U.S. Supreme Court rebuffs Trump's immunity claim, lets prosecutor get financial records

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Nothing but a political stunt to get at Tax Returns so they can point to something in them and say what he did was unethical or illegal.  They did the same to Romney when the say he had a Cayman Islands account.  Such an account is neither illegal nor does it provide any tax benefits but that is how the left spun it.  They never want Trump to pursue his agenda.  Their strategy is to occupy him by keeping him embroiled in fake controversies like the Russian Collusion, or his relationship with a porn star. 

You need to take that up with the Conservative SCOTUS judges who voted against the President.

[newnative]

    Almost certainly the records will show he's a lying crook who swindled individuals and governments and, unfortunately, almost certainly it will matter not a bit to his followers.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, newnative said:

    Almost certainly the records will show he's a lying crook who swindled individuals and governments and, unfortunately, almost certainly it will matter not a bit to his followers.

Agree, but it may have legal consequences.

[newnative]

32 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Agree, but it may have legal consequences.

Let's hope so.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Nothing but a political stunt to get at Tax Returns so they can point to something in them and say what he did was unethical or illegal.  

If those damn radical leftist libs would just sit down and shut up and if those rouge judges on the bench would just play ball and rubber stamp that hot mess then Trump would get his way. The Donald will not show his taxes and he is POTUS...it comes with wanting the job and every other candidate whether they are democrat republican or independent goes along with it because it is important to know they are in check with the law and are not being compromised, blackmailed or just a criminal outright. When Trump was after Obama to show his birth certificate (talk about a political stunt), Obama did it and didnt take it to the SCOTUS and WASTE THEIR TIME! He showed the documents and got on with it. Trump said he would divulge his taxes and then strung it out until he got elected. (How about that for "Promises Made...Promises Kept" BS that he spews at the MAGA?) Now he has a porn queen on the cooked books and a rat lawyer in jail and MAGA is backing that BS. How does the religious right go along with this stuff anyhow? 

 

There is no justifiable reason for him to not show his taxes to all of us, right, left and indy unless he is hiding something. 

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

How does the religious right go along with this stuff anyhow?

well believers in fairy tales support a nightmare.

 

[wwest5829]

8 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

I'm hoping you are right, but the GOP has had 3 and a half years to actually grow a backbone, and that still seems to be in embryonic phase.

 

I remember one of my Senators, John Thune, after the access Hollywood tapes, called for Trump drop out and give the nomination to Pence.

 

After Trump was elected he just turned in a Trump cuckold. His silence on almost everything has been deafening.

 

So we'll see, but especially in the House most the GOP are terrified about saying anything that might alienate the Trump base

I have little hope for the Commonwealth of Kentucky. McConnell, Paul as Senators and now that the Governor has called for the wearing of masks ... far too many demanding their “right” over their own body and their right to die ... oh, they will not say that as it smacks of agreeing with those of us liberals who support the same ... as regards abortion rights. The American Southeast, lowest region in education and arguably highest in ignorance and pride ...

[wwest5829]

5 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

No one IS immune.  There is this government agency called the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) that audits and verifies everyones tax return.  Including presidents, senators, etc.  Trumps are sent into the same organization as everyone else's.  

And the IRS is forbidden to disclose tax information (unless under a court ordered subpoena) and the IarS is under which branch of the government (as is all law enforcement)?

[dunroaming]

12 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Yeah, but it gives the left so much hope.  Every other avenue they've tried has failed so maybe, just maybe, this will be their 'golden goose' to nail Trump.  Please, Kelsall, don't take away the left's hopes and fairy dreams.  That's cruel.

They did use to call Trump "Teflon Don" because they couldn't get anything to stick to him.  We all know he is a bottom feeding conman but proving it is often the difficult bit.

[jimmybcool]

10 hours ago, dunroaming said:

They did use to call Trump "Teflon Don" because they couldn't get anything to stick to him.  We all know he is a bottom feeding conman but proving it is often the difficult bit.

Wasn't Clinton nicknamed Teflon Bill?

 

Oh and I see Trumps tax returns right over there.  Beneath Obamas college records and Kerry's military records. ????

 

You all are too much.  Same old <deleted> every year and yet people fall for it.

 

 

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed. 

[i84teen]

This trump tax return gong show will likely drag on for years, well after he's reelected in Nov, and nobody will get them unless they are leaked.

