only administrative areas of Scotland,because of nearness    Nothing to do with Scotland actually

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

actions speak louder then words..... the UK still holding on to the last grasp/gasp of air 555

Au contraire, Barnier has become a man of wobble.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So European corporations lobbied against chlorine chicken because they don’t know how to produce it? 

 

I hate Fridays. What on earth are you on about now?

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I told you once, I told you twice and will say it again.... let's wait and see but don't come back crying and asking to get back in the clubhouse

Don't fret, neither of those two things will happen.

[tomacht8]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I don't think that the EEC/EC/EU protection of their market had much to do with having the welfare of it's people in mind. The lobbying European corporations' profits and extra EU tax income were the main drivers. Too much sugar is bad for Europeans anyway, as is over protectionism. 

It is both.

The EU naturally protects its domestic markets and their workers and taxpayers. A good example was the import stop of Thai fish products because of the slave-like conditions on Thai fishing boats. Or shrimp farming with incredible amounts of pesticides. 

Yes, and due to the high tariffs on unfairly produced dumping products, a lot is subsidized with that money within the EU.

The EU is clearly also luring large companies with tax advantages if it can be proven that they create jobs within the EU.

The tax revenue from many employees (wages and sales tax) brings the state more than a high corporate tax. That is why many companies are moving in the past their production to low-wage countries like China.

 

And we don't want to talk about private tax evaders. The UK is on the front line with its Canal Islands.

The EU wants to drain these swamps.

 

And then came the much-celebrated Brexit. The super-rich UK tax avoiders are still grinning with joy and can hardly believe their luck that the UK voter has given them this license.

[kingdong]

23 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I told you once, I told you twice and will say it again.... let's wait and see but don't come back crying and asking to get back in the clubhouse

like all our former colonies.

[vogie]

28 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I will add it to the list of things Brexiteers promised but never happened. 

 

Your filofax must be getting quite full with nonsense quotes.

[welovesundaysatspace]

24 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I hate Fridays. What on earth are you on about now?

You claimed the EU does not care about its citizens welfare but about its big corporations. So how do you explain its position against chlorine chicken? 

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

It is both.

The EU naturally protects its domestic markets and their workers and taxpayers. A good example was the import stop of Thai fish products because of the slave-like conditions on Thai fishing boats. Or shrimp farming with incredible amounts of pesticides. 

Yes, and due to the high tariffs on unfairly produced dumping products, a lot is subsidized with that money within the EU.

The EU is clearly also luring large companies with tax advantages if it can be proven that they create jobs within the EU.

The tax revenue from many employees (wages and sales tax) brings the state more than a high corporate tax. That is why many companies are moving in the past their production to low-wage countries like China.

 

And we don't want to talk about private tax evaders. The UK is on the front line with its Canal Islands.

The EU wants to drain these swamps.

 

And then came the much-celebrated Brexit. The super-rich UK tax avoiders are still grinning with joy and can hardly believe their luck that the UK voter has given them this license.

So we are agreed that the EU is protectionist. Why shouldn't the UK enjoy cheaper products from anywhere in the world?

 

The trouble is also that the protection does not often extend to UK jobs, but the EU is happy to lure large UK companies to create jobs in EU peasant economies.

 

As for tax evaders - I'm all for the super rich euro tax dodgers to invest in UK, just send the money! We will also lure all those IT industries currently taking advantage of low tax in Ireland.  That's how we will be more competitive and the EU knows it's coming.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Your filofax must be getting quite full with nonsense quotes.

As far as Brexiteers are concerned, my filofax of nonsense quotes turned into this. And I’m still collecting, so keep going. 

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

As far as Brexiteers are concerned, my filofax of nonsense quotes turned into this. And I’m still collecting, so keep going. 

But you are so selective at chosing the quotes you decide to show, the greatest quote of all time "lets get Brexit done" has never had a look in.

[kingdong]

23 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

It is both.

The EU naturally protects its domestic markets and their workers and taxpayers. A good example was the import stop of Thai fish products because of the slave-like conditions on Thai fishing boats. Or shrimp farming with incredible amounts of pesticides. 

Yes, and due to the high tariffs on unfairly produced dumping products, a lot is subsidized with that money within the EU.

The EU is clearly also luring large companies with tax advantages if it can be proven that they create jobs within the EU.

The tax revenue from many employees (wages and sales tax) brings the state more than a high corporate tax. That is why many companies are moving in the past their production to low-wage countries like China.

 

And we don't want to talk about private tax evaders. The UK is on the front line with its Canal Islands.

The EU wants to drain these swamps.

 

And then came the much-celebrated Brexit. The super-rich UK tax avoiders are still grinning with joy and can hardly believe their luck that the UK voter has given them this license.

the"super rich uk tax avoiders "what like uber who make vast profits in the uk but don,t pay a brass razoo in tax preferring to pay it in the netherlands.

[tomacht8]

23 minutes ago, Loiner said:

1.So we are agreed that the EU is protectionist. Why shouldn't the UK enjoy cheaper products from anywhere in the world?

 

2.The trouble is also that the protection does not often extend to UK jobs, but the EU is happy to lure large UK companies to create jobs in EU peasant economies.

 

3.As for tax evaders - I'm all for the super rich euro tax dodgers to invest in UK, just send the money! We will also lure all those IT industries currently taking advantage of low tax in Ireland.  That's how we will be more competitive and the EU knows it's coming.

1. I have already explained this to you using the sugar example. Or using the example of Thai fishing. There are 1000 more examples. Let's take the UK milk farmers. for example, if the UK gets its milk from the US cheaper, what happens to UK milk producers if there is no protectionism on the part of the UK. Should they all be retrained as stockbrokers?

 

2. This is indeed an EU problem, as there are very large wage differences in the north-south divide in the EU. But Brexit will not stop companies moving to low-wage countries. Instead of moving to Poland, they are moving to India.

 

3. and that's exactly the underhanded plan. provide tax evaders with shelter. Money laundering from drugs and arms shops. Half the Russian mafia have already taken up quarters in London's villas. Yes exactly. That is the Brexit plan. Enrich themselves with evaded taxpayers' money from EU citizens. Your contribution shows me the disgusting way of thinking

 

Nice that you say it so openly and honestly. On my private life, i don't do business with criminals.

Nor will the EU do it.

Edited July 3, 2020 by tomacht8

[johnpetersen]

56 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Don't fret, neither of those two things will happen.

Well, because of the disproportionately advanced age of so many Brexit supporters, it certainly will not happen in their lifetime.