UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[Phulublub]

Just now, vogie said:

I will address the posts I chose to address and I don't need prompts from other posters, thank you for your understanding.

But you did not address his post at all.  A reply at a complete tangent is worse than no reply at all.

 

I was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that this was a discussion board.

 

PH

[vogie]

Just now, Phulublub said:

But you did not address his post at all.  A reply at a complete tangent is worse than no reply at all.

 

I was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that this was a discussion board.

 

PH

I think you'd better read forum etiquette before continuing.

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

You quoted me!

I quoted and replied to a post by kingdong.  You replied to me. 

 

PH

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Would you like to tell kingdong to shut up then, as I was merely replying to his/her post.

 

PH

more empty vessels you lost,now suck on it.

[IvorBiggun2]

28 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Just the clown we needed to see it destroyed once and for all. 

Yous couldn't get a bigger clown than Corbyn. Thank God the voters saw the light and f****d him off.

[RuamRudy]

18 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Perhaps you could address his major concern.  Are you content that the UK will allow foodstuffs to be imported that are produced using lower standards than UK based producers are subject to?

 

PH

Awkward truths often get brushed aside, replaced by nebulous slogans. At least now we can strike off 'taking back control' or 'regaining sovereignty' from the rapidly shrinking list of intangible Brexit benefits. 

[melvinmelvin]

48 minutes ago, kingdong said:

the only corruption in parliament has been in the last 4 years with the remainer mps refusing to accept a democratic binding referendum on leaving the eu.thankfully a peoples vote 3 years later put the present government in with a large majority who are going to respect the will of the people and take us out of the eu.

I disagree with this wording, it offers a somewhat skewed representation of what happened

 

the expression democratic binding referendum is kinda strange, doesn't really exist- such animals,

refs are not binding in the UK unless the opposite is reflected in statutes

 

by democratic binding I assume that you refer to Cameron's repeated assurances that "up to you"

we will implement whatever you decide

 

now, in the UK (as in most democracies) the national assembly is the ultimate decision maker (most of the time),

there is no way that Cameron can bind the future action of the national assembly, THAT would have

been undemocratic  - and very much so

 

MPs following party manifestos and wishes of their vote base is not corruption

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obviously not only lack of enthusiasm for exiting EU but also mistrust in TM and her dealings with EU

MPs should have acted, boldly, at earlier stages - got rid of TM and made room for a PM that could be trusted

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I'd say that this rather lengthy mess is mainly the fault of the Parliament,

but it has been a learning process (no doubt) for civil service - government and politicians

appears that graduation may pop up New Year's Eve

 

[transam]

24 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Perhaps you could address his major concern.  Are you content that the UK will allow foodstuffs to be imported that are produced using lower standards than UK based producers are subject to?

 

PH

Very funny, very funny, the biggest assumption of the day....Well done...

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

I disagree with this wording, it offers a somewhat skewed representation of what happened

 

the expression democratic binding referendum is kinda strange, doesn't really exist- such animals,

refs are not binding in the UK unless the opposite is reflected in statutes

It certainly became binding when nearly all our MPs at the time triggered Art50.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

I disagree with this wording, it offers a somewhat skewed representation of what happened

 

the expression democratic binding referendum is kinda strange, doesn't really exist- such animals,

refs are not binding in the UK unless the opposite is reflected in statutes

 

by democratic binding I assume that you refer to Cameron's repeated assurances that "up to you"

we will implement whatever you decide

 

now, in the UK (as in most democracies) the national assembly is the ultimate decision maker (most of the time),

there is no way that Cameron can bind the future action of the national assembly, THAT would have

been undemocratic  - and very much so

 

MPs following party manifestos and wishes of their vote base is not corruption

-----

obviously not only lack of enthusiasm for exiting EU but also mistrust in TM and her dealings with EU

MPs should have acted, boldly, at earlier stages - got rid of TM and made room for a PM that could be trusted

-----

I'd say that this rather lengthy mess is mainly the fault of the Parliament,

but it has been a learning process (no doubt) for civil service - government and politicians

appears that graduation may pop up New Year's Eve

 

All you remain lot would be very quite if the Brexit vote was to remain. All the cr_p you have come up with about the voting etc would be shoved under "your" carpet.....

 

And I bet you all voted even knowing about your question about "Deal or no Deal" which was not on the voting form but bring it up after the event...............Hypocrites....

 

Then we have the EU posters who are incredibly worried about their taxes going up, even now the EU cannot agree on a "Step Forward" budget without the UK...Your woe sticks out a mile....

[nauseus]

57 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

To be correct, you should have said "Fewer economic migrants..." as people are counted, not measured.  Perhaps Engish is not your first language, though most of those with a Germanic based language as theirs and who have Englsih as a second (or third) would likely be able to use the correct vocabulary.