Trump was a millionaire/billionaire prior to assuming public office whereas the shumers, clintons, bidens, pelosis, obamas, etc became millionaires AFTER taking public office and I would much rather have a look at those tax returns any day!

 

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, i84teen said:

This trump tax return gong show will likely drag on for years, well after he's reelected in Nov, and nobody will get them unless they are leaked.

Trump was a millionaire/billionaire prior to assuming public office whereas the shumers, clintons, bidens, pelosis, obamas, etc became millionaires AFTER taking public office and I would much rather have a look at those tax returns any day!

 

Clintons already provided theirs. Obama provided his. Biden is not president, yet.

 

Trump said its a witch hunt, a hoax, and no president has been treated so badly by the supreme court.

 

Yet mcenany said it was a victory for trump. So which was it?

[winslowsjardine]

1 hour ago, i84teen said:

This trump tax return gong show will likely drag on for years, well after he's reelected in Nov, and nobody will get them unless they are leaked.

Trump was a millionaire/billionaire prior to assuming public office whereas the shumers, clintons, bidens, pelosis, obamas, etc became millionaires AFTER taking public office and I would much rather have a look at those tax returns any day!

 

No you wouldn't rather take a look. Because if you wanted to, you could have.

The Clintons and Bidens released their tax returns. What's stopping you from looking at them?

Shumer actually has a link to his tax return.

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Schumer Federal Return.Tax Year 2018.pdf

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, i84teen said:

Trump was a millionaire/billionaire prior to assuming public office

are you sure, do you have data to support that or is it from Trump gang say so people? if that is the case let's see his tax returns, the guy has 5-6  bankruptcies... a heck of a business man thanks to his father's money

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, i84teen said:

This trump tax return gong show will likely drag on for years, well after he's reelected in Nov, and nobody will get them unless they are leaked.

Trump was a millionaire/billionaire prior to assuming public office whereas the shumers, clintons, bidens, pelosis, obamas, etc became millionaires AFTER taking public office and I would much rather have a look at those tax returns any day!

 

2/3 of Americans disapprove of 45s response to the pandemic. 

Sorry to break this to you buddy but he will lose. 

Then he will be fully legally exposed. 

45 is not running to help the country. 

He's running to keep his fat presidential butt out of prison. 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Jingthing

[tomacht8]

Incredible.

Everyone has to disclose their tax documents if the strong arm of the tax authorities so requires.

What is so bad about it?

It's a normal process.

And it is particularly important for government officials and politicians to guarantee independence from third parties. Trump is nothing more than an employee of the US population.

How, if not through an audit, the population can check that he does not enrich himself in office, accepts bribes for the benefit of other states and adheres himself to tax laws to avert disadvantages and damage to the population for the benefit of the people who he work for as an employer.

 

The United States is degenerating into a muppet show, where even the most highest ranging civil servants shiiiiting on the legal system, moral and decency.

[RJRS1301]

He is hardly going to declare any dubious income, it would be "laundered" through the golf clubs and any family company. I am sure lifetime memberships to the clubs and the hotel clubs are not inexpensive, and leasing condos well now there is a chance to launder

 

 

[i84teen]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

are you sure, do you have data to support that or is it from Trump gang say so people? if that is the case let's see his tax returns, the guy has 5-6  bankruptcies... a heck of a business man thanks to his father's money

Not sure if he's attained billionaire status but looking at these articles he may well in fact be one:

 

FEC Disclosures 

In May 2016, Trump released his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) form with the Federal Election Commission. In true Trump fashion, he was quick to let everyone know. “I filed my PFD, which I am proud to say is the largest in the history of the FEC," Trump said.¹

The PFD revealed Trump had:

• At least $1.4 billion in assets, including several golf courses and real estate properties valued at more than $50 million.⁴ 
• Over $300 million in income from the golf courses and resorts.⁴
• Over $100 million in rental income and sales from his property.⁴
• Between $25 million and $50 million parked in BlackRock's Obsidian fund.⁵
• At least $250 million in liabilities on Trump Tower, 40 Wall Street, Trump National Doral and Trump Old Post Office.⁶

