UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[johnpetersen]

9 hours ago, kingdong said:

germany had the right idea,after a heavy night on the schnapps merkel opened germanys doors to a million goat herders from the 4th century they,ll be germanys answer to their ageing population problem.

Germany: Half of refugees find jobs within five years

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-half-of-refugees-find-jobs-within-five-years/a-52251414

[Opl]

5 hours ago, david555 said:

No...only trying to make clear the reality that the ever hoping brexit strategy to get a free ticket to E.U. benefits wont work ...try another U.K. negotiator and same result it shall be ...Out means out .

Prepare to bear your " Democratic 52% choice " and the consequenses....

4 years trying ...never walked away ....pathetic....????

High hopes negociations based on lies (and resentment), 4 years trying... 

1/ get rid of French and Europeans fishermen anf fish merchants who lose access to British waters ( have the cake)

2/ negociate a trade deal that allows UK fisheries to export to the single market free of custom duties (eat it)

3/ while saving financial contribution to the EU ( the EU pays for it)

 

[david555]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

Your posts are just bitter schoolyard nonsense, it reminds me of the husband who divorced her husband 4 years ago and still has to keep sending her sad messages like, "I never loved you anyway" "I don't believe the child we had is mine" "It would have been been better if I had never met you"

You know full well that it is the UK that is leaving the EU but continually say "Englanders" we are English, this can method of posting can only be described as baiting. If you cannot post without all these pathetic snide remarks, why bother at all, you are just embarrassing yourself.

 

Keep some of your postings in the mirror ......???? same but from opposite side ....

????

Edited July 4, 2020 by david555

[transam]

35 minutes ago, Opl said:

High hopes negociations based on lies (and resentment), 4 years trying... 

1/ get rid of French and Europeans fishermen anf fish merchants who lose access to British waters ( have the cake)

2/ negociate a trade deal that allows UK fisheries to export to the single market free of custom duties (eat it)

3/ while saving financial contribution to the EU ( the EU pays for it)

 

Think you will find that anything in UK waters belongs to the UK, can do what they like with it, after all, we have left the EU, and what's in our fields and waters, hopefully, we will be in complete control of.... ????

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

Germany: Half of refugees find jobs within five years

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-half-of-refugees-find-jobs-within-five-years/a-52251414

Lived in Germany for 25 years....Merkel is nobody's fool. The goat herders referred to (to which the above post was  replying) were the highly educated, upper middle-class goat herders....the ones who had the money to escape. I had two Syrian neighbours.....one was a cardiac-surgeon, the other a neurosurgeon. She knew exactly what she was doing.

[Loiner]

 

13 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

1. Bravo

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190107-1

The UK can get oranges cheaper from Egypt and South Africa. yeah.

I would not rely on Egypt, they have problems with their neighbors because of the nile dam. However, if the UK does not support the orange growers in Spain, they will have less money and will not go on vacation to London to see the crown jewels. The bottleneck is not the procurement of products, but the sale. The question of how over 50% of UK exports to the EU can be sold elsewhere is much more interesting. And the price difference for the final consumption of the different oranges is minimal, by the way.

 

 

2. That is fine.

Before you asked why the UK shouldn't import cheaper oranges, and now you find that UK companies are moving out of the UK because they can produce cheaper elsewhere. Btw the EU does not prohibit national aid for companies to secure jobs.

Unfortunately, the competitiveness of UK companies within the EU is not the best. The productivity indices are unfortunately only in the lowest mediocrity.

After Brexit alone on the world market, tell me a few products where the UK is leading. Just for the sake of interest.

 

3. Missing

 

4. There must be something in the UK water that makes the Brexiteers smarter than all the other Brits since 47 years.

1. And when we have extricated ourselves from the transition period and are setting our own rule, we might even resume importing our favourite Jaffa oranges from our friends in Israel. You forgot those, and that its all about our choice and our control.

 

2. Under EU rules, State Aid is in principle not allowed, although they tend to allow it for their favoured states and not the UK. (Lufthansa, British Steel). Why do you think the UK future State Aid Plan is now such a sticking point in the negotiations? The new UK will be more competitive than the over regulated and supported EU, which has never been part of the EU plan. 

 

3. That's an odd idea, as we all drink the same water in UK. Brexiteers are smarter than the recalcitrant Remainers because we have had that 47 years of experience and learning. What were the downtrodden EU people doing during that period - just taking the propaganda?

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Germany: Half of refugees find jobs within five years

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-half-of-refugees-find-jobs-within-five-years/a-52251414

ONLY half in five years?? What's the betting they are all either taxi drivers or currywurst vendors.  
What and admission of abject failure in Germany.

[candide]

16 hours ago, kingdong said:

i no like it,one way street 2 million eu citizns in uk,too easy to get benefit in uk,unless you british .uk must pay benefit to lazy eu people under eu rules and cannot say sling your hook,thats why british people vote leave,is good thing for british people,yes?

Actually, it's the British who pushed for early freedom of movement for citizen from Estearn Europe countries......

