elliss Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, 473geo said: Wages and probably VAT is where I would hit - Not really wise to upset those with money to invest if that is what a country is looking for to progress UK has looked after the working population really well to minimise suffering through the covid crisis and it is the least they can do to support the country that stood by them in their time of need Fyi , working class in the UK , is becoming a extinct species .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, johnpetersen said: In other words regressive taxation. Those who can least afford it. Well, that's what the Tories have been doing for years. Call it what you will, nine million plus received continued payment subsidised by the government which in many cases allowed colleagues to work full time . You expect somebody else to pay? A wages tax hike will refill the coffers quickly and ease the way forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, elliss said: Fyi , working class in the UK , is becoming a extinct species .. Better add another % or two to the tax hike then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, 473geo said: Wages and probably VAT is where I would hit - Not really wise to upset those with money to invest if that is what a country is looking for to progress UK has looked after the working population really well to minimise suffering through the covid crisis and it is the least they can do to support the country that stood by them in their time of need ROFL. Anything but the tax havens eh? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Rookiescot said: ROFL. Anything but the tax havens eh? I am aware that there are those who feel the rich are the cause of their woes, but let us try and remain practical shall we 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, 473geo said: Call it what you will, nine million plus received continued payment subsidised by the government which in many cases allowed colleagues to work full time . You expect somebody else to pay? A wages tax hike will refill the coffers quickly and ease the way forward Ah of course but when the banks and the stock market went belly up you expected everyone else to pay yes? Neo liberalism. Socialism for the rich. Profits are private but loses are public. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, 473geo said: I am aware that there are those who feel the rich are the cause of their woes, but let us try and remain practical shall we Whats impractical about closing down loopholes in the law which allow millionaires to pay zero tax? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 473geo said: Better add another % or two to the tax hike then Thats the way forward . Hit those on zero hour contracts . Proud to be British . Those were the days . Land of hope and tories , thx Vera .. Edited June 30, 2020 by elliss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Rookiescot said: Ah of course but when the banks and the stock market went belly up you expected everyone else to pay yes? Neo liberalism. Socialism for the rich. Profits are private but loses are public. Now you are just being silly - yeah let the banks sink - really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Whats impractical about closing down loopholes in the law which allow millionaires to pay zero tax? It is more productive to increase the tax on wages and VAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, 473geo said: Now you are just being silly - yeah let the banks sink - really If I had performed my job with the rank incompetence the bankers did then I would have been jailed. No we could not let the banks fail but the people responsible should have been held to account. What they got were massive bonuses even though the banks were erm bankrupt. How is that fair? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, 473geo said: It is more productive to increase the tax on wages and VAT So in your view it is better for the working class to pay than the rich yes? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, elliss said: Thats the way forward . Hit those on zero hour contracts . Proud to be British . Those were the days . Land of hope and tories , thx Vera .. Well according to pessimists here workers should consider themselves very fortunate to be employed and pay tax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, 473geo said: Well according to pessimists here workers should consider themselves very fortunate to be employed and pay tax We just went through a national crisis where the lowest paid were actually the people we need the most. And your opinion of them is be grateful you have a job? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: So in your view it is better for the working class to pay than the rich yes? 30 million workers pay extra tax of 10 GBP a week not a massive burden, so how much do you reckon you could pull in from tax you seem bright enough to work out the revenue over say 12 months, now perhaps you could let me know how you would pull that sort of money from your 'millionaires' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, 473geo said: 30 million workers pay extra tax of 10 GBP a week not a massive burden, so how much do you reckon you could pull in from tax you seem bright enough to work out the revenue over say 12 months, now perhaps you could let me know how you would pull that sort of money from your 'millionaires' 80 billion a year is lost through tax evasion and avoidance. Tell me how much tax has Jacob Reese Moggs company paid in the last five years? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: We just went through a national crisis where the lowest paid were actually the people we need the most. And your opinion of them is be grateful you have a job? My view sees things a little brighter, if you do not then it becomes apparent in your world those in employment will perhaps end up considering themselves fortunate indeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: 80 billion a year is lost through tax evasion and avoidance. Tell me how much tax has Jacob Reese Moggs company paid in the last five years? You are the expert, provide the numbers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, 473geo said: My view sees things a little brighter, if you do not then it becomes apparent in your world those in employment will perhaps end up considering themselves fortunate indeed My view of things being a bit brighter is that people are actually paid a descent wage and millionaires stop exploiting tax loopholes using havens and shell companies. Is that to much to ask? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, 473geo said: You are the expert, provide the numbers zero tax paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: zero tax paid. And the amount of tax due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Rookiescot said: My view of things being a bit brighter is that people are actually paid a descent wage and millionaires stop exploiting tax loopholes using havens and shell companies. Is that to much to ask? What about the working class who fiddle their tax returns ? Cash in hand eastern European builders , Indian restaurant workers , Pakistani cab drivers, they should be clamped down on as well , 60 Billion in lost tax revenues 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: 80 billion a year is lost through tax evasion and avoidance. Tell me how much tax has Jacob Reese Moggs company paid in the last five years? Tell how you will stop both. If was possible don't you think governments would have done it already? Tell us about JRM's company too - how much did it pay and how much did/does it owe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: My view of things being a bit brighter is that people are actually paid a descent wage and millionaires stop exploiting tax loopholes using havens and shell companies. Is that to much to ask? I am surprised you even consider Thailand as a destination given your principles 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Tell me how much tax has Jacob Reese Moggs company paid in the last five years? What is the name of his company and what is the reason why no tax was paid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, 473geo said: And the amount of tax due Surely a good patriot would be happy to pay his taxes in order to see the betterment of the UK? Rather than avoiding them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Surely a good patriot would be happy to pay his taxes in order to see the betterment of the UK? Rather than avoiding them. Well I know of some good patriots who in order to pay more bonus the to their staff - yes low paid workers - took advantage of a loopholes not at all illegal - of course the low paid workers lost out as the loopholes were closed Edited June 30, 2020 by 473geo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, 473geo said: I am surprised you even consider Thailand as a destination given your principles I can not influence taxes and social equality in Thailand. But given I still pay tax in the UK then that gives me a reason to have an opinion over people who fail to pay in the UK despite their huge wealth. Should the incompetent bankers have been jailed? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, 473geo said: Well I know of some good patriots who in order to pay more bonus the their staff - yes low paid workers - took advantage of a loopholes not at all illegal - of course the low paid workers lost out as the loopholes were closed On zero hours contracts were they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, Rookiescot said: On zero hours contracts were they? Nope they were full time in successful companies all the bosses were looking for was a 'tax efficient' way to pay the bonus so they received the full amount 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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