 

Maybe after Brexit we can address the falling levels of English in our education system once the meddling Europeans are sent packing.  Then again, since we will be freed from all those pesky low level workers, [erha[s the indigenous work force will not need so much education to enable them to perform the myriad jobs they did.

 

PH

Sounds like an announcement from some ONE strangely absent recently. 

[transam]

20 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Awkward truths often get brushed aside, replaced by nebulous slogans. At least now we can strike off 'taking back control' or 'regaining sovereignty' from the rapidly shrinking list of intangible Brexit benefits. 

Oh sorry, I thought it was going to say Scottish independence at the end.....????

[tomacht8]

23 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

But you did not address his post at all.  A reply at a complete tangent is worse than no reply at all.

 

I was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that this was a discussion board.

 

PH

The days of an informative form of discussion are unfortunately over.

I tried to supply as many sources as possible at the beginning of Bexit. Back then I put a lot of effort into translating sources from other countries and the perspective of others.

 

Forget any analytical, intellectual, fact-based discussion here. I used to find several interesting Pro Brexit voices in TV every day that were also able to reflect. The only thing left now, are the same screaming necks from the same Brexit slogans. It is tiring to correct the same lies, half-truths or one-dimensional splinters of thought.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I would suggest that the corruption in parliament stinks to high heaven at the moment, but there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. The sad thing is that for those enslaved to the cult of Brexit, they are willing to see so much lost, so much stolen and so much destroyed just so they can see their dream of leaving the EU. 

 

Your brexit will very quickly taste like ashes in your mouth as you wake up to the damage YOU have done. One day soon you will be a very much smaller and much more isolated little insignificant country, at the mercy of every venture capitalist friend of Johnson and his cronies. 

Blimey, as if there was less corruption before, during and post referendum under the remain dominated HoC!

 

What a load of accusatory, hocus-pocus, twaddle, with more Project Fear mixed in for bad measure.

[Phulublub]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Sounds like an announcement from some ONE strangely absent recently. 

Would you care to explain as I have NO idea what on earth you are trying to say.

 

PH

[7by7]

19 hours ago, evadgib said:

19 hours ago, 7by7 said:

No answer to the question from you; again!

 

Which means the only conclusion is that your have no point.

There wasn't one!

 So you admit that your posts on this are pointless!

 

Still, you feel you've achieved something; which is so sad.

 

[Phulublub]

34 minutes ago, transam said:

Very funny, very funny, the biggest assumption of the day....Well done...

What assumption?  How is this funny?

 

http://www.farmbusiness.co.uk/news/minister-claims-unintended-consequences-as-agriculture-bill-import-standards-amendment-is-defeated.html#:~:text=amendment is defeated-,Minister claims 'unintended consequences' as Agriculture Bill,import standards amendment is defeated&text=Farming Minister Victoria Prentis claimed,amendment to the Agriculture Bill

 

By not restricting imports we lay the population open to eating usnafe prodcuts.  We also risk driving swathes of farmers out of business as they cannot compete with cheaper produced products.

 

One of the defeated amendments was from the E, F and RA Committee, not some deranged far left loon...

 

tabled by the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee, would require imported products to produced or processed according to standards ‘which are equivalent to, or which exceed, the relevant domestic standards and regulations’ in relation to animal health and welfare, plant health, and environmental protection.

 

Surely, in "taking back control" we would wish to be able to control the standards to which our imported foods are produced? 

 

PH

[7by7]

18 hours ago, kingdong said:

didn,t know picking turnips was a skilled job,why don,t you give it a rest,you,re getting boring and it isn,t going to change the fact....we,re leaving.

 So according to you the skill level required to pick turnips is equal to that required for the occupations I was posting about: bricklayers, carpenters, plumbers, electricians etc.. I suggest that you don't mention that in the presence of any time served tradesperson!

[7by7]

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

What I've said is that the EU steal the hard work of others and adopt it as their own.

No, since these matters came under the purview of the EU, member states or the commission propose such legislation and it is then democratically approved or rejected either in the European Parliament or the Council of Ministers.

 

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

The right to return goods is fine if they are faulty at purchase - that's it. 

There are many who would disagree and cherish the right to change their mind.

 

But we all know you hate that right.

 

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

You are just a  hapless, hopeless troll.

The standard Brexiteer response when you have no response to another's argument or are presented with facts which you can't counter!

 

But if I am a troll, then why do you feed me? You're still doing it further on in this topic!

[7by7]

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

Nobody voted for a say on the final deal.

Except for the 53% of voters who did so last December!

[7by7]

11 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

My point is that Cummings has an undue influence over the Prime Minister

And all other political leaders around the world aren't guided in the same manner???? Get over it.

 All politicians, leaders or not, have appointed advisors.

 

But how many politicians, especially leaders, have advisors whose influence over them is so great that their elected colleagues are as concerned about it as Tory Backbenchers are over Cummings?