 

EU citizen in UK have a higher employment rate than UK citizen and are on average younger, so they are actually subsidizing them.

[Nigel Garvie]

47 minutes ago, transam said:

Think you will find that anything in UK waters belongs to the UK, can do what they like with it, after all, we have left the EU, and what's in our fields and waters, hopefully, we will be in complete control of.... ????

I don't know how many times I have to post this very easy to understand fact. We already sold a lot of our quotas to other countries. 

 

 

"I'm alarmed at how bad the level of foreign ownership really is - it far exceeds my worst expectations," said Paul Lines, from Fishing for Leave, a pro-Brexit group within the British fishing industry. 

"I fear government action will change nothing, and we're still going to be dominated by a foreign presence."

 

You see it doesn't matter how much you adore your rich Tory "slavemasters", they don't care about you. The 4 families that owned most of England's fishing rights saw the chance to make a quick buck in the 1990s, do you really imagine they thought "What about my country"  as they sold out. 

 

So I suggest the less talk of our fishing rights by Brexiteers, the less embarrassing the subject will be to them.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Think you will find that anything in UK waters belongs to the UK, can do what they like with it, after all, we have left the EU, and what's in our fields and waters, hopefully, we will be in complete control of.... ????

I suppose it's possible the UK consumer could develop a taste for squid and pickled herring instead of cod.

Edited July 4, 2020 by tebee

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I don't know how many times I have to post this very easy to understand fact. We already sold a lot of our quotas to other countries. 

 

 

"I'm alarmed at how bad the level of foreign ownership really is - it far exceeds my worst expectations," said Paul Lines, from Fishing for Leave, a pro-Brexit group within the British fishing industry. 

"I fear government action will change nothing, and we're still going to be dominated by a foreign presence."

 

You see it doesn't matter how much you adore your rich Tory "slavemasters", they don't care about you. The 4 families that owned most of England's fishing rights saw the chance to make a quick buck in the 1990s, do you really imagine they thought "What about my country"  as they sold out. 

 

So I suggest the less talk of our fishing rights by Brexiteers, the less embarrassing the subject will be to them.

The DUP were thrown under the bus in the blink of an eye........the Fishing Industry will be thrown overboard in the blink of an eye......... all to secure a deal on Financial services.

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

I suppose it's possible the UK consumer could develop a taste for squid and pickled herring instead of cod.

Agreed...there is no market in the UK for most of the catch.

 

[tebee]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

The DUP were thrown under the bus in the blink of an eye........the Fishing Industry will be thrown overboard in the blink of an eye......... all to secure a deal on Financial services.

The time for getting a deal on financial services has passed - we're not even going to be talking about it before the end of transition. 

 

See 

 

 https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/speech-barnier-eurofi-30062020_en.pdf

[transam]

13 minutes ago, tebee said:

I suppose it's possible the UK consumer could develop a taste for squid and pickled herring instead of cod.

And why not, what ever takes your fancy...

After all, It's a free world outside the EU, eh...

[Opl]

15 minutes ago, tebee said:

I suppose it's possible the UK consumer could develop a taste for squid and pickled herring instead of cod.

There is hope...

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Germany: Half of refugees find jobs within five years

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-half-of-refugees-find-jobs-within-five-years/a-52251414

This gives a far more successful impression than other "reports" but even if it is true, after 5 years, will any of the other half ever work at all?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Actually, it's the British who pushed for early freedom of movement for citizen from Estearn Europe countries......

 

EU citizen in UK have a higher employment rate than UK citizen and are on average younger, so they are actually subsidizing them.

Blair is the reason for this madness. For Eastern Europeans to contribute to the UK economy they need to pay tax but unfortunately thousands don't like to do that.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I don't know how many times I have to post this very easy to understand fact. We already sold a lot of our quotas to other countries. 

 

 

"I'm alarmed at how bad the level of foreign ownership really is - it far exceeds my worst expectations," said Paul Lines, from Fishing for Leave, a pro-Brexit group within the British fishing industry. 

"I fear government action will change nothing, and we're still going to be dominated by a foreign presence."

 

You see it doesn't matter how much you adore your rich Tory "slavemasters", they don't care about you. The 4 families that owned most of England's fishing rights saw the chance to make a quick buck in the 1990s, do you really imagine they thought "What about my country"  as they sold out. 

 

So I suggest the less talk of our fishing rights by Brexiteers, the less embarrassing the subject will be to them.

 

Here's another easy to understand fact (for some): quotas are set by the EU. After 2020 the UK will set any quotas that might become available.

 

The EU will not have a say unless it is allowed to by the UK. FIshing rights are not the same as quotas and new legislation can change everything.

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I don't know how many times I have to post this very easy to understand fact. We already sold a lot of our quotas to other countries. 

 

 

"I'm alarmed at how bad the level of foreign ownership really is - it far exceeds my worst expectations," said Paul Lines, from Fishing for Leave, a pro-Brexit group within the British fishing industry. 