Forbes Estimate 

Forbes has shaved $1 billion from from Donald Trump's net worth as the economic impact of coronavirus takes a toll on his property empire. As of April 2020, Forbes estimated his assets at $2.1 billion, compared with $3.1 billion in October 2019 and $4.5 billion in September 2015.⁷ In particular, Forbes said Trump's 125,000 square feet of prime real estate near Fifth Avenue in Manhattan was taking a hit. Also, it marked down the value of his residential properties, noting stocks of publicly listed apartment owners had dropped by a third.⁸

Fortune Estimate 

In May 2016, Fortune magazine estimated Trump was worth $3.9 billion, up from $3.7 billion in 2015. Fortune said the revenue listed in his personal financial disclosure did not fit the net worth of someone with $10 billion. However, the magazine believed the 2016 presidential campaign had a positive effect on his finances. "Rather than damaging his brand, Trump’s notoriety appears to be boosting his business, and making him even wealthier. By our best calculations, Trump’s net worth has indeed grown over the 10 months since the last filing," Fortune said.⁹

Bloomberg Estimate 

The Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimated Trump to be worth $2.97 billion as of April 2020, a notch lower from the $3.02 billion it estimated at the start of his presidency.¹⁰ While Trump has estimated his brand to be worth $3.3 billion, Bloomberg did not put much stock in the figure. It valued his brand at just $35 million.¹¹

The Bottom Line 

Whether it's less than $3 billion or more than $10 billion, as he claims, it's safe to assume he is a billionaire, so the exact amount doesn't really matter. However, Trump campaigned for the presidency on the size of his wealth. When announcing his presidential bid, Trump said: "I'm using my own money. I'm not using the lobbyists. I'm not using donors. I don't care. I'm really rich. And by the way, I'm not even saying that's the kind of mindset, that's the kind of thinking you need for this country. So, because we got to make the country rich."¹² 

 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-net-worth/

I rest me case.

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by i84teen

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, i84teen said:

Not sure if he's attained billionaire status but looking at these articles he may well in fact be one:

 

FEC Disclosures 

In May 2016, Trump released his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) form with the Federal Election Commission. In true Trump fashion, he was quick to let everyone know. “I filed my PFD, which I am proud to say is the largest in the history of the FEC," Trump said.¹

The PFD revealed Trump had:

• At least $1.4 billion in assets, including several golf courses and real estate properties valued at more than $50 million.⁴ 
• Over $300 million in income from the golf courses and resorts.⁴
• Over $100 million in rental income and sales from his property.⁴
• Between $25 million and $50 million parked in BlackRock's Obsidian fund.⁵
• At least $250 million in liabilities on Trump Tower, 40 Wall Street, Trump National Doral and Trump Old Post Office.⁶

Forbes Estimate 

Forbes has shaved $1 billion from from Donald Trump's net worth as the economic impact of coronavirus takes a toll on his property empire. As of April 2020, Forbes estimated his assets at $2.1 billion, compared with $3.1 billion in October 2019 and $4.5 billion in September 2015.⁷ In particular, Forbes said Trump's 125,000 square feet of prime real estate near Fifth Avenue in Manhattan was taking a hit. Also, it marked down the value of his residential properties, noting stocks of publicly listed apartment owners had dropped by a third.⁸

Fortune Estimate 

In May 2016, Fortune magazine estimated Trump was worth $3.9 billion, up from $3.7 billion in 2015. Fortune said the revenue listed in his personal financial disclosure did not fit the net worth of someone with $10 billion. However, the magazine believed the 2016 presidential campaign had a positive effect on his finances. "Rather than damaging his brand, Trump’s notoriety appears to be boosting his business, and making him even wealthier. By our best calculations, Trump’s net worth has indeed grown over the 10 months since the last filing," Fortune said.⁹

Bloomberg Estimate 

The Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimated Trump to be worth $2.97 billion as of April 2020, a notch lower from the $3.02 billion it estimated at the start of his presidency.¹⁰ While Trump has estimated his brand to be worth $3.3 billion, Bloomberg did not put much stock in the figure. It valued his brand at just $35 million.¹¹

The Bottom Line 

Whether it's less than $3 billion or more than $10 billion, as he claims, it's safe to assume he is a billionaire, so the exact amount doesn't really matter. However, Trump campaigned for the presidency on the size of his wealth. When announcing his presidential bid, Trump said: "I'm using my own money. I'm not using the lobbyists. I'm not using donors. I don't care. I'm really rich. And by the way, I'm not even saying that's the kind of mindset, that's the kind of thinking you need for this country. So, because we got to make the country rich."¹² 

 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-net-worth/

I rest me case.