 

How many of those advisors sacked a Cabinet Minister's advisor without reference to the Minister concerned, and was allowed by the Prime Minister to get away with it?

 

That's just two examples.

[7by7]

9 hours ago, transam said:

????......You most definitely are struggling, you have for over 4 years been blustering your stuff here and got absolutely nowhere. You lost, the voting populace won......????

 

For me the one benefit I wanted was to get the UK out of the clutches of the Eurocrats, I got my wish.

As for any other benefits that may or may not happen, well that is for the future to see, not you, not me, to speculate on.

A new beginning for the UK without being told what to do by folk with different attitudes....

 

You remind me of Corbyns brother Piers, and that's a compliment....????

 

More sloganising and excuses from you. Just as expected.

 

You talk about 'the clutches of the Eurocrats' but it is obvious from your four years of evasion that you have no idea how the EU works and never did. 

 

What detriments did those 'clutches' bring to the UK? How did we suffer from them? What advantages will we enjoy now we are free of them?

 

There you are, another three questions for you to dodge and ignore. I expect your usual childish insult instead.

[Rookiescot]

 

I will just leave this here.

[evadgib]

9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 All politicians, leaders or not, have appointed advisors.

 

But how many politicians, especially leaders, have advisors whose influence over them is so great that their elected colleagues are as concerned about it as Tory Backbenchers are over Cummings?

 

How many of those advisors sacked a Cabinet Minister's advisor without reference to the Minister concerned, and was allowed by the Prime Minister to get away with it?

 

That's just two examples.

It's called draining the swamp 49 & works a bit like you with the report button ????

Edited July 21, 2020 by evadgib

[7by7]

9 hours ago, transam said:

"Yes, a majority of 80, however...........................".

More 'twisting' assumptions.

Not 'twisting assumptions' at all; those percentages are facts and easily checked.

 

9 hours ago, transam said:

So now you use C19, I wonder what else you will dig up that will still leave you crying in your beer.......Quite funny really, 49..

I use the dissatisfaction of Tory backbenchers over Johnson's handling of the pandemic as an example as it shows how he is a one issue PM; Brexit. And as I also said, he can't even satisfy his own back benchers on that!

 

He and Cummings want May's deal with a few tweaks. You remember that deal, the one you Brexiteers refer to as BRINO and treacherous betrayal of the voters.

 

That, at best, is what Johnson will get you.

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

Perhaps you could address his major concern.  Are you content that the UK will allow foodstuffs to be imported that are produced using lower standards than UK based producers are subject to?

 

PH

my guess is that that is happening on a large scale

and that it has been going on for years and that it will continue

 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, transam said:

All you remain lot would be very quite if the Brexit vote was to remain. All the cr_p you have come up with about the voting etc would be shoved under "your" carpet.....

 

And I bet you all voted even knowing about your question about "Deal or no Deal" which was not on the voting form but bring it up after the event...............Hypocrites....

 

Then we have the EU posters who are incredibly worried about their taxes going up, even now the EU cannot agree on a "Step Forward" budget without the UK...Your woe sticks out a mile....

 

consume a handfull of small pink ones, of the rounded kind

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Not 'twisting assumptions' at all; those percentages are facts and easily checked.

 

I use the dissatisfaction of Tory backbenchers over Johnson's handling of the pandemic as an example as it shows how he is a one issue PM; Brexit. And as I also said, he can't even satisfy his own back benchers on that!

 

He and Cummings want May's deal with a few tweaks. You remember that deal, the one you Brexiteers refer to as BRINO and treacherous betrayal of the voters.

 

That, at best, is what Johnson will get you.

Johnson wants Mays deal but with ALL the compromises made to the EU removed.

The EU is never going to accept that.

Ergo we will be leaving with no deal.

The only thing that will be agreed upon is EU access to UK fishing waters in exchange for passporting rights for the City of London financial services. 

[7by7]

8 hours ago, Xaos said:

Im from EU, applied for UK settled status and got it, but I dont understand what regular Joe gets from brexit? 

Harder to travel, study, work, retire, use hospitals, on top all trade deals, propabely things will become more expensive in UK etc... Whats in it for a common folk? 

 

https://www.what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/home

What's in it for the common folk?  Nothing.

 

It may have escaped your notice, but the vast majority of Brexiteers on this forum don't live in the UK.

 

Whereas many who do actually live here in the UK who voted Leave in 2016 have come to realise that they were lied to. As shown by the 53% of voters who said in last December's election we want a say on the final deal.

 

A say that Cummings and his puppet have now even denied Parliament!

[7by7]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

"Our brave defenders of UK sovereignty"! What a larf.

You have failed to comprehend that  he was talking about your heroes; Johnson and Cummings!

 

It is they who have removed Parliament's ability to vote on this issue. 

 

With their 80 seat majority one has to wonder why; could it be because they know Tory backbench support for them and so that majority is rapidly dwindling?

 

It's not a laugh; it's a tragedy!