"I fear government action will change nothing, and we're still going to be dominated by a foreign presence."

 

You see it doesn't matter how much you adore your rich Tory "slavemasters", they don't care about you. The 4 families that owned most of England's fishing rights saw the chance to make a quick buck in the 1990s, do you really imagine they thought "What about my country"  as they sold out. 

 

So I suggest the less talk of our fishing rights by Brexiteers, the less embarrassing the subject will be to them.

 

Nice graphics, but they are all in the past. That's the thing about Brexit you know, we are changing all those anomalies and aberrations of EU regulation old rules. The CFP will be history and the UK will be setting its own quotas, not the EU. It is one of the reasons why we left - to put things right.

 

The fishing rights sold by those mainly Scottish families may suddenly disappear under new UK legislation. The Fraserburgh Tait family must be quaking in their boots too, almost as much as when the 'Black Fish' gangs were fined about £1.75m and had £8.1m proceeds of crime seized. I wonder if they are SNP supporters too?

[candide]

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Nice graphics, but they are all in the past. That's the thing about Brexit you know, we are changing all those anomalies and aberrations of EU regulation old rules. The CFP will be history and the UK will be setting its own quotas, not the EU. It is one of the reasons why we left - to put things right.

 

The fishing rights sold by those mainly Scottish families may suddenly disappear under new UK legislation. The Fraserburgh Tait family must be quaking in their boots too, almost as much as when the 'Black Fish' gangs were fined about £1.75m and had £8.1m proceeds of crime seized. I wonder if they are SNP supporters too?

Fishing rights have been sold to foreign companies according to UK law, not EU regulation. EU regulation does not prescribe how member States must manage fishing rights.

Edited July 4, 2020 by candide

[kingdong]

15 hours ago, david555 said:

No...only trying to make clear the reality that the ever hoping brexit strategy to get a free ticket to E.U. benefits wont work ...try another U.K. negotiator and same result it shall be ...Out means out .

Prepare to bear your " Democratic 52% choice " and the consequenses....

4 years trying ...never walked away ....pathetic....????

what eu benefits? freedom of movement?

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

This gives a far more successful impression than other "reports" but even if it is true, after 5 years, will any of the other half ever work at all?

not unless theres a resurgence of the goat herding industry.

[Nigel Garvie]

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Here's another easy to understand fact (for some): quotas are set by the EU. After 2020 the UK will set any quotas that might become available.

 

The EU will not have a say unless it is allowed to by the UK. FIshing rights are not the same as quotas and new legislation can change everything.

All people who buy a share of the quota whether UK persons/ companies or foreign persons/companies, have rights established in law over what they have bought. Otherwise international trade with anyone would be impossible. It  is interesting to hear such far left wing views from you, what you appear to be saying amounts to re-nationalisation without compensation.

[Nigel Garvie]

9 hours ago, Loiner said:

snip

 

The fishing rights sold by those mainly Scottish families may suddenly disappear under new UK legislation.  I wonder if they are SNP supporters too?

They are on the rich list, about as likely to vote SNP as pigs are to fly, same for the border landowners, Tories obviously. 

[Nigel Garvie]

11 hours ago, tebee said:

The time for getting a deal on financial services has passed - we're not even going to be talking about it before the end of transition. 

 

See 

 

 https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/speech-barnier-eurofi-30062020_en.pdf

Interesting paper from Barnier, and pleasantly devoid of aggression, he just states the facts. 

We are leaving the EU and our financial sector wants to have access to the EU market and a  part in setting the rules for it's engagement. You would be told to get stuffed whatever market you wanted to join anywhere with that approach. 

 

We are burning our bridges one by one, I guess we will just be told to forget it. They don't need our financial services, they have their own. Forget the peanuts involved in fishing, this will cost us an unbelievable fortune. Our fin. service industry is the one significant thing that helps redress our awful imbalance between our exports and imports in almost all other areas. 

 

Looks like we are competing once more for the national self harm award. Johnson's  - hold out till the last -  approach to negotiations isn't working, his bluff has been called, the EU countries are preparing for a no deal exit. 

[melvinmelvin]

 

funny how a few cods and the odd herring can virtually dominate a debate on the future of UK

[tebee]

2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

funny how a few cods and the odd herring can virtually dominate a debate on the future of UK

And the odd thing is there's not even a lot of cod in British waters - we import most of of it !

 

(more than 95% of the cod we eat in the UK comes from sustainable stocks in Iceland and the Barents Sea)

[sandyf]

On 7/1/2020 at 4:50 PM, vinny41 said:

show me the post where I stated that 25th June is later than 28th June or are you posting lies

Stock reaction when people get things wrong, start claiming lies.

You should read your Post 407 again.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

And the odd thing is there's not even a lot of cod in British waters - we import most of of it !

 

(more than 95% of the cod we eat in the UK comes from sustainable stocks in Iceland and the Barents Sea)

if they cannot afford cod,let them eat haddock.

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

funny how a few cods and the odd herring can virtually dominate a debate on the future of UK

its a red herring.