 

Looking forward to your information on Trump loans with Deutsche Bank.

[Phoenix Rising]

'Judge Napolitano Schools Fox News on Trump's SCOTUS ‘Defeat’'

 

“The truth here is this is a big defeat for Trump,” noting that the court “rejected the entire premise” of the president’s defense in the case. “What the Supreme Court said in sending this back is unambiguous,” he added, “which is that Trump is going to see these things released to prosecutors and it’s not going to take that long because they’re ready to go.”  

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, i84teen said:

Not sure if he's attained billionaire status but looking at these articles he may well in fact be one:

 

FEC Disclosures 

In May 2016, Trump released his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) form with the Federal Election Commission. In true Trump fashion, he was quick to let everyone know. “I filed my PFD, which I am proud to say is the largest in the history of the FEC," Trump said.¹

The PFD revealed Trump had:

• At least $1.4 billion in assets, including several golf courses and real estate properties valued at more than $50 million.⁴ 
• Over $300 million in income from the golf courses and resorts.⁴
• Over $100 million in rental income and sales from his property.⁴
• Between $25 million and $50 million parked in BlackRock's Obsidian fund.⁵
• At least $250 million in liabilities on Trump Tower, 40 Wall Street, Trump National Doral and Trump Old Post Office.⁶

Forbes Estimate 

Forbes has shaved $1 billion from from Donald Trump's net worth as the economic impact of coronavirus takes a toll on his property empire. As of April 2020, Forbes estimated his assets at $2.1 billion, compared with $3.1 billion in October 2019 and $4.5 billion in September 2015.⁷ In particular, Forbes said Trump's 125,000 square feet of prime real estate near Fifth Avenue in Manhattan was taking a hit. Also, it marked down the value of his residential properties, noting stocks of publicly listed apartment owners had dropped by a third.⁸

Fortune Estimate 

In May 2016, Fortune magazine estimated Trump was worth $3.9 billion, up from $3.7 billion in 2015. Fortune said the revenue listed in his personal financial disclosure did not fit the net worth of someone with $10 billion. However, the magazine believed the 2016 presidential campaign had a positive effect on his finances. "Rather than damaging his brand, Trump’s notoriety appears to be boosting his business, and making him even wealthier. By our best calculations, Trump’s net worth has indeed grown over the 10 months since the last filing," Fortune said.⁹

Bloomberg Estimate 

The Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimated Trump to be worth $2.97 billion as of April 2020, a notch lower from the $3.02 billion it estimated at the start of his presidency.¹⁰ While Trump has estimated his brand to be worth $3.3 billion, Bloomberg did not put much stock in the figure. It valued his brand at just $35 million.¹¹

The Bottom Line 

Whether it's less than $3 billion or more than $10 billion, as he claims, it's safe to assume he is a billionaire, so the exact amount doesn't really matter. However, Trump campaigned for the presidency on the size of his wealth. When announcing his presidential bid, Trump said: "I'm using my own money. I'm not using the lobbyists. I'm not using donors. I don't care. I'm really rich. And by the way, I'm not even saying that's the kind of mindset, that's the kind of thinking you need for this country. So, because we got to make the country rich."¹² 

 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-net-worth/

I rest me case.

 

how many of them are used as collateral for each other, what's the % owned by banks/lenders (read @stevenl post#80 ) ..... cash on hand????

case closed then,  no need to supply tax returns 555

Edited July 11, 2020 by Mavideol

[i84teen]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

how many of them are used as collateral for each other, what's the % owned by banks/lenders (read @stevenl post#80 ) ..... cash on hand????

case closed then,  no need to supply tax returns 555

"case closed then,  no need to supply tax returns 555"

U don't like when you get schooled. Laughs on u ...nice try for the gotcha. Must suck be so stuck in hate/rage-ville.

Edited July 11, 2020 by i84teen

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/10/2020 at 11:23 AM, Tippaporn said:

Yeah, but it gives the left so much hope.  Every other avenue they've tried has failed so maybe, just maybe, this will be their 'golden goose' to nail Trump.  Please, Kelsall, don't take away the left's hopes and fairy dreams.  That's cruel.

Quite right too. They need something to cling to, given the catastrophe that is Biden.

Sadly for them, the returns won't be making any difference to the election, but expect another witch hunt after the election when they claim he's hidden the "bad stuff" they can't find in the returns. Frankly, if Trump was so stupid as to put evidence of wrong doing on documents subject to government audit he deserves to be arrested for it.

Far as I'm concerned if the government tax auditors couldn't find anything it's because there is nothing to find.

However, I hope the usual suspects keep harping on about it as we all need entertainment in these dark days.

[winslowsjardine]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Quite right too. They need something to cling to, given the catastrophe that is Biden.

Sadly for them, the returns won't be making any difference to the election, but expect another witch hunt after the election when they claim he's hidden the "bad stuff" they can't find in the returns. Frankly, if Trump was so stupid as to put evidence of wrong doing on documents subject to government audit he deserves to be arrested for it.

Far as I'm concerned if the government tax auditors couldn't find anything it's because there is nothing to find.

However, I hope the usual suspects keep harping on about it as we all need entertainment in these dark days.

Stuff from publics documents already found. Trump gave differing figures to banks and to tax authorities. Either he's committed fraud or tax evasion.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, winslowsjardine said:

Stuff from publics documents already found. Trump gave differing figures to banks and to tax authorities. Either he's committed fraud or tax evasion.

You trying to tell us that Trump did his own tax return?

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

2/3 of Americans disapprove of 45s response to the pandemic. 

Sorry to break this to you buddy but he will lose. 

Then he will be fully legally exposed. 

45 is not running to help the country. 

He's running to keep his fat presidential butt out of prison. 

Dreaming!

 

If I were to play devil's advocate and say that Trump was in fact a crook and had done bad things that were able to be found, all he'd have to do after losing to escape justice would be to hop on a private jet and fly off to Russia where his bestest buddy Putin would have a fine dacha waiting for him where he could see out his last years in luxury.

[Jingthing]

38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Dreaming!

 

If I were to play devil's advocate and say that Trump was in fact a crook and had done bad things that were able to be found, all he'd have to do after losing to escape justice would be to hop on a private jet and fly off to Russia where his bestest buddy Putin would have a fine dacha waiting for him where he could see out his last years in luxury.

He doesn't seem the expat type. Cheeseburgers in Japan for him. 

[Tug]

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Dreaming!

 

If I were to play devil's advocate and say that Trump was in fact a crook and had done bad things that were able to be found, all he'd have to do after losing to escape justice would be to hop on a private jet and fly off to Russia where his bestest buddy Putin would have a fine dacha waiting for him where he could see out his last years in luxury.

Oh I disagree lol trump will have served his purpose he would become an embarrassment and liability to his comrad Putin more likely he would end up in the Lubyanka prison basement with a bullet in his skull after beeing mined for all the information he has to offer nope trumps only hope is to rigg the election again otherwise he will face exposure once the mantle of potus is stripped off him he’s toast 

[jimmybcool]

8 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Incredible.

Everyone has to disclose their tax documents if the strong arm of the tax authorities so requires.

What is so bad about it?

It's a normal process.

And it is particularly important for government officials and politicians to guarantee independence from third parties. Trump is nothing more than an employee of the US population.

How, if not through an audit, the population can check that he does not enrich himself in office, accepts bribes for the benefit of other states and adheres himself to tax laws to avert disadvantages and damage to the population for the benefit of the people who he work for as an employer.

 

The United States is degenerating into a muppet show, where even the most highest ranging civil servants shiiiiting on the legal system, moral and decency.

But this isn't the IRS asking him.  They already have them and one has to assume in his tax bracket audit them every year.  It is his political opponents asking for them so they can sift through with a fine toothed comb and find ANYTHING that could be spun as illegal or unethical.  Just as they have done over and over again with other issues.  Like the latest bogus assault about Russians putting bounties on our troops.  Or the original Russian collusion.  

 

But heck, I'm OK with he being forced to show them.  Just so long as we understand it goes both ways.  I want to see Biden's sons returns.  I want Obamas college transcripts opened up.  Kerry's military records unsealed.  If we are going to seriously do due diligence on Trump open it wide up.  And let's have a serious inquiry into Hillary's use of a private server, and Benghazi........

 

The funniest thing in all this is the right wingers who thought Hillary would go to jail.  And now the left wingers think Trump is going to jail.  ????????